MB:124 with Cody Jimenez

Gill hangs out with Cody Jimenez, artist and father.  His solo show “Efferverence” now on view at @brandlibrary email: codyjart@icloud.com | codyjimenez.bigcartel.com

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Transcript

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Cody hey what's up man hello how you doing I'm doing good yeah thanks for coming out and doing the podcast of
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course thanks for the invite no worries pretty cool uh have you done anything like this before uh not to the this
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extent I've done like a podcast for my author friend okay it has like uh she
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runs like a small sort of online publishing thing
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um she just gathers submissions and picks some things and does like an online magazine oh sweet small podcast
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okay um so she like artists submit
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to to go on to the show or how does that work writers okay so authors for like
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sci-fi and fantasy um books or I guess short stories really
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um but she takes those submissions and then publishes them online monthly uh just nothing crazy in length but like
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captivating short stories pull the mic a little bit closer too there we go right here yeah okay that's good yeah uh so
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yeah and then she has like one artist that she features and then uh artist for the cover I believe oh okay yeah were
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you on the cover of that one uh I was just a featured artist so you had like a few images do you remember do you know the name of
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the magazine no no if it pops in your head throughout the show yeah let me know but thanks for coming out you're
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out from um Fullerton yeah yeah I've been in Fullerton now for like six months or so
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okay yeah I've been all around Southern California for
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about eight years now oh okay so I've been out here for eight years where are
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you from originally um originally uh Texas but I grew up in
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New Mexico oh really yeah okay when did you move out to New Mexico uh when I was
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in fifth grade whatever age that is uh like what like 12 11 something like that
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right I have a daughter she's seven she's in sixth grade now so okay 11 I think wow what city in Texas are you
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from um yeah just kind of a few different areas I moved around a lot okay good so
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um me too yeah yeah so it's it's I don't know the city where my grandma lived which is Crystal City Texas
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um not sure no one probably knows where that is I just know where Houston is Dallas and uh
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Austin yeah so it's like south of Austin yeah okay so just that part of Texas like between there and Austin like San
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Antonio Austin there so yeah it's a majority of your youth you were out in
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uh New Mexico yeah yeah I consider that's where I grew up just because I
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think that's like the formative years where you really find out who you are I
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guess and kind of your what you like is that age and everything where you
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develop so you're a badass painter dude thank you that's nice very good
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uh is that where you first picked up a brush yeah um I think like like most artists
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everybody kind of like Drew in sketchbooks or in class and stuff um in high school I got really into the
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idea of like being an illustrator for Comics um okay there was I don't know if you
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know the comic book 30 Days of Night it was
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like this uh kind of it's not super small but it's uh it was made into a
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movie in like 2000 six oh something like that um it the
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movie didn't do very well the comic is really cool it's by Steve Niles and this artist Ben templesmith the artwork
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really captivated me I was like I was like into like metal music and darker
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music and stuff in high school still am but like cool yeah it looks it looks pretty dark yeah it's like very just
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grim and like gritty um but I really fell in love with Ben Temple Smith and I followed his like
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what he was doing after that and he started writing his own comics and making his own Comics
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um I didn't exactly do that but I just like that idea that he could do his own thing
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um and then uh from there I was just trying to pursue that at 1718
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um unsuccessfully but that's where I was like oh maybe this can be a career and then in my first
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year of undergraduate school uh just out of state school in New Mexico nothing fancy it's like a small art Department
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that's where I started actually painting with oil paint I'm like oh this is what like feels natural and what I'm trying
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to do with watercolor which I wasn't really achieving with that medium with oil paint it just made sense so first
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you you started oil painting and then moved to to water uh watercolor first
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watercolor first okay and then just because that's what I had access to and that's like
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I didn't know oil paint was a thing like I was just like oh there's watercolors and markers and color pencils and that's
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it and uh yeah so oil painting I I discovered and took a
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class on in college my first year and that's where it all kind of like I got
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my foundations of like just knowing what it is and like how to prep surfaces and
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things like that like very basic stuff so what's the difference between oil and water
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um so the watercolor sometimes you have to talk to me like I'm a two-year-old sometimes I just wanna I'm yeah I'm see
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I've been doing like painting since like a since I've been 18 so it's like it's
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just second nature for me to say so it makes sense yeah yeah it's very yeah um but oil paint is just uh pigment
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suspended in literal oil so like usually like a linseed oil which I don't you ask
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me what linseed is I don't know it's just I know that's what it's yeah um and uh so it's just suspended in that
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and basically it has more malleability you can move it around a lot more it has
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more working time watercolor is usually used on paper and kind of absorbs into
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the paper you can do it on canvas too but it's just kind of very just use water to thin it out and oil paint is
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only thinned out with like a a medium of but isn't water uh mineral spirits which
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I don't know what mineral spirits is but it's toxic so it's okay not water yeah you definitely don't want to drink that
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right not at all my mom oil paints oh yeah yeah yeah yeah it's a it's it can
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be messy and it's involved and there's a lot to it um which I think is why I didn't know about that as a kid because it's just
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like watercolor water you get it from the sink yeah simple yeah I like the smell of it though it's pretty I know
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it's it's probably not good of the oil paint yeah the oil paint does smell good
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but it's like the mediums you have to worry about okay like the things that you clean your brushes with that's like
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the stuff that can be toxic so yeah so besides um water and oil there's is there any
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other type of paint yeah yeah there's there's acrylic which is uh pigment
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suspended in gum arabic I think is what it is it's basically when it drops eyes
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it kind of dries like plastic oh okay it's like you can get that you can even get acrylic paints that are like Walmart
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and stuff and yeah so some of the yeah like when I look at some canvas
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paintings they have like some like texture like thick hard texture to it is
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that is that acrylic that can be yeah sometimes I mean usually what you see in
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museums where it's like really thick paint it it can be acrylic but most of the time
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it's oil paint um so it just depends I don't know it's it's hard to tell sometimes sometimes
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it's really obvious if it's like very uh just Lush I guess versus like kind of
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plastic looking okay um sometimes there there's you can hardly tell the difference so so a lot
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of that technology of like developing the paint and stuff has come a long way where like I I know like my professor in undergrad
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um had talked about like he didn't like the look of acrylic paints but wait why
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didn't he like him there's just like a plasticity to it and it just doesn't have the same look to oil paints
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generally okay but if you work with it
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enough and you understand how to achieve what you want to achieve right manipulate it a little bit yeah it's
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it's so comparable now if you know what you're doing yeah you can get it to look like oil paints
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um there's a lot of stuff where it it can get the look of it it won't be a hundred percent but it'll be like
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92 percent or something like that close to it there's like a few things that you can't exactly do what you do in oil
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paint and acrylic but you can get pretty close oh okay yeah there's there's a lot of paint nerdy things sounds like a lot
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of nuances with that yeah yeah yeah well I mean if you've been doing it for as long as you have you you kind of get all
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the hang of it right yeah yeah it's it's uh I I obsessed over it once I started
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painting and like got really probably obnoxious about it yeah and now I'm just
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like whatever use whatever but I think that's like as a creative person you get
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very obsessive about an art like about at least for me I mean uh I get
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obsessive about you know one thing then I'm like if I'm editing a video or if
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I'm doing a podcast or or something I become very obsessed like I I get very
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OCD and that's all I want to think about that's all I want to talk about that's that's all I want is search on YouTube
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search on Google yeah yeah like these mics and stuff I'm I'm very much into audio stuff okay it's like more on on
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the music side of things but okay well it's just like oh really going down that rabbit hole of like all the gear and
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like the cables and like why these are better than that and then there goes like five hours of like just searching
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like cables five hours five days I I haven't even seen Amber to check in on
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her if she's okay so I just get the nicest looking ones I'm like all right these look nice yeah well there's a lot
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more to to go into that I know besides them looking nice and everything
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but my my craft is food so okay yes yeah I get I get you guys okay you guys her
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art form yeah she makes the food and I eat all of it nice as you can as we can
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tell but um besides you know painting uh and do doing what you do do you ever do
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you go out and and go check out uh art shows yeah I
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I feel like I haven't lately so typically I do okay
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um I I actually just started and not just started like a year and a half ago
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started working at a gallery oh cool Los Angeles called thinkspace projects um
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I used to go there all the time and then a few other Gallery openings and things like that and there's a lot of artists
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that I follow that I like have loved since I moved out here and before so I make sure to like go to what shows I can
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um but now that I work at think space like I'm there I work the openings there
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um what are openings my friend was telling me about some openings and and I I didn't really get into asking them
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yeah it's like shorthand for like an opening reception of a new exit exhibit
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basically so like another show like think space projects for example they
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have a show once a month so at the beginning the first Saturday typically uh they have a new show so a new lineup
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of artists new art on the walls and things like that and there's an opening reception and basically it's like come
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hang out like think space through it's basically a party like they're one of the other owners LC he DJs so he just
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has his DJ set up and just like blasts great music on night nice free beer free wine wow free water uh
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what is it liquid death free liquid death okay um so I have liquid death in the refrigerator if you want we're good
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I'm good okay thank you um but yeah it's they make a party out
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of it because okay they believe in art they believe in the artists and they just want everybody to be there and have
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a good time and remember it and things like that so it's like yeah and not a lot of galleries do it to that extent
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but other galleries do just have like more mild openings or just you know depending on
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what following the artist might have or whatever it ranges from like oh this is
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very mild to like oh this is a freaking party this is really fun that's cool I was gonna ask because I feel like like
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back in the day or at least when I was younger like I I like art a lot but seeing art galleries always felt very I
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don't want to use a word but like snobbish you know right like for just people of upper class and money and things like that so I think it's it for
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me it was very intimidating to really like art and be like immersive and going
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to galleries because I felt like like you had to have money to be like an art smell like what am I looking at you know
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what I mean like I felt like every time I was looking at something I had to find the meaning behind the painting or
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things like that and I feel like now things are changing right it's a lot more like open and inclusive and
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everything yeah yeah it definitely is I think like I mean I wasn't around especially like LA and stuff like
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um in the 80s and 90s when like art galleries were like very like
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selling painters that are just coming out like thousands and thousands of dollars and like it was kind of
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exclusive in that way but it still is to an extent I guess but it's a lot more open and just things are more
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open to everybody now and like almost anybody can have an art like Gallery if
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they can have the funds to like open a space and just invite friends and just
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make something of it and it's pretty cool in that way yeah it's more uh like now it's more achievable right like yeah
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yeah I think so it's always going to be hard to start any type of new business right in that sense but if if you can do
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it then yeah anybody yeah well if you if if yeah you know it makes total sense but if you become really obsessive about
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the thing you're doing I'm pretty sure you'll find you'll find a way to work yeah exactly have you been out to the
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Cheech in Riverside I haven't I should go out dude it's really cool I was there
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the opening weekend but I didn't have tickets to go in so I was just there
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hanging out a few of my friends were out oh nice like vending oh really like that that day it was like a big like almost
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like art walk but not on the typical first Thursday art walk out there okay
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it was just like a Saturday all-day event thing um but yeah I'd need to go in yeah it's
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it's really cool uh when was the last time we were out we went out there number do you remember it was a few
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months back like in October yeah and uh the reason why I ask you
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about the opening because my my A friend of mine has a bench that he painted in
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San Bernardino that was on uh Route 66 and they moved that bench into the
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Cheech yeah it's it's really awesome Adam Aguilar uh [ __ ] amazing he's uh
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we I've known him for many years and I'm just I'm really proud of him to for him
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to get that art piece in there and it's [ __ ] cool the though he posted it on his story see if you can pull up a
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picture of that um I I didn't know uh that you were able to sit on his bed
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because I haven't I haven't been out like I've seen it in pictures and I remember him you know painting it and stuff and um
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yeah you can like go there and you can just you can sit on the bench oh that's cool yeah yeah I didn't know that they
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they they're able to yeah yeah uh but yeah that's some of his
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stuff he he does uh like wood carvings and and uh lots of geometrical stuff yeah uh he's
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he's done the podcast too I don't see his bench on here oh there it is
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when I was out in the street out in the street chilling
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that's so cool but yeah I I um I asked him uh how long he's gonna keep
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it there but I guess I don't know if I can say this on the podcast but they moved that out uh
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they they moved it early for uh for an opening and he told me oh for an opening
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I was like oh yeah I was trying to make it seem like I knew what the hell he was talking about
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so now I know it's it's uh it's he's now he knows now I know why it's there but
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they're holding the space um but yeah it's uh it's right there I encourage everybody to go out to the
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Cheech and check it out yeah I need to I need to go a lot of my friends had stuff in that the opening like that
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first chunk of time I think they just changed over the whole exhibit from what
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I saw okay but I know like a few friends that had stuff in there which amazing do
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you know if they they uh they move stuff around and they they add pieces and and yeah I think the way it works is they're
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just kind of like the the permanent collection of things that they kind of just like rotate in and out that's
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usually how most museums operate is they have like a stash of artwork basically
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and then they just kind of plan programming around like say
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there's a certain theme they'll just pick and choose things work with that generally that's kind of how it works
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and then sometimes they'll like just curate other artwork from other museums
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or something or loan get stuff on loan from other places or artists to have another exhibition in there because I
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think that place probably has like a few different rooms yeah uh a few different
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rooms so they probably have like different exhibition opportunities in there see if you can pull up some
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artwork from uh the Cheech yeah uh yeah so it probably looks a lot
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different than October of last year then probably yeah I think I feel like it
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just changed over exhibitions I'm not 100 there we go the cheechboro center
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for Chicano art center Riverside Art Museum and it's pretty cool too yeah the architecture is really
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nice yeah it's really cool I the I think I have we got a shirt from that too yeah they said it was a library right library
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before yeah these are are here those were there before right when we went
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wait what does that say together we hope to bring every aspect of Chicano art to this
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region as well as the rest of the world we have something wonderful to give Cheech Marine
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and they said a lot of it is his collection like he owns yeah that's really cool he's a big like Chicano art
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collector which I didn't know until like maybe seven years ago or something okay
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and then I think the only reason I knew is because there was like an announcement of like this opening up or
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plans to open it up oh so it's been in the works for quite a while then I think so really I think so
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yeah dang yeah I didn't know about it until October of last year yeah
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uh but yeah these are the new exhibitions oh yeah they do they do change out quite a few Cheech collags
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permanent collection permanent collection Ah that's cool that's how they do it
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imagine having is that like uh the artist like dream maybe to to have like their
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own museum of artwork I don't know if it's what's your dream what's my dream yeah uh just to be able to create like
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what I want without having to worry about financial stuff just being comfortable like not being super rich or
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anything but just you know taking care of my daughter and like having a house or something
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um nothing crazy but I think it's I don't know some artists do want like
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to own a gallery or something like that I don't I don't know it's uh it's weird I haven't talked to too many people
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about like what they want to do with their like their ultimate end goal thing is but
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like for me it's just I wanna like I also play music and I want to just be able to
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write when I have ideas and I can just paint when I want to paint like there's there's been times where I
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have a day off and I just make them am able to make the most out of it everything lines up and then I can be
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like uh let me sketch this out and let me paint this out oh I have this idea let me go record this guitar thing
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really quick and then like okay I have that idea to finish that painting now so then let me go do that and then like
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it's just this whole day of just like that's awesome and it's just like those are like really really good days it
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feels good right at the end right yeah yeah creating something yeah yeah that's uh that's how I get with that even like
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with music too like I'm not the greatest guitar player I'm not the greatest singer but just
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putting something you know in in the laptop recording something in the
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computer and just playing back at it and yeah knowing that you got your idea out into the universe yeah because ideas
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leave yeah they do if you don't get them down yeah my my phone uh what is it
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audio Yeah recording is just full of like little like beats and rhythms that I have and just okay I'll hear something
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that'll get stuck in my head I'm like I better record this before I forget because I've done it plenty of times where it's like oh I remember that five
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minutes later I'm like I totally forgot yeah yeah no uh that is exactly that
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happens to me especially like when I like because I I like writing I like writing jokes and uh I get like a
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premise in my head or or something uh you know I I'm stuck in a certain
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situation throughout my day that I'm like you know what this could work this could be funny I I couldn't I can you
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know throw a this can be uh comical and I I have like a I have like a five page
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notes of just uh premises and and jokes that that I write throughout the day or
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you're just text me he'll text me something random and he's like it's for a joke yeah I won't respond to it yeah
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exactly we're at the comedy club uh last last Wednesday and uh yeah I'm constantly just like
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texting her or like even her sister was doing that too yeah yeah everybody in
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her family is a comedian we're all comedians yeah do you ever do you stand up uh I
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host a open mic in Paramount I do it once a month and it's uh it's a music
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open mic it's poetry it's comedy I throw in some of my jokes uh in between uh
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bringing in artists cool and I even I even get so many good ideas just uh off
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off the cuff not even thinking about it yeah yeah I think that's that's like a nice
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to like let that be open yeah you can just go with it like that's in painting
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it's I feel like I'm getting to that point now where I can just kind of like there's some idea in the moment I'm like oh this can work here instead of like I
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used to plan try to plan everything so meticulously and then just try and execute that and I lose these little
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moments along the way right it's like I could have not overworked something and it could have been really nice but then
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I kind of lost that in the moment yeah just kind of going with it I'm feel like I'm learning to just go with it and it's
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kind of nice to not be so rigid on that stuff yeah I I I think I I excel more in
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in that type of environment because of this like uh podcasting like there's no
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script yeah um you and I are just having a basic conversation just talking and I think
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I've used that skill and pushed it towards when I'm in front of an audience
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and it's it I don't know it it's coming becoming natural to me yeah that's good
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that's good that's terrifying to me yeah but also another thing too is like with
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even with Comics like that I've talked to uh and just thinking about it and
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um they they like I like I said five five minutes of material right
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and you like you like when I started practicing like I'm I'm reading it and I
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listen back to the audio and it sounds like I'm reading it but I think now what I have to do I have
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to memorize it and I have to perform it like it's not memorized yeah I think that's where I
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I'm not having trouble but that's where the practice is yeah making it sound like it's natural and I'm having
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conversation yeah that's crazy to me that's nonsense I don't know like
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I've had to talk give a talk once at my friend teaches at
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Rio Hondo College oh okay and uh she invited me out for like just to present my work and stuff and talk to the
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students and I was like I should like plan these things out and I had like an idea of
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like what I wanted to do and then like I can't memorize all this so I was like never mind I'll just like I have the
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pictures in order like kind of chronologically like instead of writing bullet points the
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pictures are the bullet points like this is what that is and that's what this is and I guess that's memorizing in a way
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yeah like it I I couldn't like I don't know try to write something out I don't
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know that that terrifies me what did you end up doing uh I well I had an hour in
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that terrify an hour yeah wow that's a long time yeah yeah and I was like I don't know if I can do it I got like
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five minutes maybe I grew up here I painted this and here I
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am yes all like I don't know I I think so little of myself sometimes but
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um yeah so it's it I guess I made it work somehow like uh the conversation
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was natural and like once I started talking thankfully I wasn't like in my head about it and it just kind of was
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going naturally so I was like we did it yeah usually it starts off like shaky yeah
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but like once you start getting in the groove of what you're about to say and how you say it and projecting your voice
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like it just I don't know just it just comes to you right [Laughter]
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ideally yes but well sometimes what uh instruments do you play
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um I think just like guitar bass uh I had drums saxophone trumpet a whole
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brass section French horn I I have been joking with my girlfriend that I do want to get a saxophone eventually there's
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just a lot of like music that I've been hearing lately that has saxophone right okay it rips hell yeah but uh no just
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just a guitar bass um I can't play drums I used to be able
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to physically play drums when I was in a band but I'm completely out of practice I can imagine it in my head and I kind
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of know the things to do but yeah I'm out of practice entirely you said you liked metal right yeah yeah have you
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heard of uh River of Nile yes they have they have a saxophone
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player yeah and some other songs it's it's badass if we can pull that up are
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we gonna get flagged um probably but just play a little bit
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um yeah we might well we didn't get we didn't get flagged for that uh Mickey Mouse penis thing so
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I think we're okay with a metal band with uh with the saxophone in there we
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just had a conversation of we can excel in one instrument what would it be and mine was a saxophone was it yeah I told
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you I said the drums are the saxophone I don't play either but it's I think it's cool saxophone can rip like place in the
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right context it just like adds something so cool are we connected up here
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no we're not there we go rivers of Nile the silent life all right this might be loud
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[Music] maybe you can skip to a part where the
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[Music] cool them though yeah I seen these guys in
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um somewhere in in uh downtown L.A you want to say
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wait was that I know singing into the mic I I have to remember which one but a
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friend of mine she's like really good friends with the with the singer okay oh I see it
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[Music]
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just rips yeah that looks like a tenor saxophone I want
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to say there's Alto Tanner and baritone saxophone
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[Music] all right [Music]
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right yeah
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all right I'm sold I'm getting classes pretty sick let's enroll you tomorrow all three of
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us uh at Sam Ash
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no that's sick though yeah that's that type of stuff is just like such a nice
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like peppering of just like something different into it and it's just so fun yeah it and it goes to show that you can
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just insert the saxophone and any type of genre of music and it'll work yeah
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yeah yeah it's it's so fun but yeah like that and drums like I always love
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watching drummers play like I don't know I love watching most musicians play like I I always say like I don't like country
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generally especially like pop country like the stuff that's just garbage yeah personally but
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um watching like a country band play is just like something else they're so like tight as musicians and it's just always
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like damn they're good like just watching them from a side like I can get into the music at that point I
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don't know if that's technically like pop country but like just watching musicians play is always fun yeah
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especially live music when you're just right there filling the vibration and they're like right there in front of you
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doing God knows what with their fingers and their mouths and their feet and
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their their body yeah and producing something that your ears are picking up
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and bringing out an emotion to you like that's that's amazing yeah yeah but same
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thing with your painting dude you're you're you're you're taking your ideas in your mind and and and using your
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fingers and your hands as like instruments of your brain yeah yeah it's uh it's I don't know there's a lot of uh
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practice to get it to what I hope it can be um like I feel like only maybe within
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the past three to four years I feel like I'm getting to what like I imagine in my
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head to be wow really okay it's it's uh and I mean I I feel like from this
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artist look at this dude yeah what would you call this like realism or uh I like
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to call it imaginative realism I definitely didn't come up with that term but it it kind of fills in that thing of
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like its imagination but realism we'll just say that you came up with that this is amazing thank you yeah yeah that's a
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painting of uh my daughter's mom actually um so yeah it's uh
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yeah I feel like this was the painting that let me
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like led me to be like oh this is what I'm trying to achieve wow it was it was
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a big like um like it's four feet by six feet tall whoa It's like my height
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larger than you no um yeah it's a big painting and it was
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like a a long few months of like back and forth trying to figure it out what
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I'm doing with it like I knew what I wanted out of some things but as far as the whole composition it was like a big
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struggle but once I finished I was like this is it this is like what I'm trying to achieve
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how long does it take you to do something like this um
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now it doesn't take me that long of a time I used to think I was a really slow painter
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um in grad school just because I would take months trying to figure things out as I'm painting but I think this
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painting specifically might have been about three weeks of like working on it
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um and like I have a day job so it's like working on it before and after work and stuff like that because I was these
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paintings for my solo show I was trying to like I guess rush to finish just because life
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comes up and I work and everything so yeah yeah what's the the the thought
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process behind the fox oh it's a red panda actually oh it's a red panda okay
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I got that totally wrong it's fine I mean that's where the the
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Mozilla Firefox thing comes from because okay I remember that firefoxes oh yeah
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yeah because they look they do look like foxes yeah um but they're real yeah the
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real the real animals yeah yeah really pandas these look cute can we look horrible can I look these up please red
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panda yeah they're actually the so yeah red pandas were about to fall
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down like a rabbit hole of mine but let's do it that's what we're here for yeah so I've
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always loved these little creatures they're so cute and adorable and any video you see of them like there's that
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one where the two are standing up like in a standoff oh yeah this one yeah and they they just do that as like
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they think they're being like oh you got me well like they're being
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menacing oh okay yeah all things but it's adorable it's not menacing at all
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um but back in like 2017 or 18 I won like a little
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Halloween drawing contest with the red panda just on Instagram just I followed
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like this uh account Carson the red panda which is a red panda in C out of
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Seattle Zoo and they were hosting just like a a giveaway for like an adoption like a uh
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what is it called not an actual adoption but uh honorary adoption like a virtual type
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yeah where he's just he's sponsored okay like the red panda um and I had won it and since then like
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I got really just into like the conservation of red pandas because they're like endangered and
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everything and their their habitat is like you know not completely destroyed
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but it's it's being rebuilt and things but there's this place called the red panda Network and they do conservation
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in oof I don't know yeah
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where is it I forget where there were most of the red pandas are but they do
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conservation there um and I've just been obsessed with them yeah since and like I haven't painted
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them too much um because I feel like I have to honor them in a way okay
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I want them to be used for specific things in my paintings that mean something so
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there was a so there's this painting which I titled Guardian um
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and in one of my other paintings of my daughter which is in another post on
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here um you see it like perched on her shoulder like looking out and oh okay
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yeah yeah and then in my head it was just like oh this is her guardian like
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very um oh my gosh dude sort of like uh
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what's that his dark material yes that show I don't know if you saw no I haven't yeah it was the book also but
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people it's in this like alternate world where people have like Animal Companions that are like they can talk and
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everything um I felt like once I saw that show and it was done really well and it wasn't
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cheesy at all I was like oh this is like what I wanted to do but the things I've seen before are very cheesy like it just
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I don't like the way it's done before but that gave me a little more permission to just kind of follow through with that like this idea of like
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an animal Guardian because I've always felt like in my life there's been like
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some sort of Guardian looking out for me I think most people probably feel that to some extent whether it's just like
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some sort of comfort in religion or something else or spirituality
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um but yeah that was me painting what I feel hers might be wow well it's it's
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amazing dude it's amazing picture thank you it's amazing piece of artwork what
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was the uh what was the thought process behind the one with the with the butterfly I love butterflies yeah yeah
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so it's um if you see the butterfly it's like kind of like bright pink and then it's kind
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of dissolving as you can see it's kind of like bluish gray and then there's like pieces uh dissolving from it
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um the one with uh the red panda with the blue background oh this one
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excuse me okay yeah I've seen that yeah yeah so if uh if I had an up close piece
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there's like little like pieces dissolving from it I've had this um other
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a bunch of drawings I do have these like animals that are kind of on fire and
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they're like emanating flames and smoke and in my
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in that kind of body of work they're they're all just strong so it's usually just grayscale
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um the animals basically are in Flames like burning and
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um it's kind of like of a virus is too strong of a word I guess
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but it's kind of like how people catch ideas from each other like that are very
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alluring but ultimately they're dangerous but it's like how something is shiny it can be shiny but it's dangerous
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like uh I've always felt like a lot of animals are very beautiful and alluring but dangerous
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um so it's it's um like the way I did those drawings it's just like each one of them end up
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being contaminated with like an idea or something like that so they all it's like they get these glowing eyes and
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then they start smoking and then with the red panda I was like well it would be cool to have one where it's
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like the red panda kind of like not tames but can kind of like calm that
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down or something um so that's like I like the idea of narrative and like I was saying earlier
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like I really love the idea of comic books and creating your own story and stuff like that like this is
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what I'm trying to do with my artwork now gotcha tell a story and not
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necessarily do like comic panels but like have there be a world I'm building okay and I mean it's prevalent uh I mean
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uh you you get to you're able to articulate you know a story behind your
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your painting instead of just painting something and saying well there it is there's just a red panda and he's
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holding a a butterfly yeah yeah I mean it would be nice to just I don't know I I can't just paint
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something and not have like something I'm building up behind it like as I'm working or before like I came up with a
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sketch for the red panda um 2018 I think I just had just had this
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little sketch in my Sketchbook and I would think about it every now and then I'm like I don't know if I want to make a painting yet like I sketched it I like
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the idea but there's nothing to it yet and then I came up with that painting the idea of that painting with my
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daughter with the red panda on it I was like oh this is what that is this is a continuation of that like I just added
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the story behind it and it became much more meaningful than just the image itself how long was it in your notebook
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before you started painting it um I guess
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for almost five years wow yeah yeah is there a lot of your paintings have that
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type of um no no story to it I mean the story to it yeah I think so
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um most of them do yeah I guess what I'm asking is like that Evolution like
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you're you're sketching it in your book like that length of that length of time oh no no like sometimes I'll like how
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you're saying you have those ideas of your like jokes you want to write down and stuff it Sketchbook is like the same
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thing okay and it's just like oh this is a good idea and then like I'll come back to it later and be like no this is a
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[ __ ] like I'll think about it for a long time yeah well that that stands the test of
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time and sometimes it'll just be like well I have a show coming up and this is the general theme and then
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um all sketched to that and then it'll just be immediate like within a week I'll
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start painting but sometimes it just sits for a while um that was an example that was probably
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the longest time five years is a lot yeah yeah and I would think about it like multiple times a year because I was
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like I like that idea but there's like nothing quite behind it yet aside from just like
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I mean you look at it and I think any with any art you can put like your own
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personal history behind it and the way you look at things and if it's a narrative or not you just put your own
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ideas onto it um so I could have painted it and just come up with something but I feel like
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it has to have something to it yeah yeah have you ever done anything where
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like you completed it like it's done signed it or you know whatever you do at the end
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and then you hated it oh all the time yeah what do you do with it uh I just if
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it's going to a show it's just going like I'm committed I'm not just gonna be like I don't like it so let's not do it
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I'm just like committed to it and uh yeah it with like my solo show for
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instance like I I feel right now in this moment I feel
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like more positive than negative about it but like after I was finishing the
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paintings I was like this painting sucks like I was finding all these flaws really it's like yeah yeah it's just
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like this sucks and then like a few days later I'm like it's cool I don't know how I did that that's crazy yeah and
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then it would just waver like back and forth I'm like right now I'm like with the same piece you go back and forth
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yeah okay I can I can see that yeah it just depends on like I guess my mood
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um like it's I I feel confident like right
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now in this moment I'm like they're good right now you're good yeah yeah in a few days when I'm mad about something I need
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something to take it out on and take it out on my painting yeah yeah okay isn't
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that crazy how like it's the same like process like just thought process us
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throwing or or you and I just throwing something you know on a piece of paper
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and um going back at it every now and then and
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just piecing it together piecing it together and at the end of all that it just
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evolves into something that we like or hate but it's still a creation of ours
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yeah yeah right it's the weirdest thing like people just do that yeah it it's
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weird because it's the same process but it's just a different form of art writing painting yeah drawing
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um I don't know a song writing a song making music yeah yeah words to me
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I I suck at writing and I just like I can say some ideas but I'm not coherent
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this whole time I'm like I'm not gonna okay perfect me too it would be a great
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episode like it's I don't know like trying to
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think of how like people just write like you or like authors like for like
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fiction books or anything it's just bananas to me I don't understand like how they can keep track of things and
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like build it to where it's like it's a bestseller or something like that it's just like how does that work it it
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doesn't make sense you just have these ideas and like you have this whole story that you write
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down and it's coherent to people like that's nonsense to me have you tried have you tried writing
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not I mean I I did my masters of Fine Art schooling graduate
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school thing um and I had to write a thesis for that oh okay like so there's like all the technical stuff for painting and then my
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influence and then what I'm right like what this work means to me in that sense
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yes okay I have to write like artist statements for like my show or uh submissions to Grants and things like
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that and it's painful even though I'm at this point now or like this is what my
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body of work is and how do I condense it to where it's like four sentences that
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make sense with each other there we go thank my thankfully my girlfriend helps me like edit down and like make things
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makes things coherent Awesome everything flows yeah how writing should work yeah
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you can't you can have like a five page essay like clipboard underneath one of
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your paintings yeah yeah you know what I mean yeah so okay I get that that's cool where I know this is a weird question
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but were you good at math it's cool that was so far away from left field in this
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conversation the only reason I ask is because sometimes people that are good like with like structure right like that
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they need like that makes sense like that exact answer is not all they're not always good at like writing like for me
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I'm really bad at math but I'm I'm pretty good at writing because I don't like structure and having to follow
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something so I always feel like there's always I don't want to just say two kinds of people but you know what I mean
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there's always that it's a pretty solid General thing to say because I I think that's pretty common like I'm I was
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fairly good at math and like middle school and high school and like English and writing and stuff like that
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like I I haven't picked up a book in a really long time it's embarrassing to
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say that gotcha yeah it's I can read stuff I'm interested in like audio stuff and like going down wormholes and stuff
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yeah like picking up the book to sit down and read it it just doesn't I just can't do it so is that what your kind of
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your art is I mean do you structure it in a certain way or is there like a process like because I I can't wrap my
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head around like if I had to paint or draw something like where do I even start like where do you start yeah
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someone's eye someone's hand like you know yeah it's this is like super art
48:59
nerdy but it's like usually I mean I guess it makes sense with writing too though saying it but it's like you go
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from like General to specific and I think that's like oh okay yeah probably
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every medium of art like you just start with General things and then you work down to like the specifics like a
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premise and then you do your topics and then you do your subject and then from
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your subjects you punch it up a little bit yeah yeah okay yeah it's probably it's then your punch line boom right
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there you get a laugh yeah and then three seconds and then you you add something else to it yeah okay so it's
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it's basically that like you just start because I don't I had to work against
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myself my practices my habits when I first started painting and drawing it's just I would be like Oh I'm drawing a
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face so let me start rendering the eye and getting it crazy detailed right away and then like I work outwards and
49:54
nothing matches it's just not quite right it's like that's what a lot of beginners do and it's because it's like
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you know that's what you can do but then you're not building everything up cohesively and then things just kind of
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like fall and don't match quite right because you're putting too much effort in one spot and that's even now I'll
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like still fight against that or make sure I'm like let me not do that how far how far into your art did you
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make that realization um I think let's see I started painting in
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2010 a lot like seriously I guess
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um probably by like 2014 or 15 and it was like
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that was after like a few times where people were like stop doing this like instruct like instructors were like
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don't do that yet like get everything up first right everything fleshed out to the same point and then
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you can go in and it took a lot of that hitting me over the head before I'm like
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oh don't do it okay that makes sense yeah this guy's telling me not to do it
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this person's telling me not to do it yeah you know what yeah I think I might believe them yeah yeah so it it took a
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while just because I'm I don't know is that like being obsessive and like I'm also very stubborn and so it's just like
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no I I think I I know what I'm doing I was like barely into it I was like I
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know what I'm doing I think that's all creatives right I think so yeah most probably I think we have just this weird
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brain like weird part of our brain that just I don't know they're they're you
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know how there's like characteristics of like murders and and serial killers yeah
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it's probably the same gene but like different and a creative artsy fartsy
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type of way yeah yeah yeah totally but that's the beauty of art is like there's
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no right or wrong I think in any art form that you kind of do right or no I
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mean I mean because you can go to school for art right and they teach you like fundamentals of it yeah usually and I
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think I don't know there's like the problem with like schools and stuff is they have like this is what it should be
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and then people think oh this is what it should be and they take it super seriously because you're young and
52:19
somebody old generally somebody older than you is telling you this is what it should be and they don't realize like oh
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this is just one way and like I don't generally I don't think there is any
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right or wrong with art in any form like things that I don't like for sure and I
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think that's only something I'm like maybe within the past five six
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years I'm like oh I can just not like something and it's fine like I have to be like that sucks yeah
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there's just pretty much it's uh subjective yeah yeah right when it comes down to it yeah yeah there's a lot of
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stuff like I see at galleries where I'm like why did this why is this in here yeah has anybody told you like to your
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face like they didn't like a piece or maybe like a harsh criticism or something not
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necessarily that they didn't like it just more like oh this is really dark and weird and like creepy and like why'd
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you paint this we're gonna answer them and they're like oh okay and I don't know what they
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expect from that type of yeah but I mean I think that's fine like I know now
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especially the past few years that like my art isn't going to be for everybody yeah and like there's some artists that
53:37
they can just hit the nail on the head for everybody really you think so maybe not everybody but but close to it right
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A lot of people yeah yeah and like some that just you know I'm not
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right now I'm not that person and that's fine like I as long as I can like keep
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creating and expanding and trying to make the story that I'm trying to make visually then I'm pretty happy generally
54:03
how often does your style change like throughout the years have you seen like a a change in I think there's in your
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art yeah I think this past show that I did the body of work is a lot more
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there's a lot more color to it a lot more maybe not vibrancy but just a lot more
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it's not as dull as it used to be um like I used a lot of Grays and there
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was high contrast of like super bright colors and stuff but then everything like a lot of stuff wasn't like super
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colorful and I feel like now I'm just using a lot more color in a smart way
54:42
now that I feel like I know what I'm doing and before I was like I don't know how to do that so I'm just sticking to
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like this very narrow like path of like this
54:53
is what I know I can do with these colors right and now I'm like oh I can do anything what do you think that is
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um for me it's because I I just didn't have the experience of like
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let me try doing this oh okay I guess I didn't feel like I could fail so I had
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to keep trying to do what I knew yeah and rather than like taking the time to
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experiment and like seeing what colors work with what and how much chroma which is just the
55:24
intensity of color and like the value of things which is like bright and dark and like just
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seeing what I can do with that and now I feel like I have a much better grasp of it and I feel confident in just choosing
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weird colors and like making it make sense within itself I see yeah that's [ __ ] rad dude what
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um what t-shirt are you wearing I keep looking at that it's [ __ ] awesome yeah it's uh this artist Skinner Skinner
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yeah on Instagram he's the art of Skinner I think is what it is um I think if you just type Skinner
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it'll pop up but he's uh he's in the Bay Area I think
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um two ends I think so two ends yeah
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it's really cool I've been looking at that one yeah Skinner I mean I guess I
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know the one that says Skinner podcast that is his artwork so I might have a link like his
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the art of skinner.com yeah dang he has some pretty cool stuff his stuff is really fun he's been one of my favorite
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artists like when I first started painting like his stuff is just so like
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I feel like he's one of those people he has a niche obviously yeah like of like people that like horror and Like Comics
56:42
and things like that he's like a space Cosmic or
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ink dude it's just like like he he does Comics now and
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oh wow he like does fine art stuff and does vinyl toys and yeah he's just a
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creative things it's like super inspiring to me do you think that like I I know like a lot of artists who come
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out like and I saw that you had merch and things like that do you think that's like I don't want to say evolved but it's a
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thing now right like yeah like that's a way of potentially owning a piece of your artwork yeah yeah I think it's
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makes art super accessible and I know like even maybe I don't know back in like the
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late 80s early 90s prints and stuff like prints of artwork were really like
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shunned like people look down on that type of stuff um in that since I've started doing
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artwork that was not the case at all like 2010 like just people made prints
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and it was a lot of like more maybe more people like Skinner who like I had
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Prince of back then just because I could afford that type of stuff because it was like little small pieces of art that
58:01
artworks that are like reproductions and affordable and not Originals
58:07
um and that also is the way that artists can make a living now because not everybody can afford like a piece in a
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gallery that's like thousands of dollars even if it's like one thousand dollars yeah that's a lot of money for mostly
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for me that's a lot of money like I can't afford my own artwork and yeah making things like t-shirts and stuff
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just thankfully a lot of that uh technology
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is just more accessible and easier to do all these things now with like procreate
58:37
on your iPad which is like iPads and expense but like you know create is a 10 thing or whatever and then that allows
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you to do so much and yeah do you start on uh digital
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um it depends depends if I'm in a rush yes ideally I would like to do like
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so earlier when you're talking about different mediums of paint there's also gouache which looks like a weird word
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it's g-o-u I like that one um and it's kind of in between
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watercolors and acrylics because it it has a weird working and it just drives
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it has a certain characteristic to it that's really nice and like I I like sketching with that
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um just because you can paint in a Sketchbook and actually close it and it can stick to itself because if you paint
59:32
with acrylics in a Sketchbook and you close it sometimes it'll just be like ooh stick and it'll tear the paper a
59:38
little bit but with gouache just the properties of it whatever it is it just dries matte wash yeah it's it's a it's a
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nice medium but ideally if I have the time I like to start like sketches in that but lately it's
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just oh I'll just go and procreate and like sketch stuff out I can move stuff easily and then just I can sometimes if
1:00:02
I need to I'll just make a procreate file the size of the painting I need
1:00:09
yeah get out and then just transfer it so I can just like skip trying to match my sketch large
1:00:15
scale and I'm just like oh this is what I'm doing and I just paint it so what
1:00:21
did you think about uh that AI uh the AI art program yeah that was
1:00:29
happening you know a few weeks ago the the lensa app was that that's what it was called I think it was one of them
1:00:34
there might have some there was more right probably yeah I mean there's like the AI
1:00:40
generator thing which is just before lens over it was just people were just making things and whatever you like
1:00:48
type in a word and or yeah you type in like phrase or something like
1:00:53
subjects uh in this style of this artist and whatever and you just kind of keep
1:01:01
trying different key phrases until you get what you want essentially like I think the more specific you are the
1:01:07
closer it gets and you just keep trying I think it has potential to be something cool
1:01:15
um it technology is like always advancing there's always going to be something new they're like
1:01:21
the accessibility of Garage Band in Apple Computers was also a thing where student people in studios were just like
1:01:28
this is garbage like they're all up in arms about it and it's not necessarily the same thing
1:01:36
um because I think the problem with the ai's art stuff is that it's mining from
1:01:45
other artists that aren't consenting to their images being like mind oh okay and
1:01:51
that's that's the problem with it I guess aside from
1:01:56
like Tech Bros and AI art Bros that are very just like calling people draw cells like as an
1:02:04
insult like draw cells what is that draw in cell like you drawing in cell or like
1:02:10
a draw slave or something oh okay like as a derogatory term it's so silly because it's just like
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I don't know it's it I it was kind of the same with nfts how
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people were like very like a handful of loud people were just like oh it's the future bro like
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get with it or don't yeah it's just like it's a little arrogant and a little silly and look where it is now yeah uh
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where is it now probably not good no I haven't looked into it but I've heard it's not where it was a year I still
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don't get it like what did it stand for non-fungible token
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yeah still don't get it but yeah I don't
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it uh it worked for some people and some people made money good for them but it I
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don't know I like the idea of a collectible and online collectible but all the things surrounding it were just
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a little weird and very like scammy like absolutely put a bunch of money into it
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and be like come on join in we're making money and then like all that money went
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away and then people lost a lot of money it's probably like a pyramid yeah it seem like there's someone at the top
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yeah exactly yeah I mean I can't say for sure but it seemed that way heavily
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weren't my children making nfts yeah it was like a little boy that got like super rich off of yeah like it's anybody
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can make it and it's just like it's you just get a JPEG you
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through some process I that I don't know you just mint it which makes it non
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like reproducible even though it's a JPEG I don't understand that specifically uh but
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that's the idea of it that it's a one of one thing and then it just gets passed around and sold and like auctioned and
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whatever and people make money somehow I don't know but AI art anybody can make
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it which is fine like anybody can have Photoshop anybody can have procreate but there's no
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inheritive like I don't know if that's the right word uh there's no
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like skill involved in it like I've seen posts of like
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people's uh tweets where it's like I can't type in this one thing and I can't
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get what I want maybe in another three months I'll get what I want with like another patch upgrade it's just like
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well you're you you can draw you can learn how to draw like I think anybody can learn how to draw if they it's a
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practice that's all it is really and like yeah all this AI art that was a funny story that one it won like a
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digital art contest or a digital art prize at an art fair I think in Colorado
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whoa um and people were so mad about it but I thought it was it is technically digital
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art if it won then fine but where are the images coming from this AI thing I'm
1:05:13
a little confused is it like compilation of like actual artists yeah yeah it's just like mining information somehow I
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don't know how it works exactly uh but it's like pulling data from the internet
1:05:27
and pulling jpegs and understanding oh I like that one with the cow
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[Laughter] and that's cool it's just like pulling
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information from other sources and basically yeah collaging them together
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like within itself so you know you're not necessarily doing it in Photoshop it's doing it for you got it
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um and I think most AI has a tail like it's I can spot most of
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it like oh really it's yeah there's a certain look to it for some reason because of whatever it's mining it's
1:06:06
the more popular something is the more it'll like replicate that sort of I'm kind of wrong on that I don't know how
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to explain it exactly but there's a certain look to it and if you look at like hands whenever
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it tries to like replicate hands it's so wonky and so really and like there's people that rep
1:06:26
like did like oh a party scene in the early 2000s like a bunch of people in a
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party and like their teeth are weird their eyes are weird their hands there's
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like yeah this is a human yeah I think so I can draw a human most people scroll
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down scroll down I want to uh no oh yeah there we go uh there's an Alex Gray
1:06:50
looking you know who Alex Grace this one
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this one to the corner yeah yeah this one gives me anxiety yeah more I'll
1:07:02
close my eyes Okay the more popular an artist is the more their style is going
1:07:07
to be ripped off that's just the way it goes I think um because this does look like Alex Gray
1:07:15
it's like indicative of his style right and the stuff he does and
1:07:20
I think that's the problem with it I think there could be an ethically done AI where people sign up to be like yeah
1:07:28
go ahead use my stuff right use these stock images and I think that's fine I think it's still
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it's a good starting point for something like I don't want to discredit it entirely and be like I don't know
1:07:41
somebody who just doesn't evolve with the times right but I think the way it
1:07:46
is now isn't the best and then the lensa app I think that's when it became
1:07:52
much more popular and like accessible because people are like oh selfies yes
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selfies right away yes me as art okay like anybody will do that and that's why
1:08:03
I got so popular because everybody was doing it did you see that theory that they had of like this is what you really
1:08:10
look like did you see that no I don't think so so they were saying that um people were doing the AI thing right and they were
1:08:16
putting their face on there and then people were saying like oh this doesn't look like me but other people that
1:08:22
actually know what you're because you know they say you really don't know what your face looks like yeah um only in a mirror and it's not even
1:08:28
like the right depiction yeah um so they were saying that um you yourself didn't think it looked
1:08:35
like you but other people that know what your face actually look like um saw like an uncanny like resemblance
1:08:42
so they were saying like whatever you look like on AI like that was your actual face yeah yeah and that I could
1:08:49
see that because I don't know it's I have like uh
1:08:55
yeah I think I guess everybody has like some body dysmorphia yeah the right it's like too extreme of the term probably
1:09:01
for what I'm trying to say but it's like I think everybody has that some degree um but yeah just the the AI stuff it's I
1:09:10
think it could be fine it's a good starting point for ideas and like it's like Photo bashing sketches and stuff
1:09:17
but yeah I think the problem just lies with like where it's all coming from right now yeah I most of my friends that
1:09:24
are artists not I mean a few there was like a handful were just like uh don't
1:09:31
like download these things don't you know submit any of your pictures don't
1:09:37
don't support these they're gonna put you know our uh uh artists like me out
1:09:43
of work and they took our jobs type of talk and I'm just like I don't know I
1:09:50
don't know I think much about that to even come up with that type of I think
1:09:56
it's gonna Theory the very like I don't know the very basic
1:10:04
basic ideas of like when a company wants some
1:10:10
illustration but they don't want to Fork over a living wage to somebody for their
1:10:16
art so I'll just do that and that's okay yeah that makes sense it makes sense it sucks yeah but also they weren't going
1:10:23
to pay you that much in the first place and they should pay you what you know people are worth yes
1:10:30
um it so there's that problem where people like have to do multiple like freelance gigs like that to make ends
1:10:35
meet um but I don't think it's going to replace like the human touch of art
1:10:41
obviously because I mean that's the thing where it's like when digital art when Photoshop became more accessible
1:10:47
people were like ah digital art is crap and like some digital art is really cool it's not the same as like physical art
1:10:54
in a gallery necessarily but there's something to it there's still a human touch to it a human element
1:11:00
um and I it's not gonna do that even though it replicates things from our
1:11:06
other artists that have human touch it's still not the same and like the
1:11:12
artists just have to be better at what they do to get the types of gigs that
1:11:17
are going to be replaced or something they just have to be undeniably good and be like this is that person that we need
1:11:23
for that specific thing we're going to hire him like because he's that good like I think you just
1:11:30
have to level up essentially yeah yeah it is scary because it's like you have a
1:11:36
lot of other things to worry about as an artist like securing jobs things like that now there's this other threat threat of things and just like ah well
1:11:44
okay time to just be better is it complaint about it or just be better yeah yeah I wonder if there's going to
1:11:51
be any AI podcasts probably probably yeah like I because
1:11:57
there's like AI the chat GPT which replicates like writing and stuff so
1:12:03
people wow like ask it questions like you can do like write me a script of
1:12:08
like in the style of this show hold on can we pull that up what is it called chat GPT I think
1:12:16
um and it it's just mining from other sources so it sometimes it can be
1:12:21
nonsensical sometimes it's kind of close but not uh it it again it doesn't have
1:12:27
that like human touch to it it's just nothing innovating is going to come from
1:12:33
it really because it's just replicating from sources I think Jasper this is a
1:12:40
different one um scroll I want to read it uh interacting with artificial intelligence
1:12:46
used to fill difficult overwhelming and a bit robotic now with Jasper chat have
1:12:52
a natural conversation with the AI that feels surprisingly human simply ask your
1:12:58
friendly AI chat bot to generate ideas revise your content and even make you
1:13:03
laugh yeah like you can they're putting Comics out of the job right now yeah
1:13:09
it's with this it's so it's bad it's not coming for everyone's
1:13:14
job I know it's like they're coming for people's jobs if they're not good if
1:13:19
they're supporting right exactly but if there's no like true yeah substance soul to their work
1:13:26
whatever it may be they're even like even like well I mean I always think on like the food side
1:13:32
um but even now have you seen those I don't know if they're here yet but the ones that make pizza and it's literally
1:13:38
like a robot in a box and you can get fresh pizza dough everything like done
1:13:43
in like two minutes and pizza places were like super upset so they're coming for
1:13:51
everything yeah it's I think it's like robot stuff is kind of inevitable for
1:13:57
like something some tasks but it's for some things yeah yeah like wrapping a
1:14:03
titsy pop yeah yeah and it's I think even in the Industrial Age it was like
1:14:09
like uproar against like things uh I don't [ __ ] know yeah like
1:14:17
like putting like a bolt or something something that yeah all that mechanical process conveyor belts and things like
1:14:22
that there was always uproar against something new but I I think something that that I found very we just we went
1:14:30
in Japan in November um and Japan is very you know into technology I mean I'm sure they're one
1:14:37
of the leading right like creating things but we we found that for for people in Japan it's more of a
1:14:44
convenience factor so they create these things to make their life easier yeah um everything is convenient they want
1:14:51
fast easy and convenient yeah I think that's what it should be uh I think the
1:14:58
problem where people like with AI art is I guess people
1:15:03
you're like oh I just want something quick and easy like I don't care about the artist's life oh that's behind it like I think that's where probably a lot
1:15:10
of artists are upset like they just oh it's another thing that they don't really care about like even though
1:15:16
everything is Art like the design of this microphone the design of this boom stand like everything is just a design
1:15:22
which is Art um and also like I guess
1:15:28
with writing and like even the pizza stuff like the
1:15:33
robot that makes a pizza it all comes down to like oh the job that I rely on
1:15:38
because the economy I live in [ __ ] sucks like it's just it comes down to
1:15:44
that ultimately I think it's just how are people gonna make a living yeah they get replaced in that sense yeah
1:15:50
definitely it comes down to like the necessity of having a job exactly yeah
1:15:56
as tedious of a task it may be that it can be done by a robot but somebody
1:16:02
needs that job to survive yeah and I think a lot of it comes down to that like fear-based thing imagine like your
1:16:09
grandpa worked at like the titsy pop Factory and he lost his job rapping
1:16:15
Tootsie Pops to a robot like that has to be the most devastating thing yeah yeah to think about yeah and it's like yeah
1:16:23
like the I mean I guess I don't know if people I I was around for it but when
1:16:29
self-checkout things became an option I'm sure some people were like we those are jobs yeah but it I'll still
1:16:37
go I'll go there when I need to but I'll still go to a person when I need to like I don't it's sometimes more frustrating
1:16:44
to deal with the self-checkout thing it is yeah so it's like it's it can be efficient but also not perfect
1:16:52
like has that little human thing where it's like oh this is
1:16:57
somebody does this more fluidly yeah like a robot where it's just like scan
1:17:03
it place it you didn't place it there yeah even with uh the ramen like when we
1:17:09
went to a Ramen spot in Japan they had these big huge like panel looking things
1:17:14
that had like all the options for for ramen to add certain uh ingredients
1:17:20
inside and we we're still confused because we did
1:17:25
not know um you know the operation side of it like what do we do there was still
1:17:32
another person in in the restaurant telling you how to
1:17:37
order so there was still somebody there still trying to navigate you know a
1:17:42
guest on how to order and you still needed a person to to serve it yeah I
1:17:49
mean even your the order went in there but you still needed a person there like
1:17:54
the money got look at they're they're like that the money all went into the machine but there you
1:18:01
still needed another person you still needed Cooks yeah and I I don't know I don't know how ramen would taste if it
1:18:07
was made by a robot yeah it's uh I mean cooking's one of those things where it's
1:18:12
just like you need a human touch that feel yeah that like experience of making
1:18:17
thousands and thousands of dishes and you just know you just do this with the the salt or Pepper or any other spice
1:18:24
and just that and that's enough for the whole dish yeah if you're not gonna get that with the robot and I think that
1:18:31
translates into art too because I I want to be able to see you know different mediums and you know I don't know maybe
1:18:38
Perfections and Imperfections in it versus like digital art I mean I feel like everything we see on a daily basis
1:18:45
in our phones could be constituted as digital art you know there's a different feel of seeing it in person than on the
1:18:54
internet yeah yeah exactly and that's a thing not but everybody gets to
1:18:59
experience or I don't know I guess being in California
1:19:05
it's like oh there's like a lot of art museums in Los Angeles is there and there's all these like contemporary art
1:19:10
galleries but like I was in New Mexico from like 5th grade
1:19:16
like I guess 11 till um 25 and up until I was like 18.
1:19:24
maybe even 19 I had never really been to an art museum like it it just wasn't all about radar it wasn't accessible it
1:19:32
wasn't like I don't the university in Las Cruces
1:19:37
where I grew up they had an art gallery but it was like it was small it's like a state school it wasn't the biggest it's
1:19:43
uh the program itself got a lot bigger now they have a new building it's fantastic but like at the time and
1:19:50
before my time there it was like not the greatest thing in the world um but it wasn't a thing like for me
1:19:58
growing up and for so many other people not in like big
1:20:03
cities it's like like that's not a thing like growing up seeing art and stuff so like most people don't know that I think
1:20:10
and but like I didn't know that but then yeah it just takes like the right
1:20:16
exposure to it to be like oh this is like a thing you see in person and it's not just on like a four by six screen or
1:20:25
something on your in your hand it's like totally different than person do you interpret it differently now that you
1:20:31
get to see you know art that way versus [Music] um screen on screen uh I think so I think I
1:20:40
I don't know being so close to LA like and being in La often it's like I
1:20:45
can see somebody posting about like oh this painting will be at this Gallery like this weekend or
1:20:51
something and I can see it I'm like oh that looks so amazing and then I can I want to go see that I'm gonna see it in
1:20:56
person but that's also me being an art nerd and like a painter and not everybody does that but I think it's
1:21:04
uh I know like what I'm looking for when I'm going okay
1:21:09
if it's striking in a image on like a JPEG yeah like I
1:21:15
want to know if it's just as striking if not more in person and there's people that can do that and that's like what
1:21:21
you want to achieve because it's the worst thing in the world where you see a cool design a cool painting on your
1:21:27
phone and then you go to the gallery like it's not laughs
1:21:32
but yeah half a half a tank of gas and and it's not the same thing uh Cody
1:21:40
thanks for coming out and and uh hanging out with me of course yeah it's been great and talking about your art dude
1:21:46
and can we get that on the screen yeah Cody Jimenez ladies and Gentlemen please
1:21:52
share your stuff yeah yeah so uh my Instagram is at Cody jimenezart
1:22:00
um my website is Cody jimenez.com super simple uh I had a recent solo show that
1:22:05
is up until March 17th at the brand library and art
1:22:11
center in Glendale let's go north L.A uh the hours are on their website I don't
1:22:17
know it offhand um I have my web store where I have some small Originals some prints and I do
1:22:23
have some shirt pre-orders right now um and that's Cody jimenez.bigcartel.com
1:22:31
cool and all the links to Cody's art his uh big cartel.com Cody
1:22:40
jimenez.bigcartel.com will be down in the show description uh and thanks for listening guys and his
1:22:48
links to everything are going to be in the show descriptions including our links here at mindbuzz media on our way
1:22:56
podcast on YouTube is back now and I'm
1:23:01
hosting an open mic at or chaturia Rio Luna Cafe in Paramount
1:23:09
so come check us out February 16th and that was it Cody
1:23:15
thanks man thank you thanks for coming out do we have anything else to share
1:23:20
I'm like trying to think um not this month just our Open Mic come on
1:23:27
to our open mic February 16th come check me out I'm gonna be pretty cool
1:23:33
that's it I don't know thanks Cody thanks for coming out man appreciate it
1:23:38
are we still uh there we go [Music]



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