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MB:196 with Gill & Amber #4 Decoding the Spooky Mysteries: From Halloween Costumes to Horror Movies

October 31, 2023 Mindbuzz Media Season 3 Episode 196
The Mindbuzz
MB:196 with Gill & Amber #4 Decoding the Spooky Mysteries: From Halloween Costumes to Horror Movies
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Happy Halloween Mindbuzz Universe! Enjoy this Halloween special with your favorite podcast duo!

Can you recall your favorite Halloween costume from childhood? Join us as we swap stories of our most memorable Halloween get-ups, from Britney Spears to the monsters of Monsters, Inc. While we’re in the nostalgic spirit, we also give a nod to the master of horror, Alfred Hitchcock, and discuss the innovative techniques he used in the legendary film, Psycho. 

Ever wondered how much fear fictional characters like Chuckie and Annabelle could instill if we treated them with a little more respect? We venture into that eerie territory and examine our perceptions of horror movie characters. We also delve into the Mandela Effect, shedding light on how collective misremembering can shape our realities. Plus, we untangle the complexities of the English language and its influence on our understanding.

Finally, we break down the elements that make a horror movie truly hair-raising. We dissect how suspense, surprise, and the unknown factor play key roles in evoking fear. In addition, we explore real-life events that inspired some of the creepiest horror movie characters. Wrap up your Halloween festivities with us as we investigate the mysteries of horror movies and costumes. Don’t forget to share your spooky snaps on Instagram and subscribe to our YouTube channel for more MindBuzz madness.

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Speaker 1:

That we could have a serial killer. He's the sadistic killer wanted for a series of murders and rapes. What is up mind buzz universe? We are back. Happy Halloween, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3:

I am what? Happy Halloween. What's up, what's?

Speaker 1:

going on.

Speaker 4:

For everyone that petitioned to have me on camera and see me, I'm finally making an appearance.

Speaker 1:

Today. Well, you're not On Halloween, you have to be cutting it too.

Speaker 4:

On Halloween. Wait, I'm going to make my grand reveal.

Speaker 1:

Oh, I thought you already did.

Speaker 4:

I know I messed up. Here I am in the flesh. That's what she really looks like. That's a true interpretation of me, yeah.

Speaker 1:

You have a psycho killer that lives inside you. You try to take children's souls on your day off.

Speaker 4:

You wear overalls.

Speaker 1:

You're two feet tall.

Speaker 4:

Got an orange hair.

Speaker 1:

Orange hair.

Speaker 4:

Got a big forehead.

Speaker 1:

Sometimes and you got a five head on good days.

Speaker 4:

Shut up. You look like my grandma.

Speaker 1:

I look like a mixture of Austin Powers and Nacho Libre.

Speaker 4:

Nacho.

Speaker 1:

Nacho. Oh, should I do the? I was going to do the butt thing, since that's what Oscar wants me to do. It was weird. As soon as I told him that I was going to be Nacho Libre instantly, he wanted me to squeeze my butt cheeks. I don't know why.

Speaker 4:

I mean, you got some good butt cheeks.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, they're pretty good. But yeah, it's Halloween. You want to do the, let's do the. Might be the weekly.

Speaker 4:

Oh yeah, oh, should I even get a song ready?

Speaker 1:

Oh, pull it up.

Speaker 4:

Pull it up. Pull it up. Yeah, let's do. It All right, improvise here, keep talking.

Speaker 1:

No, I'm waiting for you. Oh my God, just kidding, I'm super excited about today. It is probably one of my most favorite holidays out of the whole year, even though it's not a holiday in terms of what people do.

Speaker 4:

But all right, I'm ready.

Speaker 1:

Okay, well, just play the music, then that's not the you got to watch out what you're pressing. Play on, go to the just go to the music. What's wrong with you as soon as you've got the camera on you? Now you're just what's going on.

Speaker 4:

Hey, you need to relax right.

Speaker 1:

Press play All right Put it up a little bit Dang after camera regañaron. Put it up.

Speaker 4:

Here's my fricking of the week. Rundown Creeps will be performing this Sunday at Punk in the Park, alongside bands such as Pennywise, descendants, circle, jerks, goldfinger and much, much more. The MyGritto family are very excited and proud of Richard Steven Alan from the Rundown Creeps. It's a big deal and we hope to see everyone there. I mean, we won't be there, but they hope to see everyone there. Also, have you listened to the new song called Spacetime Continuum from Professor Galactico? Yeah, so when this episode is done, go over and look that up on all streaming platforms and listen to it. But yeah, go give MyGritto and all of those bands a follow. I think we're going to list them down right in the show description so it'll be easier for you guys to go and click it, but yeah, All the links to what Amber just talked about will be down in the show description.

Speaker 1:

If you're not following MyGritto, then follow them on Instagram, and if you're not following the MindBuzz, follow us on Instagram as well. We do have a YouTube channel. If you're a listener, if you like the audio version, you're going to like the YouTube version as well. But go check us out at MindBuzzMedia on YouTube and give us a subscription. We are working so hard for your subscriptions and your listens that I get in costume all the time just to show love for all our MindBuzz universe peeps. Oh my God.

Speaker 2:

It's going to work MindBuzz universe.

Speaker 1:

I forgot what it was going to be, but yeah, in other news, amberlicious.

Speaker 4:

Don't call me that.

Speaker 1:

Amberlicious. Okay, so me and Amber have been what we've been partnered up since for four years now.

Speaker 4:

Sorry, I just don't know.

Speaker 1:

We've been shacked up for four years and four nights and I'm a big horror fan. I love horror movies. That's all I want to watch on, doesn't matter what type of season. It could be Christmas and I would want to sit there and binge on horror movies. But over the past, I want to say week Amber. We went to last Tuesday, we went to go watch the exorcist, the original exorcist, 1974 exorcist, and then just last night she just watched the original original.

Speaker 4:

Italian or something.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

Original.

Speaker 1:

Original. She watched the original the Psycho by Alfred Hitchcock which came in what like 1964? Can you look at them?

Speaker 4:

1960.

Speaker 1:

1960? Dang, and I was explaining that there was a lot of new techniques that Alfred Hitchcock did with the actual movie. I mean, the black and white thing is is is is pretty.

Speaker 4:

I had a shirt like this.

Speaker 1:

Did you?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, you had a shirt with and you've never, seen the movie Mm-mm Geez, but I still liked it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but what did you think?

Speaker 4:

I liked it, I liked it a lot. I, I kind of knew what, like I knew the basis of it, right, obviously I know, um, norman Bates, norma Bates, the mom, the house, like like I knew everything, but I just hadn't sat down to watch the movie, um, and I don't want to spoil it for anyone that hasn't watched it.

Speaker 1:

Oh my God, it's been over a hundred years. If somebody hasn't watched it, then that's their fault. Well, look at me.

Speaker 4:

I haven't watched it, but it's a cool little twist. I kind of put two and two together at the end. Yeah, first when you said you're always a spoiler. Gil loves to talk while movies are going on. It's been over a hundred years. Yeah, because you killed them all and I was like, okay, so the mom's not alive. And he killed.

Speaker 1:

Wait, I didn't say he killed the mom.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, no, you said you killed them all. After you killed them all, you said you were talking to the TV.

Speaker 1:

I was talking to the TV after you killed them all. Get that corner out of my face.

Speaker 4:

So I was like all right this makes sense.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but okay, I just it was a great movie, it's a good movie.

Speaker 4:

It's a really good movie, I enjoyed it very much.

Speaker 1:

I enjoyed watching it. Now we have to watch the Vince Vaughn version. Can you look up to see when that came out?

Speaker 4:

Sure.

Speaker 1:

And the Vince Vaughn version is a frame by frame remake of the original, which I 1998. Which I like to see because I like to compare remakes and I like to compare overall like pre-cools. There's a storyline matchup and I honestly Vince Vaughn was pretty cool. Danny Alfman did the I'm a huge Danny Alfman fan and he did the actual score for the remake. So when I say frame by frame remake, it's literally literal, literally frame by frame. It's a remake of the original. So each movement, each hand gestures, all that is remade. But in 1998, this was a, it was a bomb dude, it bombed at the box office. I think their budget I read somewhere was like 60 million and they made like $34 million. Oh, shoot yeah, they barely made half.

Speaker 4:

Well, look at them right there, look at them.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

Looking all weird.

Speaker 1:

We should be that for Halloween next year.

Speaker 4:

Let us know what we should be for next year, because we need to get it together sooner.

Speaker 1:

That was no, we had a suggestion. That was pretty good.

Speaker 4:

Oh, yeah, which one? Let me see, let me, let me um do you remember? Let me pull that up.

Speaker 1:

I don't remember.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I put it on my Instagram and I had a few people tell us who we should be. One moment please.

Speaker 1:

Who actually suggested this?

Speaker 4:

year's my cousin.

Speaker 3:

Jam.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, jam, she suggested this year's, which was great.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it was a, it was spot on for sure.

Speaker 4:

We'll post a picture later on our Insta story. Um, so you could see us both together because I'm a part of this costume too. I'm uh not this while I am today, but you know what I mean. Let me see.

Speaker 1:

I love your ventriloquism work.

Speaker 4:

Thanks.

Speaker 1:

You're getting really good at that.

Speaker 4:

Thanks, master, master. What was it that ventriloquism?

Speaker 1:

To sink the plantation. They don't say master, yeah.

Speaker 4:

There was one, a creepy one, and he was like thank you, master, I'm trying to throw my voice around.

Speaker 1:

That was another thing that we were talking about. We should do ventriloquism, but it's not really ventriloquism, it's just you sitting on a stool and having my hand behind your back.

Speaker 4:

I had my scooter on.

Speaker 1:

And you dress like a doll and like acting like a doll. But I think that would be really good. That would be a really good act.

Speaker 4:

That'd be pretty funny, yeah Well.

Speaker 1:

But we have to act like it's a ventriloquism the whole time.

Speaker 4:

All right. So somebody said Britney Spears and somebody said Britney Spears and Kevin James.

Speaker 1:

Is Kevin James oh.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, the little meme that's going around the kings of queens.

Speaker 1:

So it was the pretty much be popular memes for Halloween. Yeah, kinda Okay because they meant Britney Spears with the knives.

Speaker 4:

No, oh, maybe you're right. Yeah, yeah, you're right, the Flintstones. Somebody said the Flintstones.

Speaker 1:

I like that one. Yeah, that one's cool, but I think it was played out.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I was gonna say it's a little generic. Somebody said Lelon Stitch.

Speaker 1:

That one's a good one.

Speaker 4:

Chucky and the bride of Chucky.

Speaker 1:

That's played out.

Speaker 4:

But we listened. Look, I'm Chucky. Yeah, somebody said un trompo del pastor y el taquero, so I seen that one floating on the internet, yeah. I think it's become this year's costume or last year's. Somebody said Ricky and Lucy.

Speaker 1:

Okay, that one. I can see us doing that one, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4:

Um my Lucy, he's scary. Sorry, sully and Mike Wazowski.

Speaker 1:

You got them explaining to do.

Speaker 4:

Hey, so so did you see.

Speaker 1:

That was terrible.

Speaker 4:

Were you watching that episode I think I overheard it of like Mandala effects and they were saying that apparently he never says Lucy, you have some explaining to do that it's not part of the show ever and I'm like no, there's.

Speaker 1:

You got some explaining to do.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, Apparently he doesn't. He doesn't say it.

Speaker 1:

No, I think it's Lucy I'm not home or Lucy I'm home. No, it was looking up.

Speaker 4:

I'm gonna look it up and hold on, okay. Um, somebody said, sit in Nancy. That's kind of cool. Edward Scissorhands and Kim, oh yeah, el Chavo y la Chilindrina, darla and Alphalfa, and that was it.

Speaker 1:

Those are good ones.

Speaker 4:

Harry and Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber.

Speaker 1:

That one would be cool.

Speaker 4:

And then the one that we chose, which is Nacho Libre and Incarnacion.

Speaker 1:

Incarnacion, yeah.

Speaker 4:

Okay, that one.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, okay, those are good ones. I mean, what are the top three for me for next year is Lucy and Ricardo. Didn't somebody say Mike Wazowski? And uh, yeah, I said it. And Soli, you did. Yeah, that one's a good one, but that would be difficult to make.

Speaker 4:

I think we said to um Doc Brown and Mmm, that's what we said for him.

Speaker 1:

That's what it was. I was trying to remember what it was, but it's Doc Brown and Marty McFly who would be.

Speaker 3:

Marty oh, look at how cool.

Speaker 4:

You see that, the ghost. Yeah, the ghost Would be Marty Of me Halloween's past, marty's short and little no, but you want to be Marty huh, you don't want to be Doc.

Speaker 1:

Brown, I'll be Doc Brown. I can do a good Doc Brown.

Speaker 4:

The time machine.

Speaker 1:

He doesn't say that. It's your kids, Marty, it's your kids. What's going on, Doc? Are they? They turn out to be assholes or something?

Speaker 2:

It's our kids, marty, ah, your kids.

Speaker 4:

Well the hell, I'm watching someone's stories, too long it's your kids, marty, it's your kids, marty, it's your kids Marty.

Speaker 3:

OK, Vince.

Speaker 1:

Vaughn Psycho 1998. No wait, we're going to look at, yeah, where we did what the heck. Sorry, I'm so psyched up.

Speaker 4:

You're going to have Misha this morning, or what? This date is fine day.

Speaker 1:

This mustache is hurting my lip. That's why.

Speaker 4:

Um Lucy.

Speaker 1:

Oh, you're going to look up the you guys are complaining to do. Yeah, the Mandala, mandala. No, look it, lucy, you got some explaining to do.

Speaker 4:

Do Mandala YouTube Right here. Why is it in the plane, oh?

Speaker 5:

Ricky Ricardo. Every time Lucy got in trouble, restart it yeah, yeah, yeah To Lucy.

Speaker 5:

Put it up Like that you may not remember the popular 1950s I love Lucy show, but I'm sure you'll remember the famous phrase uttered by Ricky Ricardo Every time Lucy got in trouble. What do you remember Ricky saying to Lucy? Number one, Lucy, you have some explaining to do. Or number two, Lucy. Lucy, you have some explaining to do. Or number three I think that I'm entitled to a little bit of an explanation. Pause the video If you don't want to hear the answer. Yet if you selected number two, Lucy, you have some explaining to do. You're wrong. Let's listen to what Ricky actually said. Now, this is Ricardo, If you don't mind.

Speaker 3:

I think that I am entitled to a little bit of an explanation of what is going on here.

Speaker 5:

The answer is number three. Ricky Ricardo never said Lucy, you have some explaining to do.

Speaker 4:

I don't believe that.

Speaker 1:

So he never says that at all.

Speaker 4:

I don't believe it.

Speaker 1:

In all the 200 episodes.

Speaker 4:

I don't believe it. I've watched them. I've watched every single episode.

Speaker 1:

I vividly can hear him Say Well, it seems like you got some work to do. Let me see.

Speaker 4:

Let me see if he says it.

Speaker 2:

This is not it.

Speaker 4:

See, it was even quoted I don't know.

Speaker 1:

I love that movie. Fool's Russian. You just have to die. This way You're good.

Speaker 4:

See how can a whole culture, a whole society remember that and it not be real.

Speaker 1:

Because that's the basis of a Mandela effect. It's because one person culturally or one person in pop culture gets it wrong and it becomes a domino effect of getting it wrong every single time and it just becomes a false memory.

Speaker 4:

I think a Mandela effect is a gas lighter. I think it makes you think. It puts out one video or one thing and it makes you think. And then second guess is your thought and your perception of something? And you're like you. Maybe they're right, maybe I wasn't on there, and then it just takes off. That's what I think. I got to go back and watch them because I don't believe it. I'll report back to you guys in a month when I'm done.

Speaker 1:

So you think that there is at least one. If there is at least one line of script that says explaining to do, then I think that's wrong.

Speaker 4:

I think one of the most iconic lines known to the show.

Speaker 1:

Okay, yeah, but also with. There's another Mandela effect with Darth Vader and Luke, where he says no, luke, I am your father. That's completely false.

Speaker 4:

And what do we say?

Speaker 1:

Luke, I am your father. But the real version is like look up that one, that one's another one strange one too, because everybody says that Luke, I am your father. It comes out in Tommy boy, it comes out in a lot of pop culture. He doesn't say Luke, I am your father, he says something else. What was Luke's famous line? Well, no, that's Darth Vader's famous line. Yeah, look it. No, darth Vader didn't actually say Luke, I am your father.

Speaker 4:

What does he say?

Speaker 1:

Uh, let's see. Yeah, look at it. In the scene of 1995 comedy film Tommy Boyd, david Spade's character walks in on Chris Farley, tommy making sounds on the desk fan. At one point Farley says Exaggerated, exaggerated. Way of Luke, I am your father. That was Tommy Boyd.

Speaker 4:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

That was my verse. Oh yeah, right there, right there. Uh. The comedic scene is representation of Phenomenon known as Mandela Effect, which, as we previously reported, is when many people collectively misremember something. But what is the actual line? That's what we're trying to get at, right?

Speaker 4:

Right here, read this part.

Speaker 1:

He told me enough. He told me, you killed him. No, I am your father. So he doesn't say no, luke.

Speaker 4:

Over here look.

Speaker 3:

Run, not the image.

Speaker 4:

For those of you that can't see the scale breathing Am I breathing?

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

I'm trying to be Darth Vader.

Speaker 2:

Oh, this one was awesome. You're important. You've only begun to discover your power. Join me and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy. I'll never join you. If you only knew the power of the dark side. Obi-wan never told you what happened to your father. He told me enough. He told me you killed him. He told me you killed him. No, I am your father.

Speaker 1:

Okay, this one was weird. But another one that was weird was the Baron Stain, baron Stain. Oh yeah, that one shook me when I first watched that video about. There's tons of them on the internet about the Mandela Effect, but when I heard that about the Baron Stain, baron Stain, I literally got chills when I was watching it that day and that's one of the most iconic things you used to call it Baron Stain Bears. Baron Stain. I remember it as Baron Stain.

Speaker 4:

And what is it?

Speaker 1:

Baron Stain. The Baron Stain Bears, not Baron Stain.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I used to say Baron Stain Bears, but I used to say Chick-fil-a.

Speaker 1:

Chick-fil-a.

Speaker 4:

So don't listen to me. Mandela Effect my whole life. When someone's like no, it's Chick-fil-a, I was like no.

Speaker 1:

I didn't even know Chick-fil-a existed until like two years ago, three years ago, four years ago, but I was just a paisa.

Speaker 4:

So yeah, I was just a Mandela Paisa my whole life.

Speaker 1:

Mandela Effect. You enter the Mandela Effect when you cross the border. I think that's what happens Instant Mandela Effect when you get your papers. Everything is a Mandela Effect to you.

Speaker 4:

I know.

Speaker 1:

That's what happens.

Speaker 4:

That's funny.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I don't know what other words get people. I mean, english is a hard language and you know what you think. So, yeah, it really is. It really is.

Speaker 4:

In the sense of what.

Speaker 1:

Because there's certain words that mean two meanings.

Speaker 4:

There's also there's words in Spanish that mean like, like in ten meanings.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I'm not saying that's not difficult also.

Speaker 4:

No, I know, but I'm thinking like dang.

Speaker 1:

We're on English here. There's two words for every. There's a lot of two words. There's also innuendos, there's certain Like, there's a tone. There's different tone for sentences, I don't know. To me it's a very. I'm still trying to navigate through English and it's my first language.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I'm just like yeah.

Speaker 1:

As I'm talking as what's his name?

Speaker 4:

Nacho.

Speaker 1:

As Nach Ignacio.

Speaker 3:

Ignacio.

Speaker 1:

These four meaning the fuck was that?

Speaker 4:

That was a stupid. It was like an impersonation.

Speaker 1:

No, I was trying to be the old guy. Wait, you remember where, like his, his blouse and everything gets burnt inside the Inside, like he's praying, and his robe gets on, yeah, gets on fire, right On fire, and he like runs out and he's dressed as he has his wrestling gear underneath his robe. And then the old. There's this old guy in the video in the movie that says no this is for me, then that's what I meant, because he's like one of the best characters ever.

Speaker 4:

Got it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, oh man. So what's up? Chuckie, how you been. What's new?

Speaker 4:

Nothing much Trying to stay out of trouble.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

I get a really bad rap. You know, I'm just angry because I'm little. I get pushed around, I don't get seen. You know what I mean, literally and metaphorically, people think because I'm small, you know what? I'm gonna let out my true freaking. So let me talk about something that bugs me. Don't do it, people Don't do it. I get it, I get the. I get the gist around what they're trying to do, right, but sometimes I'm just like no. So I'm short. In real life I'm about four or five, four or six on a good day, depending on the shoes I have on.

Speaker 1:

Four or six with crocs.

Speaker 4:

No, we wouldn't wear boots, and I hate when people come and they're Okay, I get it. Everyone's taller, whatever, I'm used to it, whatever. Have you ever noticed, and it's only happened a few times somebody comes up to me and we're having a conversation and then they crouch down to their knees. Have you been with me when that's happened.

Speaker 1:

Mm-mm.

Speaker 4:

Oh, I'm like okay, and they're like, oh, let me get on your level. And I'm like, pfft, let me get on your level. I don't know, I get it. I get it because they say, you know with kids, oh, get down to their level so you can look at them in the eye. But I don't know, I don't know. I find it very disrespectful when you're an adult. Am I just overthinking it?

Speaker 1:

No, I don't think so. I've never seen that. No, Honestly, just because I've never seen it doesn't mean that you no, I know that it hasn't happened. Have an experience that.

Speaker 4:

But I'm trying to think. I feel like it happened recently. Yeah, yeah, I'm like where were we? Yeah, it did happen recently, really.

Speaker 1:

Mm-hmm, and I was there and I was what the heck.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I'm trying to think, I'll think about it, but I know it happened recently.

Speaker 1:

Next time that happens, whether it's a female or male and somebody.

Speaker 4:

No, a woman has never done it, it's only been a man.

Speaker 1:

Well, when that happens, and if it does happen, right in front of me, and I'm standing next to you, I'm going to zip my, I'm going to put my zipper down Hell. Do you guys want to try it? Go for it.

Speaker 4:

But yeah, so I guess I understand Chuck. He's an anger, he's just trying to navigate through life.

Speaker 1:

No, he's not. He's trying to steal souls. He's trying to steal a child's soul.

Speaker 4:

No, he's just mad.

Speaker 1:

He's mad because he's short.

Speaker 4:

He's just mad because he's small.

Speaker 3:

No.

Speaker 4:

I don't understand the respect. I bet you, if they treated Chuckie nicer, he'd be a nicer doll.

Speaker 1:

Okay, well, the same thing that can. It's the same for Annabelle too.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I think all horror characters can. Let me be their attorney. You're going to be their attorney.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you're going to get a coalition of all the horror characters and become their guidance counselor and navigate them through their new life.

Speaker 4:

Look at what's on the movie we watched oh, boogieman, no, not Boogieman. What was it called? The one we watched, the Exorcist? No, no, no, no, no, we watched it last year, the remake Candyman. Remember Candyman?

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

He really wasn't trying to do anything.

Speaker 1:

There's a whole bunch of different stories for him.

Speaker 4:

Right, there's a version where he was trying to lure kids and then there was another version where he wasn't.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, there's a I think there's a version where he was like a slave on a plantation and he was having sexual relations with like the one of the main people in the house and then they caught him, they chopped off his hand and they put a whole bunch of honey all over him and they attracted bees. I think there's a version like that. That's the only version that I remember from watching the remake from last year.

Speaker 4:

Hmm, yeah, there's a bunch of versions, but I don't know, maybe I'm just looking too much into it.

Speaker 1:

But no well, as a writer and a developer of a character, you have to Right. That's part of building a character. Part of building a character is making your character, that you're building, a relatable character, even though, how crazy it might sound, there's some relatable aspect in Norman Bates. Let's break that down, for instance, because that's still pretty fresh in our mind right now.

Speaker 4:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

Psycho Alfred Hitchcock's character? Or is it Norman Bates?

Speaker 4:

Norman Bates.

Speaker 1:

Right. What are some of his main characteristics? He's a mama's boy. He loves and cherishes his parents, his mom particularly right. Who doesn't like their parents, who doesn't cherish their mom's love?

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

So that's an instant connection right there. The second is he wants to do right by his mom. There are all these characteristics of Norman Bates as a human being and you take out all the crazy stuff that he does in the movie, it's pretty relatable.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

To be honest, I mean even with we can, because they're essentially the same thing Norman Bates and Norma Bates, same character, right as far as the movie goes. Yeah, Same thing with them as a mother, right, there is some jealousy with your parents or your children leaving home? I'm just speculating.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 4:

Like some kind of like oh they're. You know, I took care of them for this long and now they're just up and leaving. And or you know someone else showing affection to your kid or things like that, and in a maybe a non-sexual way. You know, it's just, you feel like you've had this person forever and now it's they're just gone.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. And then even in the original, how Norman Bates kills his mom, like Norm Bates, like he poisons her and her lover because he was jealous yeah, he was jealous because they were. It was just them for a long time. And then, even before that, a child's going to be jealous of their parents. New lover, new boyfriend, new girlfriend, new husband.

Speaker 4:

I'm a grown-ass adult and if ever, knock on wood that were to happen, like I don't know how I would feel, you know. So I understand, I completely understand.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I'll tell you this from my experience, when my mom had passed already for years it's been years and then, but even before then, when my mom and dad were separated, right, it was just, it was still kind of weird because you were jealous on a level of why can't you be with my mom? Right, that was always a question, like I was always questioning like you're with this lady, but why can't you be with my mom? Make me happy, right. So there's some weird little feeling there. And then also you're there and you see that your dad is acting different or your parent is acting a little bit different, and you don't really think about that because you're only concerned with your feelings at that time and I get it.

Speaker 1:

I mean, now that I'm older and I reflect back on those times and those days my dad was, he was struggling to be, to do things. Yeah, it's hard. I'm pretty sure I'm trying to put myself in my dad's shoes and I'm pretty sure it was pretty freaking difficult knowing that there was probably some guilt in there, pretty sure, but he was just trying to do his best, what he thought was the best thing to do. Yeah, right, and I don't know. That's a pretty difficult situation to be in. There's really there's no wrong or right answer for that.

Speaker 4:

No, there isn't. So, like again, we're not justifying Norman Bates killing people.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, we are.

Speaker 4:

But we're justifying it. No, but I mean I think there's, I think it just. I mean, like I said, we can dissect every fucking horror film and person and find.

Speaker 1:

Who's next? Freddy Krueger.

Speaker 4:

Find a trauma that you know dates back to what they did.

Speaker 1:

Michael Myers. Michael Myers has a very sexual undertone. When he watched the movie, every single person that he murders in the original film is they just got done having sexual intercourse or they're about to have sexual intercourse. That ties into his first murder in the. And then we're just talking about the original Canon film Halloween, 1974, I think and his first murder was the boyfriend and his sister upstairs. Again, again, it's a little boy doing the murder. I think he was like six or seven years old, I think, at the time when he does it. And we're all talking about. We're talking about films, ladies and gentlemen. It's not anything, anything real. We're talking about movies. If you're sorry, I don't know. I'm bad at apologies.

Speaker 4:

Yes, you are.

Speaker 1:

Nacho's bad at apologies and I'm committing to the character, but everything in the original films has this weird like sexual undertones of that In the original movie.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think there's so, so there's. I've been watching the different videos trying to dissect the actual character of Mike Myers and there's so many storylines like, not like different storylines, different universe, let's just say universes of Michael Myers.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, you know that. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

There's the original storyline, which is Halloween one through four. There's also a 40 year timeline to where Halloween, the original movie, happens. Two, three and four don't exist. And what? Yeah, the 40 year version where two through four don't exist. And after the first film, he gets locked up in a psychiatric ward for 40 years and it takes it all the way to the remake of Halloween and then it starts from there.

Speaker 4:

I don't know all these adaptation ones. Some of them are good, some of them are just let it be.

Speaker 1:

Let it die.

Speaker 4:

Let it be. Let it be.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but I like that one. I like the 40 year version of that film. The new Chucky series and all the other series that they came up with is just. Those are terrible. Let's just forget those even exist.

Speaker 4:

I don't like the whole little CGI of Chucky, like the fakeness of it. I don't know. I feel like the original. Yeah, he was a doll and maybe it was comical, but I don't know. I don't like this version of it being like I don't like the new version of myself. Is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1:

But there's certain yeah, In horror films. I think what really gets an audience, especially in a film movie, like in a movie in horror, is practical effects Always get. An alien is a perfect example of that. Or is a predatory alien In the original movie with the sojourney. So what is it, Sogornie Weaver, Like when the thing comes out of the person's stomach? Did you know that? The actors didn't know that that was going to happen.

Speaker 4:

No, yeah. So it was like a real yeah, can you?

Speaker 1:

pull it up. It was a real reaction, alien, when the alien pops out of the guy's stomach, oh yeah, alien. So they knew it was gonna happen, but they didn't know it was gonna happen, like at that exact moment, is what I'm saying. So all the reaction that happened in that scene is all cannon, like it's a candid, not cannon.

Speaker 4:

Like cannon.

Speaker 1:

Candid.

Speaker 4:

Right here.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, thank you, that's it.

Speaker 4:

Does it make a lot of noise? I don't wanna scare anybody. Put your head foot down now Scary.

Speaker 1:

It's Halloween.

Speaker 4:

I guess I don't wanna scare myself is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2:

Get some decent food. You can dig it, man. I'm eating virtual.

Speaker 3:

Then I'll taste as better. You know what I'm saying. I'll probably you pound down the stuff like this it's not really eating something else but right now I'm digging food.

Speaker 1:

Ew, you're just not eating what it's made of.

Speaker 4:

What do you say? I really eat something else.

Speaker 1:

Inga said.

Speaker 3:

I don't eat this. What's the matter? The food ain't that bad, baby. What's?

Speaker 5:

wrong.

Speaker 3:

You're wrong. You're chill, but you're wrong. You're not eating Ugh Ugh. What's wrong? What, what? Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew.

Speaker 4:

Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew. Wait till. They didn't know this part was gonna happen.

Speaker 1:

Mm-mm.

Speaker 3:

I'm saying tell him Chris, I'm trying, I'm trying, yeah, I'm trying.

Speaker 1:

I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm trying. Well, they planned for the scene, but they didn't know that the thing was gonna come out.

Speaker 4:

Ah Ugh.

Speaker 3:

Ew Ow, ugh Ugh, ugh Ugh.

Speaker 5:

Ugh.

Speaker 3:

Ugh, ugh, ah, ah, ah, ah Ah.

Speaker 1:

That part, there we go, All that Ah god, ah, ah, ah, tee Tee oh no, oh, oh, no oh.

Speaker 2:

Oh, touch it Don't touch it.

Speaker 4:

Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah Ah.

Speaker 1:

Really Scott.

Speaker 4:

You know, what gets me with horror movies is suspense, so like when everything's quiet and then all of a sudden boom, something falls or something like that. Right, that's where it scares me. But as soon as I see the monster or the demon or the shadow, whatever it is, I'm done like all right.

Speaker 1:

What do you mean? You're?

Speaker 4:

done, not done, but like, like all my suspense and my jumps and everything it's done, like because I already seen what it looks like, so I'm no longer like scared is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but with new movies, with new horror movies, with all movies.

Speaker 4:

Like when we watched the Exorcist the other day, like obviously I already knew what she looked like, right, but just like re-seeing her on the screen, I was just like okay, I'm good. And at the beginning I was like, oh, I don't like loud noises, you know, I don't like like loud noises and that's what scares me. But after I seen her I was like all right, I'm good, and I was able to enjoy the movie. I mean, there's been several movies like that where as soon as like what was the one? The Conjuring, what's the one that has the nun? Like demon thing.

Speaker 1:

Though there's different ones, but in the Conjuring universe they have. Yeah.

Speaker 4:

So when I seen the Conjuring like all, at the beginning I was like and then I seen the Monster, I seen her, and then I was like, all right, I'm good, like now I expect to see their face and it doesn't scare me. Do you see what I'm saying? So what scares me is the unknown, the not seeing the oh, what's gonna come out Like, the suspense of what's happening is what scares me. Once I see the Monster, I'm not saying I'm done like oh, but I'm no longer scared. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but I guess the directors and writers they bank on those jump scares. Yeah yeah, Of like surprise, because there's a lot of surprise and now that, like, once you get a jump scare right, you're already on the alert. You're already on the prowl for the next jump scare. Oh, what's gonna trigger the next jump scare? So you're watching that.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, and then you tense up and you're like that's how I felt with. Paranormal Activity the first time I ever watched it, and I think because Paranormal Activity there was nothing that actually came out Like. It was all just jump scares and loud noises. Cause right cause. Paranormal Activity the first one like they never showed like a actual monster or a demon or anything.

Speaker 4:

It was just you knew it was there and then you didn't know when, like a book was gonna fly or a loud noise, and like that movie, really, the entire time I was watching it I was like clenching.

Speaker 1:

Like when it was done, I was like you know, what gets me in horror movies is the likeness that something like that of a plot of a horror movie can happen in real life. That's what gets me.

Speaker 3:

So you put all of your skills.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, ever since I was a young kid, I loved horror movies. My dad used to take me to scary movies all the time, didn't matter what age I was. My mom the same thing. My family, my cousins they took me. All my cousins are all older and they would take me to scary movies, right, so already have that fix in my mind about, like, scary movies.

Speaker 1:

Okay, they're not real. But what always used to go through my mind was can this happen? Can this be real? Can it? Does it make sense? Can it make sense? Like? That's why I think Freddy Krueger has always been one of my most. It's just, it's terrifying for me because of the dream world that he builds in all of his films. And dying in your sleep is can happen. Yeah, it can happen. I think that's where Wes Craven got the idea for Freddy Krueger. Pull it up because I guess it was like there was some certain thing happening in the Philippines back in the 70s and when he heard about it, it gave him the idea for the character of Freddy Krueger. Like, these people in the Philippines didn't know what was going on, so he made the character based on that, based on what was going on in the Philippines.

Speaker 1:

Cambodia yeah it was Cambodia In Vulture's oral history of Nightmare on Elm Street. Craven said that he was struck with inspiration for the Dream Killer when he found an article, when he found an article in LA Times. The article was about a Cambodian family coming to America to escape mass genocide and killing fields. Oh, that has. That's exactly what he said. Exactly the opposite of what I said. I thought there was no, there was people actually dying in their sleep. No, no.

Speaker 4:

She's gonna go back to the drawing board, yeah we'll scroll down.

Speaker 1:

Well, at least I thought that's what happened In 1984, west Craven introduced the world to one of the most iconic horror films of all time. Over here look.

Speaker 4:

Read this part.

Speaker 1:

Okay Craven found inspiration for the landmark horror film through an article that was published in the LA Times. He recounted the story of a refugee child from the Cambodian genocide who was terrified to sleep for fear that he would be attacked in his dreams and never woke up.

Speaker 3:

Wake up.

Speaker 1:

Well and never wake up. When he finally fell asleep, his parents thought his crisis was over. Then they heard screams in the middle of the night. Craven told Vulture. By the time they got to him he was dead. He died in the middle of a nightmare. So it was around these times in Cambodia in the 1970s, was it?

Speaker 4:

Yeah 1975.

Speaker 1:

Southeast Asia.

Speaker 4:

Oh, the 1980s.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

Oh yeah, right here. So the story Craven described wasn't an isolated incident. Dozens of Southeast Asian refugees in America died for unknown reasons in their sleep during the 1980s. The mysterious deaths were usually among young men in their 20s and 30s from the Homoang ethnic group and affected a large enough segment of the population to alarm public health experts. The people suffering from this puzzling alignment were typically refugees from a small Laos, a small landlocked country in South Asia.

Speaker 1:

So that was a real thing.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, you were right.

Speaker 1:

Okay, see, all right, I'm not crazy. This is why we do this people, to acknowledge that I'm correct on everything that I say. That's why we do this, okay, so I wonder if Mike Myers is inspired by a true story. We already talked about Freddy Krueger. We talked about what Leatherface and Norman Bates a few weeks ago when we talked to Alex, what about Michael Myers? Like, is there a basis of Michael Myers that is real? Michael Myers is a fictional character from the Slasher film series Halloween. He first appears in John Carpenter's Halloween 1978. The young boy who murders his elder sister, judith Myers 15 years later, he returns home to Haddonfield, illinois, to murder more teenagers Is there, but there really doesn't have to be.

Speaker 4:

No.

Speaker 1:

Right, no, but it's more. It's more believable not really more believable, but it's, at least for me, like coming back from what I was talking about of how certain characters scare me because it could be real, like I don't find Michael Myers scary at all Because I feel like it's not, it can be real.

Speaker 4:

I mean, of course, there can be a man that's crazy, if anything, I feel like Michael Myers is more real than like Freddy Krueger Really, yeah, because Michael Myers is based on an actual person that puts on a mask to disguise themselves and he goes and he kills people. That can happen at any moment. Freddy Krueger, you're going out on a limb saying that he's gonna go into your dreams and kill you, like that doesn't happen every day.

Speaker 1:

Okay, but no, I get that. But what? How Freddie gets in your dreams is you being afraid of him? So it's hard not to be afraid of somebody when you're hearing all these different stories. You have no controls over your dream when you go to sleep. Most of the population in the world can't really change their dreams at their disposal whenever they get a chance right.

Speaker 4:

How many times have you had a nightmare and woken up like? Oh, my God, I was so scary and actually died from it.

Speaker 1:

I don't know cause I've never died in my sleep. That makes no sense.

Speaker 4:

Yes, it does. What I'm saying is that nightmares happen, scary things happen. You fly off a cliff.

Speaker 1:

How do you wake up when you're dead?

Speaker 4:

You get swallowed by a fucking, a wave and, oh, a bear ripped my arm off. But you wake up. It's just a dream. I feel like Michael Myers is more realistic. I have a dream, I don't know. I thought you were a little more.

Speaker 1:

Little more what. Little more what.

Speaker 4:

Thinking Freddie Krueger's more.

Speaker 1:

He's terrifying.

Speaker 4:

He's scary, but he's not like scary.

Speaker 1:

His face, his skin, because he's burnt like he killed children.

Speaker 4:

I don't know, maybe cause I'm the type that can watch it, I'll be scared at the theater, but then I come home and I can knock out Like I'm not thinking about it.

Speaker 1:

I'm the opposite. I can be in the theater when it's happening. I'm like, yes, yes, give me some more blood, Give me more of that. And when I get home I'm petrified and I'm afraid of the dark.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, you are.

Speaker 1:

I'm afraid of the dark.

Speaker 4:

I'm not, but we've talked about why I'm not. So, yeah, my mom never scared us, ever. She says she's like I don't want you to grow up being scared and I'm not.

Speaker 1:

This is what happens when you scare your children. Ladies and gentlemen, this Yep. This happens.

Speaker 4:

So don't try your kids. The cuckoo is gonna come for them. La mano peluda, someone's gonna steal them. Cause that's all fucking childhood trauma. You're just causing trauma to a child that's later gonna be an adult.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, maybe there's some balance that you can do. You can still scare them, but still tell them, hey, that's not real. What we're doing is just, I don't know, we're having fun. Can we meet in the middle and do that, because it's still fun. It's fun to be scared.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Like I like to be scared, it's fun. But when it turns into like I can't sleep at night and I have to have the light on, but that's the thing, is that like for me, like I still get scared.

Speaker 4:

I enjoy horror movies, I enjoy Halloween, I enjoy all of that, but I know the difference between reality and fiction and I feel like for you there's I got a problem with that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, there's a line I'm crazy, I'm slightly there's a line where you don't Psychotic.

Speaker 4:

Where your brain still thinks that it's possible for that to happen. And that's what a lot of people that are scared, like you, that are petrified of the dark or of any-.

Speaker 1:

No, it's getting better now.

Speaker 4:

I'm not petrified of the dark. Well, because I live here now.

Speaker 1:

It's not petrifying to me. Well, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4:

I'm not saying just you in general, but I think it's because there's something in our brain when we were kids that didn't let us identify that this scenario is not real.

Speaker 1:

It's human nature to be afraid of the dark.

Speaker 4:

Well, that's what my mom would say Don't be afraid of quotation ghosts or the dead, she's like. What you're supposed to be afraid of is the living that can actually harm you, and I believe that.

Speaker 1:

And we're gonna end it on there, because that's scary. Be afraid of the people, ah.

Speaker 4:

Oh, I covered my face.

Speaker 1:

No, you're fine, You're good, you're good, cue the music.

Speaker 4:

Chucky, thanks for being here.

Speaker 1:

Thanks for being here.

Speaker 4:

Let us know what we can find you.

Speaker 1:

Talking to Mike.

Speaker 4:

So you can find me on any in any. Yeah, I can't Ha, ha, ha, ha In any closet.

Speaker 1:

Happy Halloween, ladies and gentlemen from the Mind Buzz to our Mind Buzz universe. If you're not following us on Instagram, follow us on Instagram at the Mind Buzz. We're on Facebook too, but most importantly oh, we're on Facebook, yeah, we're on Facebook. Most importantly, have fun tonight. Be safe, don't drive drunk, don't be an idiot. Yeah, get a lift. Or call your mom, call somebody to come pick you up. Call Freddie Krueger, call Michael Myers, call anybody, but don't be an idiot. Be safe out there. Have fun. We want to see you guys on the next one, okay?

Speaker 4:

Share some of your pictures with us. Send them to us, yeah, so.

Speaker 1:

Oh, and then we're gonna be posting and this is a perfect segue to why you should be following us on Instagram is because we'll be posting. We'll be posting pictures of our, of our costume together, cause you've already seen me, right, you've already seen me, but everybody loves to see Amber, and you can see pictures of her on the Instagram account that you don't get to see on the actual show. Other than that, subscribe to us on YouTube. Our homies Bad Ombres just came out with a new song on the run that just got premiered today, october 31st, halloween, on the run. The video is gonna be down in the show description, so check that out, give them a like, give them a follow. All that good stuff. If you like our intro and outro music, it's Bad Ombres.

Speaker 4:

Jesus, get that corn out of my face. Get that corn out of my face.

Speaker 1:

Peace out. The Mama Mine, but the Mama Mine, but oh yeah, incarnation, incarnation.

Speaker 4:

Ramses. Do you need a little bit yeah.

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