Hari Sama is film director and musician of their latest project Noble Savage. @deafproducciones.mx
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As the echoes of our Delic Comedy live event still resonate with laughter and camaraderie, Amber B and I circle back to this unforgettable night. We unpack the riotous joy and elbow grease that sculpted such an uproarious affair, with shoutouts to Johnny C of West Coast PopLock podcast, Johnny Gold from Inland Empire, and the sonic waves of our house band, Heroes Del Sol. Our post-show unwind? Picture us frolicking with dogs on a Sunday, a snapshot of the whimsy and warmth that fuels the MindBuzz podcast.
Strap in for a sonic pilgrimage to Mexico in the 1980s, where goth rock reverberated against political tensions and gave voice to a vibrant, defiant artistic and LGBTQ community. My own teenage years, cradled by the sounds of Joy Division, guide us through shadowy corridors as we reflect on the unexpected diversity of Mexican music genres, from post-punk to Latinx expressions. The necessity of Latinx voices in art isn't just a point of pride—it's a resounding truth we celebrate, especially when the language of music transcends borders and unites us in a melody of shared experience.
We tie the threads of our conversation with introspection on how creativity acts as both a balm and a beacon through life's storms. The pandemic's silver lining? A chance to excavate our personal shadows and channel them into artistry that's as raw as the human condition itself. From Noble Savage's danceable beats to anticipated film projects, Amber and I are stoking the fires for more MindBuzz experiences—your invitation to the fusion of sound, soul, and the stories that compose our collective tapestry.
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"King without a Throne" is performed by Bad Hombres
King without a Throne Official Music Video
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King without a Throne
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Hari Sama is film director and musician of their latest project Noble Savage. @deafproducciones.mx
https://www.youtube.com/@NobleSavageband
As the echoes of our Delic Comedy live event still resonate with laughter and camaraderie, Amber B and I circle back to this unforgettable night. We unpack the riotous joy and elbow grease that sculpted such an uproarious affair, with shoutouts to Johnny C of West Coast PopLock podcast, Johnny Gold from Inland Empire, and the sonic waves of our house band, Heroes Del Sol. Our post-show unwind? Picture us frolicking with dogs on a Sunday, a snapshot of the whimsy and warmth that fuels the MindBuzz podcast.
Strap in for a sonic pilgrimage to Mexico in the 1980s, where goth rock reverberated against political tensions and gave voice to a vibrant, defiant artistic and LGBTQ community. My own teenage years, cradled by the sounds of Joy Division, guide us through shadowy corridors as we reflect on the unexpected diversity of Mexican music genres, from post-punk to Latinx expressions. The necessity of Latinx voices in art isn't just a point of pride—it's a resounding truth we celebrate, especially when the language of music transcends borders and unites us in a melody of shared experience.
We tie the threads of our conversation with introspection on how creativity acts as both a balm and a beacon through life's storms. The pandemic's silver lining? A chance to excavate our personal shadows and channel them into artistry that's as raw as the human condition itself. From Noble Savage's danceable beats to anticipated film projects, Amber and I are stoking the fires for more MindBuzz experiences—your invitation to the fusion of sound, soul, and the stories that compose our collective tapestry.
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"King without a Throne" is performed by Bad Hombres
King without a Throne Official Music Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNhxTYU8kUs
King without a Throne
https://open.spotify.com/track/7tdoz0W9gr3ubetdW4ThZ8?si=9a95947f58bf416e
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Speaker 1:Wow, that was quite an introduction.
Speaker 2:I thought I had to spice it up a little bit.
Speaker 1:Thanks, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:What's going on? How are you? Thanks for being here.
Speaker 1:I feel 100% now. Last time I felt like dog shit.
Speaker 2:We were both. You were dog shit. I was the dried up piece of cat poo on the playground.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was bad, we couldn't catch a break, but I felt great. I felt good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm good, we're all feeling good here. We're back for another episode of the MindBuzz podcast. We just got done with the stacked weekend, both you and I. Friday night was the pilot episode of Dalit Comedy, which is the open mic showcase and live podcast in the city of Paramount. It was amazing. It was awesome. All the comics were amazing. The two guests host shout out to Johnny C from the West Coast PopLock podcast. Thank you, buddy, for coming out and doing the podcast with me. And also the IE legend, the Inland Empire legend, johnny Gold, was on fire that night and it was great. And I just want to thank everybody that came together to do this podcast live in front of a studio audience. It was great, it was awesome. And Ricky, thank you for helping me out and being part of it. And then, of course, jay, if I don't, he's going to smack me around if I don't thank him. So thank you, jay, for your help too. On the Thursday night before.
Speaker 1:It was such a great event. I'm really really proud of you. I know how much effort and work and sweat and tears it took to do that and I know people see it and they probably think like, oh, that's cool, but that's it.
Speaker 2:Hey, if I get a one, hey, that's cool, it's cool with me. I like that.
Speaker 1:No, but we, you know people don't see the amount of time and effort that it takes to put any production together. Nonetheless, something that's live, something that's recorded both audio and visually, and you did it all.
Speaker 2:I can't take any credit this time, because I don't do anything. So congratulations. I wanted you behind the board at some point, but I know, but we both couldn't be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we couldn't. We both couldn't be behind the camera because it was a lot To do. A live podcast in front of us, an audience is that is. That is awesome, like it's it takes. It's a whole new, different type of stress level and you're, you have to perform, be able to perform and uh and entertain for the most part, right. So it was cool. And then also a shout out to Edwes Del Sol for being the house band. You guys did an awesome job. We had about a 20 minute rehearsal for a two hour show and you guys, you guys nailed it. It was awesome. Everybody did their part and it wasn't just me, it was. It took, uh, took a group of us to to produce something awesome.
Speaker 1:And my dad, if my dad's listening. Yes, the stage.
Speaker 2:Umberto, you and your construction company coming out on on, uh, that day to the day before, and then weeks, I think just weeks, in planning. This thing took weeks of planning, of getting the people together, of ticketing of um, promotion and stage construction, your mom helping out with the cortinas. It was just, it was a huge effort from from everybody.
Speaker 1:And I appreciate it. You just need a Mexican family and need a Mexican family that's why we know how to do everything to conquer the world.
Speaker 2:You got somebody in your family that knows how to do something.
Speaker 1:Sure do Right, sure do yeah.
Speaker 2:So shout out to uh or Chathiria for hosting uh the location, uh the gallery. I just really appreciate it. I'm excited for the next one, oh yes. So, uh, clips will be going out for the next couple of weeks. I have it scheduled to premiere on YouTube, so go to it. It's going to be hosted on the Mind Buzz Media channel, so go to Mind Buzz Media on YouTube and, uh, click the the reminder button for March 12. So that's Tuesday, March 12th, at 6pm. We are going to premiere Dalit Comedy. There you go, that's it, yeah, Anything else.
Speaker 1:No, oh, we, we got to see and play with dogs on Sunday. Oh yeah, that was a serotonin boost.
Speaker 2:It was a serotonin boost we needed for the the crazy Friday and Saturday that we had. Yeah, but much needed serotonin boost. We got to have animals running around in the the gallery. It was awesome that was great, it was a good time. Yeah, overall it was.
Speaker 1:And I learned that I needed like 20 pounds to keep up. Right, exactly so it was a great revelation.
Speaker 2:I was hurting on Saturday.
Speaker 1:I was hurting every day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm still hurting. My shoulder was just terrible. Like my shoulder is not the same.
Speaker 1:It's like when you drink and you get hangovers, but it was like you work and you just like can't recuperate. It was not fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but um anything else, before we get into today's guest Cause, he's I'm good, I'm ready, I'm ready for today's guest.
Speaker 1:We're excited, you're ready.
Speaker 2:I'm so excited too, cause he's he's a film director, he's a musician, he goes by Noble Savage, but his name is Hadi, and thanks for being here.
Speaker 3:I'm so excited to be here. Really, it's a it's a privilege for me to be here with you guys.
Speaker 2:No, the privilege and pleasure is all ours. We're just going through your page earlier today and if, amber, you can bring that up, because the aesthetic and just the art that you have on your page is phenomenal, oh well, you know, it's a big part of what this project is about.
Speaker 3:Um, we, we try to bring a little concept behind everything we do and, you know, we, we, we kind of take pleasure in that. So we're having fun with the whole concept. And, um, we're very happy with the last video, for sure, that's something that really blew our minds. I, I did not direct that one, that was directed by, um, um cup of Mexican couple, uh, that are, you know, directors, field and surdo, that's Mariana right there, and so, yeah, I think they made a fantastic job. I kind of produce for them, but, uh, but yeah, um, that's, that's part of our world, kind of.
Speaker 1:That's so cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, everything looks amazing.
Speaker 1:Thank you guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, look at that. Yeah, just the aesthetic. And then your music is very awesome too. I love it.
Speaker 1:I was hoping you were going to come in looking like this. I should have, I should have Typically.
Speaker 3:that's the real, noble savage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the shadow. Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 1:It like scares me, but in a good way. So I was like I don't know what we scared of him when he gets here. But then you got here and I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Just the normal man.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Uh, usually, when uh, we, we find musicians and they want to come on and do the podcast, or we reach out to them Uh, we are in hopes that they show up like they do in their music video, or we ask, we ask each other uh, I wonder how, uh, I wonder how they're going to show up.
Speaker 3:And then, of course, you have the kiss poster. Oh yeah, who are the kings of this?
Speaker 2:I'm a huge, I'm a huge kiss fan. I love kiss. Uh, hopefully I'm able to to see them before, before they stop touring, but I think they're going to be. They're going to be one of those bands that are like, uh, like the Rolling Stones that probably never right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so who are some of your inspirations when it comes to music and writing music and producing it?
Speaker 3:Well, I, um, I was a teenager in the eighties and I did. I had a band in Mexico city in the eighties in Spanish, kind of a more more of a goth, darker sort of you know rock band. Um, and Okay, yeah, way to go. I I met a film called this is not Berlin that has to do with the whole, like artists, postpunk scene in Mexico City during the 80s and I I was very fortunate with that film. I really I the world premiere wasn't at Sundance in 2019 and I toured the world pretty much with that Film and I realized that there was a lot of younger, there was a really big younger crowd that were listening to dark wave and cold wave and and that's my thing, you know, the whole Darker dance 80s vibe. That's what I love the most.
Speaker 3:And so I realized that I had to start making Music again and that I that that was my thing and that I, I, I went back to the studio the Polycom brothers, who you usually play with me, are the producers of this project and we started playing around with sounds. I wanted kind of like a weird mixture of a very sort of dark wave, as I said, dance 80s music with kind of a disco thing, more of a. You know, bronski beats kind of vibe. So we we started playing with things that had to do with those two worlds and this is what we found kind of. So is this the film?
Speaker 2:that's the film.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is not Berlin.
Speaker 2:This is, this is not Berlin and it's.
Speaker 3:This is not Berlin, because it was Mexico City. That's like the the joke behind it, because we, we there was a very small underground scene. Not a lot of people know that Mexico City. Well, mexico as a country was going through a dictatorship in a very Mexican way, because to the outside world it was like oh, there's democracy and we welcome the left-wing people that are coming from Argentina and Chile and other countries. But the truth is that it was a dictatorship and they were killing their own sort of Communists and in their, in their own way. And we, we couldn't. We didn't have rock, it was forbidden.
Speaker 3:We could really yeah, younger crowds could not gather only for soccer games. So there was a small community doing art and doing music and very, very in a very underground World, and that's what the film's about that community the, the LGBTQ community doing art in the 80s in a very small venue. That was completely out of the radar for most people.
Speaker 2:So this came out in 2019, was it it? Was it set in 2019?
Speaker 3:or was it set in the 80s?
Speaker 2:Oh, it's set in the 80s, yeah so this is not Berlin, meaning it's it's happening in Mexico City, but right we're kind of emulating what was going on in Berlin and New York City gotcha.
Speaker 3:But we're Mexico. We have to now, of course, mexico City is it's, it's Berlin, but it wasn't yeah, it wasn't in those Times we really couldn't do anything.
Speaker 2:What was it like as an artist?
Speaker 3:It was funny because we really I was very cool because it was a super small community, if you will. So you knew a lot of people. We sort of all appeared in the I Don't even know how we made it through, like, oh, there's gonna be a exhibit with a band playing in downtown in an abandoned building. So I guess we called each other by phone because there was no, you know, there was no social media or cell phones. So you, just, we, just it just happened and we were there and most of the same people were in the same parties and the same exhibits and really young, the younger crown didn't have a place to Do music or exhibit their work as an artist. So this was all happening in parties and you know, underground exhibits and it was, I guess, very cool. It was like a very tiny New York City, if you will, a tiny New York City.
Speaker 3:Yeah or or, as a Spanish said, because I I Release the film in Spain, and then we had a theatrical release in the US as well, and in Spain, though, they had a big thing in the 80s called la movida, which was this huge underground artistic thing going on, much larger than ours, but they, when they watch this is not really war like, oh, this is like la movida. Nobody's done a film about that. I'll do it.
Speaker 1:You know what like you're talking about, kind of like a small scene and things like that. Like for me, what, what I, what I keep Like, I guess, finding out because my, my father's from Sinaloa. So Sinaloa, you know, in that region it's mostly Vanda, norteño, you know there's not really any bands that come out like you know, like rock, or you know 80s punk or anything like that. And then in in Senada it's even a smaller subculture and and to me to, to hear, like, like you know, like you, or even the band we had before that you know, came from Mexico and and these scenes are in Mexico, like you know, these music and these different Subcultures and these things like, to me it's like I'm, I'm, I'm discovering it, you know, for the first time, because it's it's not something that like, yeah, you have, like you know, music in Spanish that like Romantic as your balladas or your pop or things like that.
Speaker 1:But that's what I hear mainstream, or I heard mainstream in in, like in the radio. So to see, like yourself, like your music, or even you talk about, like you know, mexico in the 80s, like to me it's like, wow, like. I forget that Mexico has so much more to give. And there was still all these types of music coming out, not just Northeño band, and you know absolutely Vicente Hernandez like.
Speaker 3:There's just way more to it as far as like music and something that marvels me really is that this genre, which is really a very big genre that it, that houses a lot of different things from More 80s, got the texture of music and a lot of new Darkwave bands like, I don't know, dram Majesty or boy harsher, or even soft moon, who died recently, and A lot of them are Latinx people from Mela. There's a very big community here that is, you know, playing around. This Sounds electronic sounds with a darker edge, with a dance purpose, and that marvels me. You know, I, I, I always go to this festival in Pasadena, cruel world, I, I'm a regular. It's coming in May. I'm very excited and it marvels me to see that half the people there are people from our community here in in Los Angeles. Most of them are Latinx. It's, it's, it's I don't know why they're. We've embraced the sounds and this sort of underground vibe and this Painting or nails black and this whole thing. It's, I don't know, germans and and Mexicans, yeah, funny.
Speaker 1:It's very cool two of the greatest drinkers in the world Together.
Speaker 2:For music so what's the what's the German Background to it is that where the music derived from.
Speaker 3:I think there was a lot of stuff going on, both in the well us Britain, obviously, and then there was Berlin, like an island, like a creative island in the 80s, where David Bowie went and lived and Nick Cave went and they were producing all sorts of of music.
Speaker 3:And there was this incredible people like Bleak subarguelt from and stood, send and about and starting the whole industrial movement, and they were their own island over there.
Speaker 3:And I think and I think pretty much Germans love this electronic varies, you know, robots like futuristic sort of vibe, which is also kind of military in a way, and I think that permeated into everything that was going on in the 80s and and influenced it and and then they were as well influenced by what was going on in New York City, in London and and everywhere else, you know, and and became a big thing and I'm get, I'm just, yeah, kind of guessing, but that's how it, that's how it feels. And then there was big Synthwave bands like Wolfsheim and and and one, and you know a lot of Music that was being heard in the venues in those years and still now in the underground venues that have to do with this genre are German or or Dutch or whatever, or Belgian, you know it's so cool how music and art and culture is is a is a product of the environment, right, or product of the time or product of what is going on and that specific region in the country it's.
Speaker 2:it's pretty cool how, how art comes from, whatever is happening during that time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that is true, and I think there is a. I feel we're kind of like the outsiders of the world, people that really are into this genres, and we kind of find ourselves now in the, you know, through the Internet and in this festivals and and for some reason I think there is a very big need of, because I think part of the deal and that. Going back to Noble Savage, which is my, my project in music, it was born with the idea of using the shadow as a power force to create music and lyrics and and transforming, like the darker aspects of Hari into a creative force that could be dance to. So the lyrics are not I would we, we we try to connect with whatever is out there and and sort of try to bring those words that are there for us to gather, and normally those words have to do with how painful sometimes the world is or life is, but at the same time that it's so worth living it, you know. And so we, we really wanted to write lyrics about things that are painful or dark, or you know how rejected we felt in high school, for instance, or you know how terrible war is, or whatever, but but you as it again as a tool to Transfigure it and transform it and and just dance to it.
Speaker 3:And I think a lot of people from the, from the Latin communities in here in California, for instance, have that same need. For some reason, they need to talk about where they're from and what they've been through and and, at the same time, dance to it and make electronic music with it, which is the which is, that is, the bottom line of Noble Savage, is that the shadow is the one that you know, the Goes in the stage and and he's the one that makes the lyrics and and I'm kind of like a like I'm, I'm the body to sort of channel him.
Speaker 1:I like that. That's awesome, it's like a whole I don't even want to say story because it's not a story. It's like you're actually living it. Right, it's, it's reality. Like you're saying, like like we have this need to to talk about our pain and everything, but at the end of the day, to to dance to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think I think that that really personifies or at least like for myself, you know, being Latina first generation like I'm learning to adapt right to to kind of I'm not too Mexican, but I'm not too American either, so there's this like middle ground and and I'm learning how to channel my emotions and how to use them, because I come from a long line of suppressing talking and emotions and things. So what you just said like Like that's who I am. I want to talk about my emotions, I want to talk about my things, but I also want to celebrate them and dance later and not be like completely right engulfed in the sadness and I don't know.
Speaker 1:that's really cool, yeah there's wonderful.
Speaker 2:There's two things happening. Right, you're expressing the way you feel, but then also you're, you're, you're turning that. I don't say negative space or negative emotion, let's just call it just an emotion and you're making a positive out of it or you're celebrating it, I guess in a way.
Speaker 3:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Or you're celebrating your your. You're celebrating your emotions.
Speaker 3:Exactly. We kind of are trying to invent a verb that's younging because of you know, the, the, the psychoanalyst that talks about the shadow, in terms of you, using the darker aspects that we all have them like. Where is this jealousy coming from? Where is this rage coming from? You know, and that's what I, that's my, like, my. How do you say? Materia prima, my?
Speaker 3:Like your first yeah that's where everything's coming from for me, like creatively, like for not only for music but also for film, and music is so direct, really like the shadow needs to express this and and then as you were saying yeah, exactly, and then you just transform it into a power, into something creative and and and you end up dancing away your fear or your envy or your anger or your you know, your rage and I think a lot of us have reasons to be angry and and we have to do something with that energy. It's a strong energy, it's so, so, powerful and in a way, I feel that we kind of need to embrace that, because that's what makes us who we are that, that pain, that trauma the most of those traumas were inflicted when we were very young and kind of embracing that, and not only that, but using it creatively, I think it's a, it's a pretty cool thing. Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2:How? How did you find out that? Like, when did you realize that, turning him, like having an emotion and turning it into something like art? When do you remember the first time where you're like, oh, I'm feeling this and maybe if I do this, it helps me express the way I feel? Do you remember that?
Speaker 3:I don't remember the exact moment, but I know I've done it since I was really young. I was, I wasn't very good at the beginning, just this course came out and right, and then films came, and most of my films now I've done some TV as well, and series and that kind of stuff which is new for me. This is what I've been doing here, but most of my films are, are are, as they say in Spanish, self referential or real kind of autobiographical in terms of investigating, I don't know like what, what happened during those years. But also this is not Berlin, for instance has to do with the toxic masculinity I I had around me and having to find a different sort of path and what happened when I because I was really young, when I met this community of artists and that really transformed my life kind of. And I also made a film about the loss of a, of a, of a child, which is something that I went through as well. So it's it's kind of there. So it was just very logical to move in this direction with with and and, and I feel that the music I'm we're making and what happens on stage allows us to be a little bit more theatrical.
Speaker 3:I remember that, that story. There's a very good documentary about Bob Dylan. I don't know why I?
Speaker 3:probably everywhere in the in the streaming and I just found that it's so. I mean, he was saying that then and this is the, this is a tour he made painting in his face white, and so Some people were talking about bulldoin, that you know, this Japanese traditional dance in which the artist paint themselves and then they that's part of the ritual and into becoming a different persona. But someone confess, oh, it was really kiss, he, he. He went to a show, a kiss show, and he loved them. What they did in with the makeup, bob Dylan, yeah, and he started painting his face white.
Speaker 2:That is awesome, so cool.
Speaker 3:So I think this, this, this music we do, is kind of theatrical in a way, and we enjoy that very, very much and that's part of you know, what you were seeing and in the pictures and so forth, is that we need to Use some, some persona, to be able to project the shadow on stage.
Speaker 2:I love that Very festive yeah, of course very festive.
Speaker 3:In fact, we, we, we really appreciate when people dance with us. That's our, that's our whole purpose To make people dance and to dance ourselves. I love to dance on stage.
Speaker 2:My favorite thing ever. There's nothing like being on stage, especially surrounded by other musicians or other artists. It's magical Right.
Speaker 3:It's a conversation and when things really flow we had a very good show in Mexico City not too long ago and in Monterey in the north and when things are flowing and you get the energy back from you know, from the audience, and then you throw more energy. Yeah becomes a all chemical conversation. Right is really transforming, I think, for both parts.
Speaker 2:It's chemicals, it's vibration, it's, it's this energy that is, just people on the stage with their energy and then the audience reciprocating that same thing. It's just, it's beautiful. There's nothing like getting off the stage and filling that. There's nothing ever I'm sorry, amber, but there's nothing ever that's going to be able to to to replace that.
Speaker 3:I agree. I think that's why I'm so stubborn with music, because I just want to be in the staff now. I want to play in the US. I really want to start touring here because it's so, it is, it is. There's something magical.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all the, all the hard work and all the the practicing and the writing and it just, it makes everything just so yeah, worthwhile yeah that instant sounds like anxiety to me.
Speaker 1:It's good anxiety.
Speaker 2:There is, there is, and I get it.
Speaker 1:I get that that both of your serotonin boosts come from. From that, you know, and I always think like I am in all.
Speaker 1:Every time that I see someone perform, or you know, someone do their thing on stage, to me it's like you said it's a magical, but it's not something that I can do, you know for me, my serotonin, my magic is I don't know one of my recipes coming out amazing, and seeing people take me to the taste my food and eating, and, and that smile, and that you know, and, and, and that's my serotonin. But I think what you do is amazing and beyond me, and we need to, we need to taste your food.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I think we should we will, we will.
Speaker 1:I made bagels this morning.
Speaker 2:I think we need to have a segment on the podcast where whatever you have to make like something and then we feed it to the guest.
Speaker 3:That would be awesome. Oh yeah, yeah, it sounded like. It sounded like alchemical as well. It is, yeah, it is. I enjoy it.
Speaker 1:Definitely. But I mean back to you Did you come from a family of artists or are you the first in your family?
Speaker 3:No, we're not. I mean, my my grandmother's mom was a pianist during the Revolution in Mexico and there was this legends of she that she was kind of traveling with her piano in the midst of the oldest battles and and so my my grandma really loved classical music and she kind of taught me that. But no, I think most of what happened to me was that original trauma and the need to communicate and do something with it and do something with the social anxiety that I had. I needed to communicate some other way because I couldn't communicate in the natural. Having a lot of friends high school, that kind of thing was not something that I had, you know. So I think I needed to find different paths for that on one side. And then I met this community very young and this community was all about and the something that was, I find very cool in the eighties and maybe some People listening to maybe the younger audience listening to the podcast will feel that that that is something that goes on still, I don't know, but that, like partying, was kind of like a very creative thing.
Speaker 3:It was regarded as part of who you were as an artist, like what are you going to wear tonight for this. You know, whatever show you're going to, this for, for or even for just going to the venue tonight or to this we there was this little gay bar in Mexico City. That was a lot of this was happening. There was very small, but we dressed to kill you know the. We stole clothes from from a church and then we would wear the clothes and cut them and so all that thing became a big thing or military stuff or you know that, and the music. So it was a cool sort of creative act that.
Speaker 3:What performance art I was. I was profoundly exposed to performance art during those years which I had never thought of, like the mix of acting with sound and just throwing your rage out and all that improvisation and but it's also kind of, you know, art with painting and I don't know. It was just really, really, really, really really. I learned a lot from from those years and I think most of what I do ended up coming from general understanding what you can do with with your pain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you weren't, if somebody wasn't doing expressing their pain, whether in music or painting, or like there's there's no other how, how do you do that, like there's no other way? I mean there are some other ways, but I mean, what would you think, how would you if you didn't find music or your certain community? How do you think that you were, you were able to To do that?
Speaker 3:I don't know. Maybe you either die or kill people, or you know you got a war or you Be great soldier, I don't really know, but I feel I'm. There's certain types like Freud that wrote, like he wrote in, like an incredible amount of books, and I remember one time I'm feeling that if he had not written all of that he would probably be a serial killer. That that, that type of mind, such a complex, almost genius mind, with nothing to do. What, what, what do you?
Speaker 3:do that so that's a very interesting question, I find. But I think we in this world we see a lot of violence and we see a lot of Not transfiguration of pain, but just taking your pain directly and inflicting it on other people directly, without any sort of bridge. Right and.
Speaker 1:I think that's what happens when you don't embrace a shadow and when you don't use that energy to create something Hopeful or something do you think that the arts I mean obviously I, I, I don't know, so that's why I'm asking but the arts in Mexico as a whole, as a whole country do you think it's, it's where it should be right now? Do you think that, that, that it could be better? Do you think there's more? Do you think it it's not where it's at, because culturally or anything like that, or no?
Speaker 3:Oh my god, I loaded question.
Speaker 1:It's a big one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think in film there's, there's a, there's been a rebirth of Mexican film. It's very powerful. I think there is at least three or four Mexican films in every main Double a festival in the world, say Berlin or can, or when, venice or you know. There's so many. You know, films that come from Mexico, not necessarily films that a lot of people will watch though because the industry is not.
Speaker 3:that's not. It's not an easy thing to do to To show your independent sort of art house films to people, because they're used to watching Hollywood and that. So you know. So that's one example. I think art in Mexico is, is is a big thing and there's a lot of artists that are really interesting, and possibly every manifestation, from literature to To the arts, to the plastic arts, to film, to music, it's, it's. We probably don't have a An industry that distributing that art, so that's why a lot of us, I guess, end up coming here to try to do our thing To try to show our work to more people, and that's part of what we're.
Speaker 3:We're trying to do, with nobody Savages, to engage with the community that is interested in this kind of music in California, because it is huge here, definitely.
Speaker 1:How did how did noble savage come to be? Because I know you said you did film first and then you went into the music, right?
Speaker 3:It's funny because I started doing music before then I went to film and stopped music. I had a band in the 80, in the 80s, 90s, but we never recorded anything. So that was a big frustration in my life. So I went back to music a little bit more than 10 years ago and started. I've had different projects and bands. I think noble savage in a way came from this is not Berlin, because it kind of recovered the aesthetic from those bands in the 80s I don't know Joe, joe division or New Order or you know a lot of those electronic dance of of Divo and all that kind of world.
Speaker 3:And and realizing that there is a very large community of younger people doing that music now and that they're doing brilliantly and they have incredible you know projects, and, and. Once I realized that it was like it's impossible for me not to try to participate of that cake. You know that, that that buffet is just too amazing for me to be there. That's what I like the most. You know dark electronic danceable. You know music. So that's where it came from. And and and. Then it was like just coming up with the concept I want the shadow to take over right, and and and then the pandemic came in. It was a perfect time to start exploring music, because that's when the project was born.
Speaker 2:I like how there are a lot of projects came out from the pandemic.
Speaker 3:Yes, of course yes.
Speaker 2:I understand during the pandemic there was a lot going on in the world, a lot Right, but that let that allowed some time for people to actually tap in to what they were, are passionate about, or it gave them the time to tap in to do something that they have always wanted to do but just never had the capability or ability or the time to do it Absolutely.
Speaker 3:And I think we could go back to your question as of what would you do if you didn't do this.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:And I think a lot of. There was a lot of divorces there was drinking. Yes like crazy, or you know, some people started doing music just because they needed to do something with that energy, or it would. Perhaps the dragon would eat them alive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah if it's not music, if it's not art, if it's not comedy, if it's not painting or sports or it's. Honestly, I don't know what I would have done if I didn't find podcasting or my newfound love right now comedy. I don't know what I would be doing honestly, I feel the same way, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean before podcasting. I love, I love beer, I love drinking, I liked partying, but that was it. Like there was no, I was in a band and then partying after. No, it was just, you know, going to the bar and hanging out and that's it Terrible.
Speaker 3:I went through rehab twice, so I totally know, yeah, what you do when you're not Exactly.
Speaker 2:I think there's something in, I think it's just something with the human brain, if we're not, if we're not being creative, that there are just something that happens with that energy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know like where does it go, yeah?
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, what happens? Yeah, but I think when, when you're not trying to be the best version of yourself creatively, it's, it's a waste and I feel that it it there's a drag, I guess, on your, on your, I don't know, on your, on your, yourself as a person.
Speaker 3:Hmm, yeah, I agree, I agree, and it could be art, it could be, you know, creating anything, television yeah. You know technology or making paid pizza bagels.
Speaker 2:Making pizza bagels yeah, it could be something.
Speaker 3:But you, I think it there's. It's a two way thing in which you've kind of recognized that you do have like a shadow in you and that it's something that we share all of us share that as humans and that, on the, on the other hand, you can do this with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So it's both, I think, and I think that allows us to be in this world walking in a better way. I think I agree.
Speaker 2:How do you do you think that everybody has a shadow, that that?
Speaker 3:I think most people do. I think most people have some sort of trauma from this or other lives.
Speaker 3:That might be too esoteric, but let's stick to this life. Most of us have had some sort of trauma process when our childhoods from family or school or and those scars provoke a certain inner reaction and that inner reaction provokes a personality, that personal traits kind of become in a way your map, because those pains and those darker spaces are really your map on what you came to this life to do. I think Right, Right, Like, and, as I said, it can be, why does this type of person provoke my jealousy? Right?
Speaker 2:Who's?
Speaker 3:that coming from, or why does this provoke my rage? Why am I such an angry fella? Yeah, a lot of. Historically, there's so much people that have been so angry and so like with other races or with other cultures, and we're seeing a little bit of that everywhere in the world right now. There's terrible wars that are going on and you know, do you even ask yourself why am I feeling that towards other human beings? What is the? I mean, what is the deeper reason for that? And not everybody does. I don't know why, because you know that's part of the game of being here.
Speaker 2:I guess, yeah, being life is just it's beautiful, but it's also very it's hard, like, at the same time, being a human being it's not easy, especially in certain societies. It's not easy, and I think we're as humans, we're born out of trauma because, if you really think about it, being born is very, it's very traumatic.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:When you're born. What are you doing? You're screaming at the top of your lungs.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what it does, it can even to. What the heck here, right yeah what am I doing?
Speaker 2:What is going on? Why is this doctor holding me by my ankles, upside down, screaming, trying to wake me up? What is this? Like a Maraca I was sleeping and you guys just brought me out in the bright lights like come on.
Speaker 3:You're in this watery warm kind of yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3:So that's what Noble Savage is all about. You know, it could be just making the music and trying to dance, but it's also the other part. We are trying to make meaningful music in our own way. There might be hopefully there's people out there who will connect with that and this weird way of doing lyrics and this but at the same time wanting to, yeah, dance and use electronic music to talk about these things in a different you know which.
Speaker 3:The latest single now, which is the latest single we just released very recently, has to do with yeah, how do you lose the present moment? Is the present moment? There is now the only real opportunity we have to sort of a joyful experience, or an experience of joy. And what happens with memory? For instance, in that particular song there's this image that the narrator, let's say, or the character in the song, has a memory of this very toxic relationship, which at the same time is a very sort of attractive thing, because that kind of dark relationships or toxic relationships sometimes are the most passionate ones. So he gets thrown into the past, into this thing he had with a different person, and then suddenly he's not in the now or she's not in the now again. You know it just collapsed by a film going on in the mind, so that's what that single is about. But then I find it's a very sort of pop and cool track to dance to. So that's kind of like what Nobles have it just try to do both things at the same time.
Speaker 3:So there's different layers and you can just dance to it and sing like the chorus or whatever, and then, if you get a little deeper, there is also some. You know we're talking about some other stuff as well.
Speaker 1:Do you think because I'm thinking like it just popped in my mind right now right, like, when you do an art piece, you, as an artist or I'm thinking as an artist you know why you created that piece and you know what comes from it, right? And you, like, you're saying your song and just the theatrics of the video and everything that you know the storyline, right, but do you think that some of your songs, too, are up for interpretation? Do?
Speaker 3:you think, oh yeah, definitely, yeah, I think that's what I sort of, that's what, for me, that's the sense I make of that particular song now, for instance. But the lyrics are pretty. I don't even that's gonna. I'm not trying to be like obnoxious or anything, but I really don't know where they came from, especially because I'm English is not my mother language and I started writing in English for this project, and so I started doing some kind of rituals and trying to go somewhere where the words are. And it happened, it started happening like I would bring those images down and I'm like what?
Speaker 2:the hell. Where did this thing come from?
Speaker 3:And particularly this two last singles Now and War came from that process and I was really surprised when I read them, like wow, really, this is, this came from somewhere else. I could not have written this in my regular mind and I'm not doing drugs, I mean, I think, for me at least, sobriety is a new high but it happened and it was very cool. So what I'm trying to say is that there are pretty abstract or yeah, there are some images that are there from this places and that could be interpreted in, I think, many different ways.
Speaker 2:You know what I think is awesome is like music videos and just the imagery that a person pulls out of their head and makes it on film or makes it on a video. That is, that's wild, because you're sharing. You're sharing to the audience of the inner workings of somebody's mind or their imagination.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a super cool point.
Speaker 2:That is super cool, to me Interesting right, like you're with an art, you're giving the audience a piece of you, if you will. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:And I also feel that, for instance, this video that was made by other artists, the film Surduo, they call themselves they're very, very, very cool young artists and I think, in a way, this is an interpretation they're making of something that already exists, and that interpretation becomes a different piece altogether, which is pretty, pretty, pretty cool, I think. Yeah, I mean, and they brought some references by other artists as well. They brought Marina Abramovich and Magrid and other artists over there and we took some of those references and used them in the video in a different way. And again, it's just like putting all of that into a melting pot and sort of melting all the ingredients and enough of you come with a new, different thing, which is very, very cool.
Speaker 1:Can we see a piece of?
Speaker 3:Of course, please, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all ours.
Speaker 2:You have to press the half circle thing. You know You're watching it, right.
Speaker 1:I think I played on its own.
Speaker 2:Okay, wow, oh. The hours is the debate. Are the sad lovers left to waste the hours shattered by your trace, instinguished by the hell? You made the hours, the DJ. The hours shattered by your trace, instinguished by the hell, you made the hours, the DJ? I like that part. Was there a reason why you guys went black and white?
Speaker 3:Yeah, even since the previous single War, I have to say. These two singles are part of a record with ten songs that is coming out in May, which is our first full length album.
Speaker 2:Congratulations.
Speaker 3:I think we might continue to do some more videos in black and white for this album because it's making sense and we're finding very cool stuff. If I'm fortunate enough, then Films Tour Duo will continue to make some other videos, or maybe we'll find an artist here in LA which would be very cool for the project as well. It's very funny, this project, and that's part of why English became its main language, although the album has three songs in Spanish. It's because after I released this film this is not Berlin at Sundance it became really obvious that I had to come to LA and experiment this and see if there was something for me here as an artist. It's been almost five years now I haven't played here. Still, my brother lives in Oakland, so we played in Berkeley in a punk venue over there.
Speaker 3:It was pretty cool, but I'm dying to play in LA. I'm dying to start building a community around this music here in LA. We'll see how that goes. I don't know if I answered any question. I think I got lost.
Speaker 2:How long have you been in Los Angeles?
Speaker 3:Four years and a half, I think.
Speaker 2:How's the community? Have you tapped into the community with this genre of music?
Speaker 3:I tend to go to the shows and enjoy the music. There's a very big festival from the Pasadena Festival.
Speaker 2:What is it called again? Cruel World? I feel like I've heard that I've probably seen it all over social media.
Speaker 3:Last year Suxy and the Banshees was here.
Speaker 2:Suxy played Iggy Pop A lot of the boy culture, which is a younger project, that is a great key who's now going to be playing in Mexico.
Speaker 3:We're trying to sort of squish into her. We'll see if it Other than that, not really we're trying to find out how to have a new manager his Mexican. We're trying to start a conversation with Mexican bands that belong to this genre and bring them to play here. We'll be playing in California venues with Mexican darkwave bands.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that will be so cool. I'm pretty sure there's a community for that.
Speaker 3:Oh, for sure, there's a lot.
Speaker 2:Doing a festival like that. But just for the Latino, the Latinx community of Mexican darkwave, there's a lot of musicians from that community that are making this type of music.
Speaker 3:It's kind of like a big grandma genre that has all these different daughters. Like any other type of genre of music Like punk rock Exactly.
Speaker 2:So many different punk rock, genres of punk rock.
Speaker 3:Exactly Like in Cruel World, you'll listen to real goth and to divo and to blondie but, also like black marble. There's a lot of. We all belong to the same sort of box, I think.
Speaker 2:Right, and there's just like these branches that just branch out to different types of music.
Speaker 3:And this is a branch that has to do with synthwave and darkwave, posponk music. I think what we're doing I love it.
Speaker 2:And you said you had three songs that are in Spanish.
Speaker 3:Yes, they're not in our media, in our social media. They're not in Spotify, because they're new.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:I realized that we needed to make Some songs in our land or on your and and also because Mexican Pesponk is really Becoming, really strong. There's actually bands from California that are now trying to do some Spanish lyrics, because that that allows them to sort of belong in this particular community. And then we're Mexican.
Speaker 1:So it's weird Exciting it's exciting, yeah it is. Latinos to see ourselves being represented in every genre of music out there, and it's really cool that we're tapping into so many different, you know genres. That's cool. Like I said earlier, we're not only your typical. Corridors, you know they're, there's so much more.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah other genres.
Speaker 1:That it's.
Speaker 3:It's cool and now that I've been discovering all this Latinos doing this genre, it's wow. Like all these people from California that are, you know, mexican, you know or Whatever you want to identify yourself, chicano or Latino, or and they're doing this. They're not doing, as you say, banda or other types of yeah it's it's kind of a make or punk. Yeah, it's really amazing for me. I love it.
Speaker 2:I don't know the language, but when I hear Music that is not your typical Mexican music, I just love it. Yeah, I have I've heard some Spanish punk. I think the first time I heard Spanish punk I think it was the casualties, which is a New York Street band yeah, they're incredible and I think the I think it's the singer, he's. He's from Mexico I'm not too sure where abouts, but he's from Mexico and they have a full album, justin and and in Spanish, and it's freaking amazing. I don't understand it, but it's. It's amazing.
Speaker 3:I just I think it's just a power.
Speaker 2:I think it's just the vernacular and the way that that um, the the tongue is is being. I don't even know how to explain it but it's so different and I like it. Yeah, you know, it's just the music in Spanish is just better. Yeah, no, of course, I mean I wouldn't disagree with you on that, but it's, I like it and I think there's.
Speaker 1:There's certain words like like Me, that I, that I'm bilingual and that that I try to translate like to gill sometimes. Uh-huh words they don't translate. Yeah. English, so it's from Spanish to English. There there's. There's some words that just don't translate.
Speaker 2:English is bland.
Speaker 1:That's what I've heard, yeah it gets lost in translation and I think that Spanish Everything that we say, whether there's more meaning to it whether it's serious or funny or anything like we. Just we have this like I don't know passion behind what we say, like the words, even if you're like La madre, alguien or or complimenting someone or anything other. There's this passion behind just Our language and I think that that translates into it translates into music as well. But maybe I'm just being biased.
Speaker 3:It's. It's that every language has its own like vibe and energy and its own thing, and and reflects like the history of the language and how it's moved along the world. And and English is incredible as well. It's been for me a whole Voyage of discovery to be writing this lyrics in English. It's been really something important and transcendental. But now it's very funny that there's there's a lot of Russian bands, paspunk bands in Russian.
Speaker 3:I don't understand anything right and I feel most people that follow them don't understand. You know what they're saying. There's a very famous Turkish band and the Greek band, and so I think Paspunk is now kind of uniting all the outsiders in the world and and and a lot of them are playing in their own Languages and nobody's really giving a fuck, you know right there.
Speaker 1:I think music is the unity of oh yeah, 100% have, because even we went to Japan last year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we went.
Speaker 1:We like Psycho Billy and like like rocko Billy music. And we were able to catch bands and we didn't know what they were saying. I don't know, but we didn't care. It was the music, the Fashioned everything and it was it felt like if we were here at home.
Speaker 3:Oh, and the Japanese have that thing of recovering the essence of of the genres and they, they, they Impersonate them.
Speaker 2:They're incredible, oh yeah, the DJs that were at that Show where they were spinning all Rockabilly English vinyl. Most of it wasn't even Japanese vinyl, wow. And when we went to the record store right there, and what? What city was it?
Speaker 1:and.
Speaker 2:Okinawa. We went and All the we were looking for Japanese records to bring home. We couldn't find anything. Everything was in English. Oh, really, yeah, they loved. They love English psychobilly, they love English rock and roll. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great. And Uh, just the people we met right there in Japan at that show, they're my buddies for life.
Speaker 3:I have them on instagram and oh, we talk all the time. That's so cool, right?
Speaker 2:That's really cool, they like my stuff. But it's like the the night after because there's like an 18, 13 to 18 hour difference.
Speaker 3:Um, but it's like oh okay, that's so cool, he's awake now. That's so cool.
Speaker 2:We're communicating and through through, through music, through music, through vibration, through through the same Things that you like. You can be on the other side of the world, but you can like the same thing and that's very beautiful, it is right. Music, totally agree. Music brings us together, right. Yeah, oh yes, um, thanks for being here. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3:Thank, you guys, it's, it's really, it's really my first interview In in in English. Really, for noble savage oh my god Not not not me as an artist, but for for music and from noble savage. It is the first time. I'm very grateful as, as we say in Mexico, con esta me persino, and hopefully this will open Doors for this project and and it was a pleasure talking with both of you Thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you, harisama. Can you give us uh? Where can we find you and if you have anything coming up, please go ahead and share.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, you can find us as noble savage band everywhere. There's our instagram and we're spotify. Uh, we have a facebook page as well. So, um, and yeah, we're gonna be playing in Mexico City next, then two weeks, which is maybe not, but soon. Soon we'll play here. More to come.
Speaker 1:We're gonna make it happen. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 2:We're gonna make it happen. I have to do something about it.
Speaker 3:Thank you, thank you so much guys.
Speaker 1:We've been wanting to go to Mexico City. It's was lovely yeah.
Speaker 2:There we go, gives us another reason. There you go to go to Mexico City.
Speaker 3:Yeah, lots of very good music coming from Mexico these days as well. Yeah, yeah, in every genre, genre.
Speaker 2:We gotta check it out, ember, we will, absolutely.
Speaker 3:Thank you. Thank you so much for having me here. It was a pleasure Appreciate it.
Speaker 2:I love talking to you. Absolutely. We gotta, we gotta do this again.
Speaker 3:Let's do it again.
Speaker 2:Maybe we can talk about some more on your, your film project, absolutely. Yeah, you're an array of different things. Yeah, honey, it's the. It's the need. Yeah, it's the need. Uh, amber, do we have anything uh coming up in the next uh week?
Speaker 1:Uh, we don't. We're taking a little.
Speaker 2:Taking a little break, but we're gonna be Still doing podcasts. We got two scheduled Next week. Yep, we got two scheduled next week and then march is.
Speaker 1:Is there's a lot of things going on in march?
Speaker 2:Yes, so stick around and we'll get you on the next one, my bus.