Gill and Amber are the hosts of The Mindbuzz Podcast and producers at Mindbuzz Media.
https://www.mindbuzz.org/
Have you ever pondered how a young woman's extraordinary success can skew our perceptions of achievement? Or how the person on the other end of your 911 call could single-handedly change the course of someone's life? As Amber and I navigate these compelling stories, we're also opening up a humorous discussion about the Mind Buzz universe, Marvel's unexpected influence on it, and inviting you to join the brainstorming fun.
As we peel back the layers of online hate and its mental toll, we're advocating for resources to help influencers and celebrities cope with this new normal. We're also shining a spotlight on a community incident that underscores how warped our perception of violence has become. Join us as we share our views and experiences as business owners dealing with hate and offer some thoughts on humility.
In a stranger-than-fiction twist, we're also delving into the controversial tale of a couple who created a twin flame universe, and the manipulative tactics they used to exploit thousands. We examine their techniques, including a forced transition from female to male - a disturbing trend borne out of manipulation. So, buckle up and join us on this roller coaster of emotions, as we explore the good, the bad, and the downright weird in our society.
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"King without a Throne" is performed by Bad Hombres
King without a Throne Official Music Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNhxTYU8kUs
King without a Throne
https://open.spotify.com/track/7tdoz0W9gr3ubetdW4ThZ8?si=9a95947f58bf416e
Gill and Amber are the hosts of The Mindbuzz Podcast and producers at Mindbuzz Media.
https://www.mindbuzz.org/
Have you ever pondered how a young woman's extraordinary success can skew our perceptions of achievement? Or how the person on the other end of your 911 call could single-handedly change the course of someone's life? As Amber and I navigate these compelling stories, we're also opening up a humorous discussion about the Mind Buzz universe, Marvel's unexpected influence on it, and inviting you to join the brainstorming fun.
As we peel back the layers of online hate and its mental toll, we're advocating for resources to help influencers and celebrities cope with this new normal. We're also shining a spotlight on a community incident that underscores how warped our perception of violence has become. Join us as we share our views and experiences as business owners dealing with hate and offer some thoughts on humility.
In a stranger-than-fiction twist, we're also delving into the controversial tale of a couple who created a twin flame universe, and the manipulative tactics they used to exploit thousands. We examine their techniques, including a forced transition from female to male - a disturbing trend borne out of manipulation. So, buckle up and join us on this roller coaster of emotions, as we explore the good, the bad, and the downright weird in our society.
My Grito Industries
mygrito.net
Subscribe to The Mindbuzz Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIYj7eDCsV3YPzxv7VRKZKg
Don't forget to follow us on Instagram @themindbuzz https://www.instagram.com/themindbuzz/ to keep up with our hosts, guests, and upcoming events!
See you on the next one!
"King without a Throne" is performed by Bad Hombres
King without a Throne Official Music Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNhxTYU8kUs
King without a Throne
https://open.spotify.com/track/7tdoz0W9gr3ubetdW4ThZ8?si=9a95947f58bf416e
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Speaker 2:You hated love it, bro. Wouldn't you rather your daughter be like Jenny, 69,?
Speaker 2:owner home the young age have a business, a clothing line, a this or that. Well, not just Jenny, it could be any young woman who has made it her passion in life to succeed and has done that. And then for just somebody who maybe hasn't had that success, come and just kind of pull the rug from under you, bro. It's just, it's upsetting, it hurts me as a man, not just as a human being, but as an influencer, as a content creator, as all these things, because, bro, I understand, I just got beat up myself. Bro, it's not fair, not for her, not for me. You hated, love it, bro. Wouldn't you rather your daughter be like Jenny?
Speaker 5:69, owner home. The young age have a business a love it bro. We are here two shows at the Corvina live factory. Boom, I had like thrown your voice or something.
Speaker 6:I was like, dang, you're a uh no no, it's because I connected to the Bluetooth.
Speaker 1:I was playing that clip on my phone. A lot of kinks that we need to work out this live shindig. But welcome, ladies and gentlemen, I'm the people of the mind buzz universe Stop calling it that. I'm going to keep calling it that why?
Speaker 6:Why couldn't you do something?
Speaker 1:cooler. There's nothing cooler than a universe.
Speaker 6:Yeah, there is. It just sounds so now I guess, with Marvel it just sounds like I don't know.
Speaker 1:Marvel ruined movies, it ruined the theater and now it's ruining my right to say mind buzzer universe. That's not fair.
Speaker 6:I would say what's up mind buzzers or something. That's even more lame Mind buzzers we should have like a poll or like some, like something where we can get an input on people that listen to us. What Cool.
Speaker 1:Well, we can do that, my people of the mind buzz universe. If you don't like that and if you think that there's something that sounds a little bit more palatable, a little bit cooler as Amber wants to call it go ahead and let us know. We'll do that chat, we'll do that poll on the mind buzz Instagram account. But nonetheless, whether you are a mind buzz universe or a mind buzzer, welcome to the podcast, where we talk to interesting people. Today we don't have a guest Me and Amber, we're going to be chatting online and we're going to be. We have the chat open. We're going to see how this live thing goes. We have the chat open. So if you're watching this, go ahead and give your chat. We'll give you a shout out. But welcome to the podcast, and I believe we do have a migrito weekly, don't we?
Speaker 6:Yeah, we sure do Do. This Friday, which is today, my view, though, will release the new single by the. Paranoia is called scany little. I hope I'm saying that right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I pulled it up on there, so maybe we can get that visual.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
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Speaker 1:There it is.
Speaker 6:It's this one, yep, the peachy folder one.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir Ma'am.
Speaker 5:Sorry.
Speaker 6:There you go. That's scany little for those of you watching us on a YouTube, but yeah, that's cool. It's like a retro peachy folder. Right, I like it, I dig it.
Speaker 1:I dig it.
Speaker 5:All right, all right, I see you guys.
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Speaker 6:Scany little.
Speaker 1:Scany little Sorry yeah by the paranoia is by the paranoia is, and that comes out today, right, yes, cool.
Speaker 6:I think I already came out, so for it comes out today. So Harleys Sweetwater will be performing this weekend in Arizona, so tomorrow he'll be in Tucson at the Hotel Congress.
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Speaker 1:It was awesome. If you're excited about my grito and all the things that they are doing, go ahead and check them out on Instagram and all the links to all their podcast networks. I'm excited about the podcast stuff. I know that we have a cool lineup of artists, but the podcast network which held Emo Brown, the mind buzz, chicano shuffle, west Coast Pop Lock podcast and Dragos Margos and there's going to be a really cool thing happening with the West Coast Pop Lock. They didn't give me the OK to talk about it, but there's going to be a lot of cool things happening there next week on their show.
Speaker 6:So is it like underground, or what is it?
Speaker 1:I don't know. They said it was going to be, it's going to be live. But I asked them hey, am I allowed to talk about this on social media? And nobody got back to me. Oh yeah, we would want people to tune in, right? So just watch the page. If you don't have me on my personal page at the Gil Billy Dellic page, I'll be posting it here on the Instagram for the mind buzz, so you guys could check that out. Oh, and then just a little wink wink. I've been doing stand up comedy at beer thug brewing every Wednesday, so you might get to see that wink wink.
Speaker 6:That was a horrible wink.
Speaker 1:Was it? Oh, there we go. How's that? Better All right, cool, but other than that, what else? I wonder where that derived from. The wink.
Speaker 6:Yeah. Probably somebody, somebody said hey, gordo said wink, wink.
Speaker 1:What's up? Give me a thumbs up if you like that one, because I thought that was a pretty good one, but I think we should look that up. Let me give my predictions of where the wink came from. I think it was just a huge misunderstanding. Maybe somebody was just going throughout their day and maybe a little bit of dust got in their eye or something.
Speaker 6:I wonder if we can even trace where it started from.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, because there's a lot of sayings that derived decades ago, over 100 years ago.
Speaker 6:I feel like Winkins is going to be like some, like man thing.
Speaker 1:Man you're. So what is that?
Speaker 6:My yes, it's like dang it. My English brain isn't working Like pervert. There you go. My yes, it's a pervert, All right.
Speaker 1:But what's the difference between a manioso and a pervertido and a maniaco? So there's three different things.
Speaker 6:Maniac is a maniac. Just people started using it as like oh, you're a maniac.
Speaker 1:Okay, so a maniaco is a maniac, but okay, so what's a pervertido A?
Speaker 6:pervert.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 6:Manioso is like when you know something's wrong but you still do it.
Speaker 1:Oh, but that's not in like a sexual way.
Speaker 6:No, no, you don't know. It doesn't have to be in a sexual way, because you could be manioso like oh, he steals, and he's a manioso like, or something like that, right, so I guess it's one of those words that can have a lot of.
Speaker 1:A lot of meanings.
Speaker 6:A lot of meanings, gotcha, but I feel like winking is one of those things like like who winks Like it's creepy.
Speaker 1:Oh me.
Speaker 6:Look, somebody said manioso is like a quagmire from the family guys.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 6:Quagmire's a manioso.
Speaker 1:I guess so, but he's yeah, I can see that yeah.
Speaker 6:Like someone that knows that they're doing wrong, but they continue to do it and they just think that they're going to get away with it. That's a manioso.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's, definitely quagmire.
Speaker 6:Okay, that's definitely 100%.
Speaker 1:But also the other older man I'm trying to his name is escaping me Herb the pervert.
Speaker 6:Who's that? The old man or every old person at the bank is a manioso.
Speaker 1:For all our bankers out there.
Speaker 6:If you're not a manioso, you better check in with us and tell us oh yeah, somebody said herbert the pervert.
Speaker 1:What did I say?
Speaker 6:Yeah, I think he said that no. Okay, but I said pervert the herbert or something then, but yeah, I say old people because you know when they want to sneak in like they can't see You're old and let me go in front. But they know damn well there's a line.
Speaker 1:Didn't that happen to us in downtown LA Coming out of a theater? Remember that.
Speaker 6:We were waiting for our car.
Speaker 1:Were they the ones that we ended up talking to and they're from Chino Hills. No, no, no, that was the family.
Speaker 6:The maniosas were a two old couple. They just like cut in front of everybody. It was a line like a legit long line for people to get their car and these fools just walked up to the counter.
Speaker 1:They were maniosas. Those were the maniosas, okay, but it doesn't really have a sexual undertone to it, then it's just basically somebody that's trying to weasel their way into any type of situation.
Speaker 6:Well, it's someone that knows that they're doing wrong and they still continue to do it. So, yeah, it could have a sexual undertone if someone's being a manioso.
Speaker 1:But it's universal yeah. It doesn't have to do with that. It could be somebody maybe bluffing on their tax forms or adding a couple of zeros to their bank loan or something like that. I'm not speaking from a personal experience.
Speaker 6:Are you a?
Speaker 1:manioso, manioso. No, but a wink let's take it back, because we got off track with the manioso talk.
Speaker 6:Manioso, winks are for perverts. There, I'm going to say it.
Speaker 1:Okay. The only people that wink are perverts, but perverts have been known to stand the test of time.
Speaker 6:Because, look, because you're saying right now wink wink, like don't tell anybody wink wink, it's a manioso thing.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's a manioso thing. See, there you go.
Speaker 6:Okay, or you could be like hey, girl, wink, wink. I think.
Speaker 1:I am a manioso. No, no, not when it comes to that type of thing.
Speaker 6:Don't publicly say that you don't want to be a manioso, okay.
Speaker 1:That'll be a cool t-shirt. Who would buy a t-shirt that says manioso in there? Oh look it, Gordo Gordo. What if the homies wink at you? Yeah, there's a poll right there, dude.
Speaker 6:The homie winks at you. It's a manioso.
Speaker 1:It's a manioso.
Speaker 6:Why else would your homie wink at you?
Speaker 1:I don't know, maybe had too much mascara. What if the homie winks at you?
Speaker 6:and bites the lip. Definitely yeah.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's where it came from, Gordo are you trying to confess something to us? I know Jeez.
Speaker 6:Is this a known fact?
Speaker 1:This is a tell all of Gordo podcast.
Speaker 6:This is a safe space. You can tell us.
Speaker 1:It really is. So can we find out what the origin of the wink is?
Speaker 6:What is the origin of the wink right here? Whoa, do you see that?
Speaker 1:Okay, the sense to close an eye as a signal was first recorded around the year. What 100? Wait 1100?
Speaker 6:1100. Year 1100.
Speaker 1:While the figurative use of wink at meaning to close your eyes to something or ignore it deliberately dates back to the early 15th century, See, so it's holding something back, so you're hiding it like hey, don't tell anybody.
Speaker 6:Wink wink. Oh, so yeah, it's a manioso shit.
Speaker 1:It's a manioso activities.
Speaker 6:Gordo said I don't need help in caps, the homie isn't holding me hostage.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the homie. So he's being held hostage and he's saying, oh, I don't need help, so it's irony. He's showing some irony. I dig it, but we're too far away, so, and we're going to get through this podcast.
Speaker 6:Just stay on the line with us. Don't go anywhere. Wink, if you need help.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure in the near future they're going to have some type of like 911 type of technology that has that, because basically that's what's happening right now.
Speaker 6:They need that, because the other day I was on TikTok and this is not the first video that I see or that I hear of like 911 dispatchers being like fucking rude as shit, and I was just thinking to myself the other day.
Speaker 6:I was like why would it be rude if your sole job is to help? Like, obviously, people that call 911, yeah, there's a lot of 911 calls that maybe are not like life threatening, but the ones that are like like, yeah, you have to stay calm, you have to calm that person down, blah, blah, blah, whatever. But the video that I seen, or the audio recording that I heard, was this little girl calling a 911 dispatcher and they were saying she was saying she's like oh, I wanted to see if you guys can get a police officer out here and come into our house and check my brother's room. And the dispatcher was like why? What has he done?
Speaker 6:And she's like oh well, we think that he bought a weapon. We think he bought a weapon and my mother and I are scared because he's been very hostile towards us and he bought a weapon. And she's like okay, but what's the crime? She's telling the kid and the kid's like well, we're scared, like, can you just send someone? And she's like well, no, there's no crime, he hasn't committed a crime yet, so we can't send anybody. And that the little girl was like are you serious? And she's like yes, I'm serious.
Speaker 6:There's no crime that's been committed. Thank you, have a good night. And she hung up on her and then hours later, the brother calls in and says I want to report. I don't think he killed them, I think he just shot them. Yeah, and I was like that's fucked up.
Speaker 1:If anything, the dispatcher would be at fault for any type of crime, right?
Speaker 6:I don't know, I don't know, I don't know where it, when it becomes their fault. And then I seen another one where, like, the person was like fatally injured or something, and then they were being snappy with the dispatcher and he was like I don't like your tone, I'm hanging up, boom. And he hung up on him and he died. And that one, the dispatcher, got fired. I don't think any like like any charges were put or anything.
Speaker 1:That's terrible, isn't?
Speaker 6:that fucked up, that's messed up.
Speaker 1:I found some right here. Let me see if it'll.
Speaker 5:Name Nelly Stevens, please I don't want to die. You're not going to die. Hold on for me.
Speaker 1:Okay, for some context, this is a 911 dispatcher mocks drowning woman in her final moments. Oh sure, that's kind of terrible.
Speaker 5:I'm sorry, I didn't know the water. I couldn't see the water. When I came up on advantage I was having a heavy.
Speaker 3:On Saturday morning, Deborah Stevens was delivering newspapers on Kincaid Avenue in Fort Smith. At 4.38 am she called 911 after her car was swept into this creek. Now this is what the road looked like from the view of first responders.
Speaker 5:How long is it going to be, ma'am? My thumb's going to die and I can't charge it.
Speaker 3:The 911 call goes on. The dispatcher can be heard calling for officers and rescuers, but has a hard time finding the exact location. The dispatcher can be heard telling Debbie that she delivers papers and should know the area. Debbie's telling her that she can see people at nearby apartments.
Speaker 5:A lot of people have called in on you, so I don't think that nobody's just sitting there. They're not going to get their stuff in danger because you put yourself in danger. I'm scared. I've never had anything like this happen to me before. This will teach you next time don't drive in the water.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 5:Couldn't see it. Make him on the phone. I wouldn't know. I don't see how you didn't see it. He had to go right over it.
Speaker 3:There's also other 911 calls coming in that the dispatcher has to take.
Speaker 5:Call for Barlink for Highway 58 and 8. Okay, then I can cancel it.
Speaker 3:They got the wrong number.
Speaker 5:Thank you, oh, my God, ma'am, yes.
Speaker 3:At 5 am the 911 call is disconnected and rescuers are now in the water Right out there. All you can see left is the dead young light on it. Tonight the Forse Smith Police Interim Chief is speaking out about the dispatcher's call, saying he listened to it and that it's less than desirable.
Speaker 4:I will say the manner that she spoke during this conversation would probably have been addressed, but it would have been more of a rudeness. Quality of service type complaint.
Speaker 3:However, nothing will come of it. The Chief says the dispatcher put in her two weeks notice before this and that call came on her last day and final shift.
Speaker 4:Oh, investigate someone who no longer works here. However, investigation into our policies, our responses, our dispatch center. I've been in communication with the Fire Chief. We're looking at what we can do to maybe increase training.
Speaker 1:Dang, that is messed up. I get it If you give your two weeks at the local burger joint and you want to mess up somebody's order or you want to give extra combos to somebody in the drive-thru or give them extra cheese sauce or something but messing with the person's life.
Speaker 6:That's the, and I don't get it.
Speaker 1:On the two, on your last day, your last shift, that's.
Speaker 6:My brain doesn't register.
Speaker 1:What the heck.
Speaker 6:That's what I was telling my aunt earlier when we were over there, where I was telling her like I don't get how people are in the service industry and they're so fucking rude Excuse me, they're so frickin' rude, I don't get it.
Speaker 5:I don't get it.
Speaker 6:Like what in your life? And I get it. We all go through stuff and everything but like to be a bee on a daily basis. Like come on.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think, that's messed up.
Speaker 1:It is, and I get the scenario that I brought up about. You know, the service industry, that's whatever, that's service industry, bs. But at a job that's so crucial, like imagine if this lady worked for I don't know, pacific West, an airline company of some sort right, and it's her last, she put in her two weeks for her last day of work and she's in charge of I don't know flights and patterns and the way you know.
Speaker 6:And she strays them the wrong way and they crash, yeah.
Speaker 1:Or she's careless and something happens like that. That's crazy.
Speaker 6:But it's pretty much the equivalent. This is someone's life. This lady was in her car like freaking, sinking.
Speaker 1:And how can you be on the phone with somebody? And be heartless like that and still I have that attitude towards that Right, because people give up. Yeah, and it goes to show that you know people that I don't know. That's just crazy, because at the end of the day, it was just a job for her.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Whether the customer, client, business, whatever it was. Just another day in the life. Hey, this is my last time. I'm going to get my paycheck in the next couple of days. Within 72 hours, I'm going to Hawaii, it doesn't matter, you know.
Speaker 6:That's messed up, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:But the world's full of manuals. It's full of crazies.
Speaker 1:That's just. That's wild how that can happen. But there's, I don't know. These are like depressing.
Speaker 6:Don't play with them.
Speaker 1:No more.
Speaker 6:It's Friday.
Speaker 1:We're going to do some funny ones. How about funny 911 dispatches? How about?
Speaker 6:we change the subject. What would you talk about life threatening situation? Let's talk about the nitty gritty. Let's talk about what we're really here for.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about what happened, what is happening. If you haven't heard the cliff, it must be the cliff. If you haven't heard the clip that I played, or can you play it on the screen so we can get the visual up there?
Speaker 6:Sure.
Speaker 1:So we had the extreme pleasure of talking with Flyboy Inc. From Foo News Network last night and it was such an inspirational story. He gave a little bit about his background, how he got into the content creating business. We talked about elevating yourself. We talked about personal growth, growth with your brand, growth with your company. It was just an all around great, great, great, great show. This guy's been going viral for the past. What I want to say within this week?
Speaker 6:Well, the incident happened on Saturday, so, yeah, within these past couple of days, yeah, so let's play it. I hope that this back row is nice.
Speaker 1:That's how do I usually. You know, people are nice.
Speaker 6:She know the city.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, a business, a clothing line, a this or that? We're not just Jenny. It could be any young. She gets pregnant. Whether you hate it, love it, bro. Wouldn't you rather your daughter be like Jenny, 69 on her home, a young age, have a business, a clothing line, a this or that? We're not just Jenny. It could be any young woman who has made it her passion in life to succeed and has done that, and then, for just somebody who maybe hasn't had that success, come and just kind of put a rug from under you, bro. It's just, it's upsetting. It hurts me as a man, not just as a human being, but like as a influencer, as a content creator, as all these things, because I understand, I just got beat up myself, bro. It's not fair.
Speaker 1:That clip has fricking. It's crazy about the amount of comments, the different sides of the whatever totem pole or whatever we want to call this based on the situation. And I mean we, we slightly went into that in the episode Just for some context. You need to listen to that episode and hear his amazing story and with this clip it kind of just generalized the basic formality of the thoughts on the subject.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I had already seen it on on TikTok and all that, so it was kind of crazy to have him like right after the incident happened. But yeah, it's, it's crazy, our our comment section was blowing up. I think there's over like 600 comments of people having their opinion on the whole clip that you put there.
Speaker 1:There there's this crazy ones. It's like we were going over this on our way back from LA today and, just reading some of the comments, I haven't been able to read all 698 comments.
Speaker 1:All 698 comments. I won't do that, but that's just, it's so wild. How, how, something can I don't know. It's just, the internet is weird, like it's strange. The internet is strange and since we, we both, and most of our audience and most of MindBuzz universe has grown in the internet age, it's just, is this it? It should be natural, right, it should be something that we, we should all live with. But when, when it's you, it's totally different and I feel that that's just a another. Like I wonder if there's classes like that, you know. Like I wonder if there's certain things that people can take, that celebrities can take or or influencers can listen to. About the mental, how do we even know how to explain it?
Speaker 6:You know, like the the like the toll that all of that comes with.
Speaker 1:Like I want to say it's, it's close to abuse, but I don't want to say that because I feel that abuse has a negative connotation to it. But I it's a lot, and I think that was one of the questions that I did want to ask him is, or anybody any influencer is? How do you? How do you deal with that? You're like I'm pretty sure you don't have the notifications on your Instagram or your Facebook or your YouTube thing on.
Speaker 6:and to go into the comment section and I mean, there are some people that do it. It's just, it's one of those things that are hard. It's either like, like, oh, like I I can speak on like myself, right Um, like when, when the business first started and that we went viral, right, we went viral, we had lines out the door, everything. People were, um it love, oh, thanks, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6:Our, uh, social media presence was growing and, um, you know, with all the love that we had of people coming and showing up, we had a lot of hate as well. Right, we had people complaining, we had people talking about why our lines were so long and that they came and this happened, and then that, and that we're ripping off so and so and that we're not really doing Mexican churros, you know, and everyone has an opinion.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:Right and everyone thinks that they are the master at everything.
Speaker 1:I think it just it's the internet gave the regular person a voice.
Speaker 6:They gave them power in some sense, and and it's it's not always bad, right, it's not always bad. But what I'm getting at is that, as a business, at the beginning we were like, okay, well, let's see what people are saying, right, let's see what they're saying. And, yeah, we are new, we are, um, we don't really know what we're doing, you know. In that sense, so let's take this criticism as constructive criticism, and then it it like ate us up or it ate me up. I know my, for my sister as well to the point where it was all we could think about. It was all we could think about.
Speaker 6:And let's say that there was 500 positive comments but 10 negative ones, and those 10 negative ones were like the worst, you know, and you start like really really thinking of yourself as what these comments are, you know, and and and I can only speak on the sense of a business Now I can only imagine someone coming after you or criticizing you as a person. I think that's even worse because at some point I had to detach myself from reading those comments, from feeling like, you know, somebody said hey, girl number, oh, hey, alex, um, so I had to detach myself, and I was able to detach myself to know that I wasn't the business, you know. But I can only imagine someone like I said that, like Jenny 69, that they come after her character and that people are saying, oh, she's a bad mom, oh she's this, oh she's that, oh this, or you know, and it's like we don't even know them. Like, if you don't like them, then don't go on their feed, easy as that. Don't engage, unfollow, like.
Speaker 6:Everyone's life would be easier if we all stayed out of each other's business. But we want to be cheese muscles, yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's that, yes, I 100%. I get what you said, but also it's within our own culture, it's in the Latino culture, it's within these. She's a huge influencer, no doubt we can't. We can't say that she's not because she is. And if you're saying that she's not an influencer, then you're an idiot, because you should go and Google what an influencer is on social media and she is, by definition, a social media influencer.
Speaker 6:Yeah. Whether it's good influence or bad influence. Whatever you want to do, it's an influence.
Speaker 1:But I think that that right, a perfect example, that right there is a it's subjective.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, there's some. Just like, anything in this weird universe is subjective. Comedy is subjective. Form of entertainment is subjective. What I like is going to be totally different than what Amber likes, or whatever. Music is subjective. Yeah, but exactly what you just said. If you don't like it, then oh, oh wow.
Speaker 5:Yeah, tune, into something else.
Speaker 1:But if you're constantly there and listening and, and you know, commenting, even having bad thoughts, negative thoughts With an influencer, you're still a fan. Yeah right, yeah, you're still there, you're still listening. So that, what does that say? I don't know. Yeah that's pretty funny.
Speaker 6:So a Gordo said, haters will always try and get under your skin. Just know that people who are at the same level or above Yours won't hate on your progress. It's only people who are below your level who hate. Haters will always be your biggest fans. They always watch.
Speaker 6:And then Alex Alejandro, captain, also Alex said agreed with this conversation came right on time. Yes, you did, but it's true, and you and I have had this conversation of your circle, right, the people that you surround yourself and the way that If you have people and I know that it's gonna sound bad, but I mean I don't care, I'm just gonna but the people that you surround yourself, if those people are as successful as you are, or even more successful than you, there isn't gonna be that hate, there isn't gonna be that. That you know, competitive niveness it's. It's it's more of like Coming together and and when you have that circle of people that are Kind of think like you and on that level of yourself, that's when real growth happens within you, within them, within your circle, and it motivates you. You know and and it's true, like what Gordo said like like people that are at your level or or you know, in that Spectrum, like they're not gonna hate on you because they know what success is and they know what you know living or whatever success is in in your idea, right, but if people that hate are and it pains me to say it but people that hate are people that are Hating on the fact that they're not there or that they might not have what they actually want, right, and it's.
Speaker 6:It sucks that, instead of Uplifting people or saying, hey, you know what, that's cool, she did what she had to do. It doesn't matter if she's in a bikini, if she's anything, so what? But look at her. She has a house, she has, yeah, she has this like, like what? What do you have?
Speaker 6:so what yourself like you know it's, it's, to me it's, it's kind of Crazy, but I mean, it's just humans have been wearing swimsuits and getting famous for it for a millennia, for a Anderson, for a very long time.
Speaker 1:They've been doing that forever. So what? They come out with a music video and and music. So what? Yeah, if you don't like it, don't listen to it. If you don't want to see it, don't watch it.
Speaker 6:But I think it just it saddens me and it really pains me because even like for us, like again with the business, because that's the only thing that I can potentially Kind of compare to right but for us it was always our own people that had negative things to say. It was always Other Latinos that were putting us down that we're saying oh now you guys think you're your hot shit, or oh now, we know like no, no, we don't, you know.
Speaker 6:Like oh and oh because you have a line out the door now. Oh, you guys think that you're everything, and oh because you're doing this or because you were featured on here. Like that sucks, that sucks so bad because they they didn't know who we were, they didn't get the time to come and have a conversation with us.
Speaker 6:I know that we literally came from nothing and this is our dream and and that's another thing is that people don't understand that we're humans, that people you know it's a human error, like you've you've said before, and also like you don't know what their dream was and how hard they work to get there and you're just gonna be so quick and point out whatever flaw. You know that you want to and and dismantle someone like that. Like it's fucking horrible, it's, it's the worst feeling, honestly, ever and I know because I've been through it, and it's ugly and basically that's what fly boy said in the clip.
Speaker 1:In the middle of the clip he says that Pulling the rug right underneath her right, and that's what some people do. There's groups, I'm pretty sure that there's groups of of people that just and and I can attest to that right there is sometimes a group of people can. Their only common thing is Disliking something or someone. Yeah, right, it's a type of come on, come Rotary. Yeah, there is, but at the end of the day you got to think about it and it's kind of not good. It's really not.
Speaker 6:It's not. And and what is what is? Pointing out someone's flaws or something? What does that do for yourself? It makes you feel better, and I'm not gonna say that I'm perfect and that I've never done it Absolutely, you know, like you see someone I mean I can tell you an example like a pretty girl or something I'm just like, oh no, her nose is too big. Like. Or you know, I'm giving an example, but I'm saying like, like it's so easy for us to find a flaw Because it makes us feel better that we're not there or that we didn't have that body or we didn't have that success or anything. So you find the thing that you can see just on the surface and you cling on to that and that's.
Speaker 1:X, it's 2023. You can go down to TJ and get a body like that if you want.
Speaker 6:I know, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:No, I get it, but there's a lot of accessibility and that's the thing there, a Lot. There's some things that are accessible and I feel like I've been trying to beat the dead horse with this is there's things that are accessible and they're and I get it. Sometimes it may not be in the the right terms, but Often and I think fly boy talked about it too is that when people hate or dislike what you're doing, it's because they don't have the, the willpower, they don't have the. They don't. They just don't have the, the courage to step up and do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah so their reflection of their own guilt, they want to pass that on to somebody else. It's basically what it is hurt people, hurt people.
Speaker 6:I agree right and and I always, and I and I tell you all time, like I, I, as a person, have learned to not hate or, or Be resentful or hold any Any hate towards anyone or even wish any hate towards anyone, because the only thing that you do when you hate on someone is you waste your own energy. You're wasting your own energy by hating on someone that probably doesn't even fucking know you exist. Yeah and you're, you know, decaying yourself from the inside out. For what?
Speaker 1:Let's go to the comments. So let's see what people are talking about in the chat here.
Speaker 6:I will go here. It's about humbleness. We got to stay humble, says Alex 100% 100.
Speaker 1:We got to keep it 100 100. Stay humble.
Speaker 6:Gordo says show me your friends and I'll show you who you are.
Speaker 1:My mom used to always say that yeah, look at, he even translated it too. No, no, he didn't, I did, it's a different one.
Speaker 6:It's a different, so it's one says siempre hay un perro que va a querer tu eso, there's always gonna be a dog that wants your bone.
Speaker 5:Mmm.
Speaker 6:And then Alex says it takes humans wink, wink Once your bone wink, wink Alex said it's time to know their dream. But sadly it comes with hate and we got to learn how to accept. And don't take it to heart. Even I'm still, or I still am learning. That's what Alex said and then Gordo said agreed, señor Alejandro, agreed yeah agreed. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:That's crazy.
Speaker 6:You know, what's even crazier to me is that like, like, what fly boy is getting like this? Like I read in the comments and even like on some of his stuff, where people are saying like, oh, here's, I'm gonna say the word. I don't think that she's like that. Bernard says oh, oh, what's up, bernard? Is it Bernard oils? No, is that? Is that Bernard, bernard, bernard.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but what's up, bernard? How are you?
Speaker 6:whichever, bernard, you are, um, I I think what's crazy and like I was saying what he said before and then what I read in the comments. Oh, he said see, um, is that people are Seeing? Oh, he's captain save a hoe, or oh, he just did that because he wants to Getting good with her, like to me, I'm just like, are you fucking kidding me? Like If you see a person getting beat up on the street a person You're you're telling me that your humanly instinct is not going to try to help someone, that you're only gonna do it out of clout or to get a good video, or to something like how, how fucking rotten is your brain that you would think?
Speaker 1:that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 6:Like what, what do you do? Oh my god, she's getting beat up. Let me fucking go in there so that I can be go viral and that I can do this and do that. Like that's fucking dumb. It's like what did I tell you earlier? I was like damn if you do, damn if you don't.
Speaker 6:Yeah if he wouldn't have helped? What were they gonna say? Oh, you freaking Was, you didn't get in there and you didn't help. You were a man and you saw a girl get beat up, la, la, la la and he helped and he's getting crap for it. Like, come on, people, make up your fucking mind.
Speaker 1:Excuse me, sorry, dad you're gonna start cleaning up your vocabulary now?
Speaker 6:I know my dad listens now, as he should we've been waiting for his arrival for four years.
Speaker 1:We've we've anticipated for that.
Speaker 6:But I don't know, it's just me. I'm mad at that because again, people just want to have something to talk about. Yeah and to hate on that's messed up. I hope if you see me getting beat up you jump in.
Speaker 1:Uh, people watching in the chat. I did drop down the clip that we are talking about on instagram and if you're not following us on instagram, give us a follow and if you're not subscribed, subscribe to us on youtube. But they're just there's okay. So there's okay. He's doing it for cloud. He's doing it, uh, for this, to to uh make himself more. Uh, I don't know what would you say.
Speaker 6:I like just more, like a boy just doing it for cloud, right for cloud.
Speaker 1:That's what people are saying. Okay, there's also I'm like using that word.
Speaker 6:if I'm old, using it I think. I shouldn't use it. You feel too old for uh, what's a 90s word? To early 2000.
Speaker 1:Uh, he's doing it for uh to scam or is that 90s?
Speaker 6:He's the bomb.
Speaker 1:He's the? No, I don't think there's any. You know what that's strange? That's kind of weird because, of course, there was no word for it, because situations like this never happened in the.
Speaker 6:Yeah. Well, they did, but it was social media, but it wasn't to this extent how we are invested now. No, no, there was no going viral type of thing Unless you were-. Like on the news or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah unless you were somebody in Hollywood or Los Angeles or-.
Speaker 6:And going viral meant like going on every talk show. You know going on, Montal or-.
Speaker 1:Hey, but now viral is going on every podcast. Yeah, but there's okay. So there's people saying he's doing it for that. What other things are they saying in here?
Speaker 6:Let me see. Gordo said last Wednesday I stopped my girlfriend from getting down with some childish person and got my face smacked up. If you see anyone getting beat up, you try and stop it, absolutely, absolutely. That's the humanly thing to do, absolutely. And if you can't do that, then you're a fucking psychopath.
Speaker 1:Wait, hold on. I didn't get this story. Last Wednesday I stopped my girlfriend from getting down with a childish person.
Speaker 6:Gordo's girlfriend was gonna get down. Oh and he jumped in and he got slapped.
Speaker 1:Oh, he got slapped, okay.
Speaker 6:Dang it. Oh, you okay.
Speaker 1:He's gonna be our bodyguard when we go out. I will trust him as a bodyguard. You have no idea, I will.
Speaker 6:All right, you hired, he didn't even apply, yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, stuff like that happens all the time, If you see somebody that is about to endure some type of violence or physical violence.
Speaker 6:I told you the story right.
Speaker 1:You have to do that. And then, plus, he was talking about that, same thing happened to him just last week. Yeah, I guess he was at some event and the reason why I'm gonna talk about it is because he spoke about it last night on the podcast. Originally we were gonna have the episode with him the interview two weeks ago before we went to Ensenada, but I seen that that happened to him. 10 people jumped him. I think it was in San Bernardino. I'm not gonna give it a location because I don't know.
Speaker 6:Sorry, read the message he said, he charges one whole pizza for every three hours of service. That's fine, you got it. Little Caesars, here we come, you didn't say what kind you did.
Speaker 1:It could be hot pockets and I can see look at there go oh well, it's a whole pizza, but I would want some too. So I would get a good pizza that I would like. But, anyways, what I'm saying is so he got jumped by 10 people what? Two weeks ago? So he knows how it feels. He was in that same situation not too long ago. Who does that now, though. Who jumps people? I feel like that's like so much more than I thought.
Speaker 6:I feel like I'm gonna have to go to the next one who jumps people? I feel like that's like so 90s.
Speaker 1:What's up with you in 90s? You just-.
Speaker 6:Cause I keep thinking of just like the 90s, like who the fuck gang bangs and freaking jumps people nowadays? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:And especially influencers. How many followers does Jenny have?
Speaker 6:Like nine point something million, millions, yeah, millions. Oh, he was at a concert. Oh, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Who was oh?
Speaker 6:Alcohol is involved. There's puttassos. Yeah, alcohol is no bueno.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:For nobody.
Speaker 1:You don't see that happening at cannabis conventions. I just wanna add that in there.
Speaker 6:I don't know, I've never been.
Speaker 1:You don't see that happening. No one reads on the news One person jumped by 10 people, 10 stoners. That doesn't happen. That's just not even a thing, right? But so this guy. It happened to him and fast forward two weeks later and this happens again, this situation. He happened to be there. If he wasn't there or if he didn't protect Jenny69, then who knows what could have happened. Right, and you're watching the videos on TikTok. The egg goes way deeper, because that wasn't even the start of the physical violence.
Speaker 6:No Right, mm-mm, I don't know. It's crazy, though, and it just it saddens me. It saddens me as a community as that we just can't be happy for each other's success. I think, like there's this thing that says I don't know what it says exactly, but it was saying something like Mexicans, we're so smart, we're so creative, we're so this, but we're our worst enemy. Like if we and that's just me speaking on Mexican as a whole, but I'm sure, latinos and other subcultures and or other cultures, but within the Latino community we are, we are our worst enemies, and if we only came together and actually like supported each other, it we'll change the game.
Speaker 1:How would we begin to do that? How would it be Perfect example that's a great point to make if we all got together and did that. The reason why I've gotten contact with Flyboy and Foo News Network is because of Chicano Hollywood.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 6:Perfect example I agree, I think, because this is my theory. Right? This is my three years of psychology Theory.
Speaker 1:Three years of psychology and I'm glad that you were using all your expertise on this podcast.
Speaker 6:But my, my like, my assumption and my theory behind all of this is because I think that when we and this is me seeing like things within my family or within other people's family, right, this is my observation within my closed circle, so I can only talk about what I've observed. But I feel like when we come to this country, like when you come to this country, your mentality, especially even like crossing the border right, your mentality is survival. How am I going to survive? How am I going to either one get to my family on the other side, or two, how am I going to survive so that I can bring my family to the other side? So it's always an I, I, I, I thing right, you get here to this country, how can I get a job? How can I get a home? How can I right, because a lot of Latinos, yes, we come and we live with other family members or things like that but it's always an I thing right, how can I get this? How can I do this? How can I get the best job? And it's not always how can we right, and I'm going to give you an example like, like people from India, right, like, and I know it's like a stereotype where people are like, oh well, you know, all Indians own 7-Elevens or all Indians own convenience stores. Right, it's a stereotype, but it's true, right, it is something that's known.
Speaker 6:And the way that this happens is that, you know, people come from like India or from other countries. They come, they get here and even like, like Vietnamese people do this, right, and I talked to like someone that did it but they come from other countries. They come and they live with other people that migrated here, right? So they all live in one house and then they all work and work and work and put their money together and they open a business. So they open a business and they give that business to whoever was next in line, right?
Speaker 6:So then that person generates money, that person works and does that, and then it's a chain. So every time someone comes down, they work and work, and work and work, and then they open a business, it gets given to that family and then you're next on the list. So that's how they create success. They create success within themselves, within their culture, within their network, within their circle, and they put together their money, their work, their everything and they create success for themselves. And we don't. We only see ourselves as a single item. And you can't do things alone, and we've learned this you can't do things alone.
Speaker 1:I think that good point and I'm thinking that is it in our human genealogy to think about our own well-being? Or is there because before our our, the culture of just American culture, different cultures? How did our ancestors begin to like 2%? Right, it's 2%. Or 98% of our DNA is comparable to chimpanzee, right, they're the way they civilize themselves or the way that they live is community-based.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, and Neanderthals, and you know there's all these other ones that I can't think of, but I know that there was. It started as community. I mean, there was always this community. There was always you know X amount of people in it, and then some people branched out, but they never branched out alone. But I know that there is one subculture that were a little bit more on that lone wolf side. I don't know when it happened, but no, biologically we've always been together.
Speaker 6:And we've had this conversation, even of like, of like being an adult and having this whole thing of like you're 18 and you get the hell out of your parents' house and then, like you don't visit your family. You don't do this, you don't do that because you already have your own family and it's only you and your family and that's that's your, your nuclear family now, and everybody else is just second. You know, and it's like no.
Speaker 1:So wait, hold on. I have a question Is the nuclear family good, or is it bad, or is that? Is that a complicated question?
Speaker 6:I don't know, I guess it's. I mean, I don't know, I guess it depends on how you were raised.
Speaker 1:So it's a, it's a subjective. There's a subjective answer because it could come from any other way, any other, which way right?
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, but I, I is the nuclear family good.
Speaker 1:Anything nuclear is not good.
Speaker 6:I don't feel like we were meant to be alone. That's my honest opinion.
Speaker 1:Like you mean single people, Like people being single and living out the rest of their lives.
Speaker 6:Okay, but just in general, like I don't think that being alone or isolation or anything like that is good in any way for a person mentally, physically, emotionally.
Speaker 1:Oh being alone, Like being alone.
Speaker 5:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:All right, so I need to get some help then.
Speaker 6:Yeah, you need serious help, but I like being alone.
Speaker 1:I like uh stick sticking to myself. It doesn't seem that way, but we're not going to talk about my uh the rambling network.
Speaker 6:What I got going on? We're pack animals. And Alejandro said I agree on that. Amber, we are not meant to be alone. We're not yeah.
Speaker 1:I beg to differ.
Speaker 6:It's a community. We need to form communities. There we go.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, okay Okay.
Speaker 6:It's a community.
Speaker 1:We need to form more communities.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And there are communities, but also with with that, with communities, you need to have good communication within your community.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's it. And if you feel like I think that like hating somebody or or uh hating like a, uh, an influencer is just a, it's a reflection on yourself.
Speaker 6:Yeah, cause you're angry at what you don't have.
Speaker 1:Exactly, but yeah, I mean, we're good. Point of what Jaime said is that, uh, yeah, we are pack animals. I 100% agree with that, because in our weird chimp brain it's the community. Like we, we strived on community. I was reading in uh, what book was it? Uh, noah Noah Harari, noah Harari, the that book that, uh, that he read. You read it too.
Speaker 6:Oh, the sapiens.
Speaker 1:Yes, sapiens. So in that book he he talks about how early humans, how most like when a woman in the tribe had a baby you took the words out of my brain. I was thinking of that, the whole tribe helps raise the baby, raise the baby, and all the men, they all, oh, and that's a, that's another key.
Speaker 6:Are you on your period too? Yeah?
Speaker 1:It's coming. Ladies and gentlemen, it's coming. Mind buzz, yes, um, but okay, right, the, the whole community helps raise the child right and get this. Do you remember this part? All the men had sexual intercourse with the woman. What, okay?
Speaker 6:No, what are you trying to get at here?
Speaker 1:No, I'm just saying back back in those days. So all the men in the community had sex with the woman. So nobody knows.
Speaker 6:Whose baby it was.
Speaker 1:Whose baby it was. So they all treat. They all treat the child as if it was their own. That's a crazy one, Interesting. That's a crazy thing.
Speaker 6:So you're a community, huh, so you're like community, yes.
Speaker 1:We need to start communities. We need to start working on it. That's a that's a good premise.
Speaker 6:I like that. It's not, yeah, it is, stop it Anyways.
Speaker 1:But that's what I, that's what I got out of it, and that was the only thing you got out of it. No, not just that.
Speaker 6:Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1:No but.
Speaker 6:I, but I, I understand.
Speaker 1:I understand what you're saying, like the basis of it, right the it's. It wasn't just one singular person, and and their child and the man and again I go back to to present time and what.
Speaker 6:What a mother, a woman is expected to clean the house, cook, take care of children, do the bills, do this, do that, and all by herself, and if she even dares to get a nanny oh, someone's talking. Oh, she can't do it alone. Oh, she must, you know, be lazy. She must be this. And it's the fact that we think that everything is I, I, I. If you don't do it alone, you're not successful. If you didn't do it by yourself, you know you're a what do they call it? A NEPO, nepo babies. You know, like those people that say you know you had one foot in in the door already, like you, it's just, it's crazy, we're again, we're not meant to be alone and to succeed and to do things alone. We're just not I, and I don't think so.
Speaker 1:And this is a strange concept for humans, like how long has the internet been around, how long has fame been?
Speaker 6:around.
Speaker 1:If we're we're still stuck in the sapien subject of early humans, like how I bet, if you pulled, if you pulled an early human pre-technology and pre-buildings and and pre all the the normal technology that we have, if you had a time machine, went back, brought them back here to 2023 and try to tell them that there's this imaginary thing and there's these screens that we look at and people on there they talk and they talk to each other and this and that and the blue check mark. They'd fricking, lose their minds.
Speaker 6:They'd lose their minds. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:They will lose their minds. Why? Why are you guys fighting Like what, what? What's the deal? Where's the community here? Where's the community? I don't know? The community lady, right, if we brought a man he'd be like where's the community lady?
Speaker 6:But things aren't gonna change until we open our eyes and see that it's not I, I, I.
Speaker 1:Say that again.
Speaker 6:I said things aren't gonna change until we open our eyes and see that it's not just I, I I that it should be we, it's not I.
Speaker 1:Okay, there's no I in team. We gotta shout out the team.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and Alex said that's why I say we are got the nation. I am all for building a community, Absolutely.
Speaker 1:That's what it's about. It's a shameless plug, Alex.
Speaker 6:Good luck tomorrow, alex, by the way, oh yeah, good luck tomorrow, dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm excited, hopefully, hopefully you go. You go live on your, on your feet, so we can see what's going on, take pictures. I'm excited to see how all that's coming up. So.
Speaker 6:Yep, absolutely so if anyone wants to join our community. I'm just kidding, we turn into a cult.
Speaker 1:Welcome to the mind buzz cult.
Speaker 6:Hey, but I kind of kind of I don't wanna get into the rabbit hole of cult, but now I kind of see why people join cult. I'm being serious, I kind of get it now, oh my God. Because they can't find community within their own family, so they search for community somewhere else. What it's true? It's true, though.
Speaker 1:Join the mind buzz universe. That's the first step. The first step was making the podcast.
Speaker 6:We'll be selling purple jumpsuits on our website.
Speaker 1:What would be the ideal cult outfit for us? What would it be Like? A band t-shirt, jeans and vans, and checkered Checkered vans black and white ones, and then once in a while, like pajama pants. Pajama.
Speaker 6:But not to sleep, just to wear.
Speaker 1:Imagine we just have all the men wear Ray-Ban glasses and shave their head. So shaved head, ray-ban glasses, band tee jeans and checkered vans Checkered slip-on vans.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:That would be it. So we touched on it a little bit and then we'll close it out. I just I want to talk about your cult thing. She's been mind buzzed universe. She's been on this cult thing for how long has it been?
Speaker 6:No, just recently.
Speaker 1:Go ahead and.
Speaker 6:I binge watched it all yesterday.
Speaker 1:You watched all of it.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I wasn't that many. It was like four episodes.
Speaker 1:Can you pull it up? Can I want to? Maybe it's like trending right now.
Speaker 6:It's called twin flame universe.
Speaker 1:Twin flame universe. That's why she doesn't like the mind buzz universe thing, because it reminds her of the cult.
Speaker 6:See, it's this one.
Speaker 1:Desperately seeking soulmate. It's basically a podcast, if you think about it.
Speaker 6:So they started selling. They started selling like tutorials and like like, not tutorials like seminars on YouTube, and then they would have like chat discussions with I don't want to give away too much, but I guess I guess I could talk about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, talk about it, just peak the interest a little bit. And I want to hear your thoughts on it because I think it's fucking nuts, but it was good.
Speaker 6:It made for good TV. But apparently this couple here are the ones that put this all together. I guess he has a background in like business, so he's always wanted to be like rich or like business savvy. So he tried multiple like businesses until this one hit. So twin flame is not like a word coined by them, it's, it's a noise.
Speaker 1:What noise Is it me? Is it?
Speaker 6:my ears or me. Oh, you know what it's the computer. That's fine, anyways.
Speaker 1:Whose computer Yours.
Speaker 6:Yeah, my desktop.
Speaker 1:What is it doing?
Speaker 6:Like you know, like when it overheats type of thing, the fan went on, but nothing's hot. Anyways, what am I talking about? Oh, yeah, so finally he does this right. And twin flame is like a it's already a word that just pretty much goes on the kind of the radar of like your soulmate, right, but it's like higher than a soulmate, it's like someone that's just like you're forever person, you're forever flame, like you always compliment each other on every aspect of the humanly possible experience, right. So that's a twin flame. So so these people are pretty much pretty much started doing these seminars on how to coach you. So it's coaching, right.
Speaker 6:So, how to coach you on finding your twin flame, so finding the person that's exactly for you. So they started out like just a couple people here, a couple people there. I think like at their highest peak they would have like 38,000 people sign on. Whoa.
Speaker 1:Yeah 38,000.
Speaker 6:38,000 people sign on at one time, that's some good marketing. Yeah, and then they would charge like $200 a month. So what do the math? 200 times 30,000. Are you doing the math? No, I'm not.
Speaker 1:Okay, so 200,000, you said.
Speaker 6:No $200 a month 200, okay. Times 38,000.
Speaker 1:38,000. One, two, three, zero.
Speaker 6:So that's $7,600 a month.
Speaker 1:Is that 7 million or 7,600,000?
Speaker 6:No, it's 7 million, 7,600,000.
Speaker 1:That's insane.
Speaker 6:Yeah, so they were making that much money, that's insane.
Speaker 6:Yeah, a month off of people. So they were, you know, getting their twin flames and whatever. To make a long story short, there was a few people that found their twin flame within the community and they weren't happy. They were really depressed and they kept telling them no, this is your twin flame Like we know it is Like we're the only people that can tell you that that's your twin flame. And they were staying in because they wanted to be part of the community. They didn't want to, you know, break that.
Speaker 6:And people were like, oh, my God, we want to have what you have. So they started second guessing themselves and then they started doing this thing called like a mirror exercise, that supposedly is known to like, really, really like, dismantle you as a person. And it's pretty much saying like, okay, like, let's say, you were who I thought was my twin flame and you were like, oh, I don't want to be with you. This is just too soon. I'm not into you as much as you're into me. So then I would do this mirroring exercise where I would be like okay, amber, why doesn't he want to be with you? Well, he doesn't want to be with you because you're fat and you don't want to be with you.
Speaker 1:Wait, hold on. So they basically. So all this is going on through like a Zoom call, right? So they have those two people that host it and the couple.
Speaker 6:And then no, they have those two people that host it and then all these people that join. But then, yeah, there was two people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, say they matched us right. And you're saying, gil, I don't want to. This guy stinks Like. I don't want him to be my flame.
Speaker 6:Yeah and I'm like no he's your flame. Trust us. Trust us, and maybe you're not in love with him now, but you're going to be in love with him later.
Speaker 1:And through this period of therapy, what do they call it?
Speaker 6:Like coaching.
Speaker 1:Like coaching, so when happens, then Nothing, they just keep coaching you.
Speaker 6:And then they were recruiting these people to recruit more people. So they could be like hey, look at us, look at me and Gil, like we made it, we found our twin flame and we know that this works. So then more people were finding their twin flame, finding their twin flame or trying to find their twin flame, because there wasn't that many people that did. And the guy, the main guy, at some point was like oh, I'm Jesus, look. And he would put pictures of like it's always Jesus.
Speaker 6:Yeah, he would put pictures of Jesus and then pictures of himself and he's like, look, I'm an exact replica of him. So, anyways, he just started thinking that he was like high and mighty. And then he would like verbally abuse people. He would like he would tell the people in his coaching, like pretty much telling them like it's okay to stalk people, like you have to be persistent. You have to be persistent, like people that are persistent are people that get what they want. A lot of these people in their coaching things had restraining orders.
Speaker 1:This guy was telling people to stalk.
Speaker 6:To stalk.
Speaker 1:Their twin flame. When yes.
Speaker 6:Multiple, multiple people had restraining orders.
Speaker 1:That is nuts.
Speaker 6:There was a girl that actually went to jail because she violated her restraining order.
Speaker 1:People are crazy.
Speaker 6:Yeah. So then whatever right this happens. And then at some point they noticed that there was an influx of women right and not men, so there was hardly any men in this program.
Speaker 1:So at some yeah, of course, because if you're gonna go through like a hetero program, there should be for every woman, there should be for every man, right?
Speaker 6:But obviously I mean statistically or whatever right Women are always. We're always the ones seeking love, right, more than like a man and things like that. So we're gonna put ourselves out there more than men would.
Speaker 1:I could see that.
Speaker 6:So at some point people were getting angry because they're like well, I've been in here for X amount of time, I've paid X amount of money and I haven't found my twin flame. Like what's going on. So people started kind of like questioning this whole thing.
Speaker 1:They're like oh my God, like they're. I'm doing all this money, doing all this stuff and-. Yeah absolutely what's going on.
Speaker 6:So then, what these fools did-.
Speaker 1:Well, duh, they gotta protect their $7 million.
Speaker 6:Yeah. So what these fools did was they started telling people, women, that some of them had a divine masculinity in them and some had a divine femininity in them. So they were saying like, let's say, you and I right, we're both women and they're like, hey, gil, like I sense more of a masculine presence in you, so we, you're in the wrong body and we're gonna now test you know-.
Speaker 1:So who are they telling? They're telling me this or you this.
Speaker 6:You, but you're a woman biologically.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm a woman.
Speaker 6:Yeah. But they're telling you, hey, we see some masculinity in you and we think that you're in the wrong body. And we know you're in the wrong body because the divine, whatever told us and so we're gonna refer to you as he, him, and you're like no, like I'm a woman, I'm not into women. And they're like trust us, trust us, like we're gonna help you find your twin flame. And then they go and they match you with me and I'm like, no, no, no, I'm not into women. And they're like no, but Gil's a man. So they were turning all these people, all these women, into men. So they were telling them like, hey, you're in the wrong body. So they were pretty much transitioning them without them wanting to transition. And they got so into their brain, like so psychologically, that a lot of them had actual surgery to have, like top surgery or even bottom surgery, like and all from this fucking guy.
Speaker 1:Like vice, like hold on? Was it majority of women transitioning?
Speaker 6:to men. It was women transitioning to men. Yeah, because they were telling them like, oh, while your twin flame is here, but it's a woman, so we sense that you're more of a man than a woman, so you're now going to transition into a man. So that way their ratio was equal, so they had a woman and men now. So there's a lot of parents, a lot of moms, that come out on the show and they're like fighting and they're like, hey, like we haven't seen our kid in years. We heard that they transitioned and we just wanna see our kids.
Speaker 1:That's just wild. Oh, I heard my daughter transition Like with them.
Speaker 6:And they're just saying like we know, we know that they wouldn't do that. So they also were brainwashing people into like believing that they had like SA, had been SA'd when they were children, like assaulted, and they were like, no, I wasn't. And then at some point they were like, yeah, you were Like that's why you're fucked up.
Speaker 1:So it was like a lot of brainwashing A lot.
Speaker 6:So at some point they had this lady that was like towards the top and she was like some kind of specialist within, like what is it called? Like to seek, like it's not secret service but within the CIA. No no, no, no, no, within, like Marines, and what is it called? What is it called?
Speaker 1:The Marine Corps.
Speaker 6:No, but what are they called?
Speaker 1:Navy SEALs? What are they called? As a whole the military.
Speaker 6:Military, so I don't know exactly what. So she would use tactics that they would use on, like people from the military, and they would use it on them. Yeah, that's crazy. Whoa and multiple people have called the cops to go investigate to tell them that they're holding people hostage.
Speaker 1:Wait, so the person with the military background. They were part of the-.
Speaker 6:Yeah, she joined years later and she was part of, like, the coaching.
Speaker 6:Oh, so she's the one that started telling them that thing that I'm telling you that they called mapping.
Speaker 6:So they would like sit down and then like, okay, close your eyes. And then they'd be like, okay, well, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, tell me about this. Like almost like if they were going through therapy and she was like the therapist but she was telling them things that didn't exist. Like she had told that girl like, oh, yeah, you were assaulted by, like you know, sexually assaulted by someone in your family when you were little. And she's like, no, I wasn't. And she's like, yeah, you were. Like, like, I can feel it, I can see you struggling and this is why you can't find your perfect person, because you're holding back and blah, blah, blah, and then at some point they say that they would hold them there in those therapy sessions until they said, yes, you're right. So at some point imagine if you're in there for 20, 24 hours, whatever X amount of hours it's like you get tired and you're just like at some point like, yeah, fuck it, ah, that sucks yeah.
Speaker 6:It's a crazy documentary. It's on Netflix right now.
Speaker 1:That. So this Twin Flame is on Netflix right now and it's trending, Yep.
Speaker 5:Yep.
Speaker 2:Watch it.
Speaker 6:So they're still continuing their business, they're still going strong.
Speaker 1:They're still in. Well, that's $70 million, not 70 million. The 7 million.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and they can't shut them down because they're not proving that they're doing anything wrong. There's no money laundering, there's nothing.
Speaker 1:There's absolutely nothing, it's pretty legit.
Speaker 6:It's legit.
Speaker 1:It's pretty legit.
Speaker 6:I mean, obviously they're not doing anything because it's like you're at your own free will.
Speaker 1:But can they leave?
Speaker 6:Yeah, but they're like blacklisted or something. But yeah, there's a lot of people that left. So a lot of people on the documentary are people that left and they're talking out.
Speaker 1:You'd figure, if somebody is trying to talk you into a huge life changing experience that you don't want to do, that you would think yeah, I don't know if this is for me.
Speaker 6:No, but it's psychological and it's also where you are mentally with yourself. And again, that's what I was saying earlier Like okay, now I can see why people join Colt. Because if you feel, if you long for the sense of community and you don't have it within your circle or within yourself, you're gonna go look for it and depending on how crazy the whatever you're looking at, and if it seems kind of, yeah, but even being in there and you're like oh, community love, I want to find my perfect person and I'm gonna do anything in my power to find them.
Speaker 1:That's basically the translation is person is just looking for love.
Speaker 6:Yeah, so that's what they're saying, like how horrible that these two people are exploiting these people when all they want is to be loved, and it's like the total, fucking opposite.
Speaker 1:Yeah and they're using their militarized experience to get 7 million. I'm still stuck in the $7 million. So who pays for the transitions?
Speaker 6:They do the people.
Speaker 1:They do.
Speaker 6:They a few like the first ones. This the people, the Twin Flame people paid for it.
Speaker 1:So they're paying for this.
Speaker 6:Yeah, not for everybody, but yeah, for a few people. Yes, wow, and you're right, alex, nobody is perfect. We're all learning humans. I agree, we're all humanists. So a takeaway from this show is just be nice. Just be nice people and just be happy for people's success. And not everyone's success is gonna look the same, but to them success is success. Waking up, frickin', making breakfast or whatever it is can be someone's success and just be happy for them. Yeah, don't be a goddamn hater.
Speaker 1:And on that note, if you don't like that, join the cult. Thanks, guys. Do we have anything coming up?
Speaker 6:No, but thank you for everyone that came on our live and interacted with us and said hi and had something to say, had something to say, hopefully next week when we do this, I will have the phone connected.
Speaker 1:I do wanna get some phone calls. I do wanna do that and I think I don't have. We have the technology for it and it's gonna happen. But watch out for the post about the West Coast Pop-Lock podcast and some things going on Over there.
Speaker 5:Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1:That will include me, maybe Boom what else do we got. Can we just do karaoke of that?
Speaker 6:Bernard. No, I don't think he's on anymore.
Speaker 1:No, that's fine, he's listening, he's listening. Don't forget to follow the MindBuzz on Instagram. We have a YouTube channel. If you are a die-hard audio person, go to our Instagram, go to our link, mindbuzzorg. Check out what we have. We're on Spotify, apple Podcast, twitch. Well, no, not Twitch. I was gonna say, yeah, there's another podcast, but it's podcast provider, but it's not. I was gonna say Stitcher. I like a Stitcher.
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Speaker 1:Stop streaming Jesus Bye.