MB:289 with Chris Logan

Chris Logan’s is coming up in country right now, mixing in Southwest vibe with some Latin flavor. He’s from Nogales, Arizona, and his sound kinda rides the line between country and regional Mexican. Checkout his stuff here 

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"King without a Throne" is performed by Bad Hombres

Transcript

SPEAKER_10 0:01

Let's go. What is up, Mind Buzz Universe? Welcome back to another podcast episode of The Mind Buzz. I'm your host, Gil, and working the board tonight. This evening, today, whenever you're listening to this podcast, is the lovely Amber. What is up? Hey. How's it going?

SPEAKER_09 0:34

It's going pretty good. Yeah? Yep. I'm over my uh pasta coma.

SPEAKER_10 0:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 0:41

Chad to lay down for a little bit.

SPEAKER_10 0:42

Shout out Cor Corleones and the beautiful city of Paramount. It's a staple of the city of Paramount, right? It's been around for a very long time.

SPEAKER_09 0:53

I feel like yes. It's been around for sure 15 plus years.

SPEAKER_10 0:59

Who's been around longer? Tams or Corleone's? No, Tams. Tams? Yeah. Really?

SPEAKER_09 1:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:04

Are you serious?

SPEAKER_09 1:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:06

Like in the same spot or just in the same spot.

SPEAKER_09 1:10

I would go to Tams when I was in high school and it was already there for a long time.

SPEAKER_10 1:16

But you've been out of high school for about 15 years already, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:20

But sorry to put your age out there.

SPEAKER_09 1:23

Oh, I don't care.

SPEAKER_10 1:24

Okay. Are you one of those women that if if somebody asks you your do you get asked like how old you are a lot?

SPEAKER_09 1:31

I still get asked if there's a child for a child menu. You think I'm gonna Wait, what? When we go out to eat and we go in a group and they'll say You're like, how many children in your party? And I'm like, you know damn well there are no children.

SPEAKER_10 1:45

You should tell them. Yeah, one. One fucking if you're gonna offer look if you're gonna offer me a child's menu, then you're gonna charge me child's prices.

SPEAKER_09 1:56

And then I think what child has a sleeve of tattoos. Well, we are in Southeast LA, so um no, I I actually don't care if somebody asks me what my age is. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm even though I still look at myself, like I'm starting to look at myself recently in the pa in the past couple years, and I'm like, oh dang, I'm aging. Like I like I can see myself aging. Um I don't think I want to like be a teenager again or anything like that. So I'm kind of embracing the age. Usually that's what I'm saying now, because I'm gonna be 36, but who knows? Catch me in 10 more years.

SPEAKER_10 2:34

Yeah, I was gonna say, when is gonna be the age when you're gonna start to like cringe when somebody asks you how old you are?

SPEAKER_09 2:41

I don't know.

SPEAKER_10 2:42

That's a weird question, huh?

SPEAKER_09 2:43

I mean, my mom's gonna be 58, and I mean she'll say her age. But I don't think my mom looks like a.

SPEAKER_10 2:50

Well, if she doesn't say her age, her daughter will.

SPEAKER_09 2:53

So no, I won't throw her under the bus like that.

SPEAKER_10 2:57

You just did right now.

SPEAKER_08 2:59

Why okay?

SPEAKER_06 3:02

Shut up.

SPEAKER_10 3:04

Look, uh how I feel when people it's not if somebody asks or when they ask me, like, how old are you? It's just the way they say it. Like, how old are you?

SPEAKER_09 3:16

Oh, somebody's asked you like that?

SPEAKER_10 3:18

They always do it, always happens. Like, how old are you? I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 3:21

They think you I don't know. You're a chavo ruco?

SPEAKER_10 3:26

Something like that.

SPEAKER_09 3:28

You know what that is?

SPEAKER_10 3:29

No. It usually happens when I do when I put up when I go to 8 mpm and I do all the sodas.

SPEAKER_09 3:35

They're like, how old are you?

SPEAKER_10 3:36

Every I do a whole bunch of ice and put all the sodas.

SPEAKER_09 3:39

Maybe maybe our guests can help me uh translate what chavo ruco means.

SPEAKER_10 3:44

Chavaruko. Chavoruco. Yeah. Uh let's bring in to tonight's guest uh to second appearance on the Mind Buzz. Uh very, very long time. A great, great musician. Uh, please give it up for uh Chris Logan, ladies and gentlemen.

SPEAKER_02 4:04

Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_10 4:05

Welcome back, dude.

SPEAKER_02 4:06

Man, it's been a while.

SPEAKER_10 4:07

We were talking about how long it's been.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Yeah, yeah. I'm pretty sure, pretty sure three years. 2023, I think. Yeah. The last time I was here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 4:15

First time I was here. And before that, we were doing the show for two years where we just hit five years crazy last year. Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna hit six years in August.

SPEAKER_02 4:25

Damn, I gotta give you guys like props, man, because I remember you said that you guys like never missed a week of like filming and stuff, and you guys kept consistent like shows.

SPEAKER_10 4:35

So yeah, props to you guys. Well, we actually took a year off. Oh, did you really like when we moved after after we said that like the day after you believe this? All right, cool. Well, let's not do this anymore.

SPEAKER_03 4:49

Let's just shut down.

SPEAKER_10 4:51

No, but we we took a we took a year off okay when we moved to the studio, yeah, and then we started fixing it up, kind of readjusting the game plan for the podcast, and from then it's it's so crazy to like when I tell people this, but the show grew more in that year than it did in the four years that we were doing it.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

Sometimes that helps, honestly, in just like taking like a step back and like just I mean it makes sense for you guys that like a new studio and everything. So just close it. Yeah. So yeah, but yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, dude. Yeah, you've been busy. I have been super busy, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's going on, man? Yeah. We were just talking about how crazy was it? Like the last time I was here, I was just kind of doing like gigs and stuff, and now like I'm doing like my own project, and that kind of took off. So it's been it's been a whirlwind since I think it's since May of last year was uh I had a song kind of go viral, and then ever since that it's just like yeah, yeah, things just like one thing after another started like moving forward, and then attention just started brewing online and social media, even as much as I hate social media, it's such a great tool, bro. Yeah, it's crazy. It it does help. I mean, that's where pretty much all of my fans and like all the attention I got from my music came from. It was just straight social media, you know.

SPEAKER_10 6:20

Well, you framed it well when you talk to when you talk to when you when you're talking about social media.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

Yeah. A tool. Yeah, it is, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean, for us creatives, you know, it's like it's so interesting because it's like you look back at like different artists, and like we're talking about comedy too, and it's like you wouldn't think of like just like Michael Jackson or like Norm McDonald like posting reels every day. It's like what? It's so weird, but it's just like that's just the times that we live in. So you kind of have to adapt and yeah, you just gotta find your own way of how to use it, you know, to to make it benefit you.

SPEAKER_10 6:56

Yeah, their I their social media is kind of like what the night time, the night show was. Well, I've been saying that.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like now it's like everything is all online, so it's just like podcasts, uh just like having influencers kind of like give you a shout-out or something. That's like where all the attention is now, which it's kind of the same as it was before, you know, but it's just like in a different avenue now. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 7:24

Yeah, it's the same concept, but just a different, yeah, different place. Exactly. And it's a a heck of a lot faster, too.

SPEAKER_11 7:32

Yeah, that's the thing too. Right.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

It's like the attention spans have kind of gotten really, really small.

SPEAKER_09 7:37

It's like you can post something, go to sleep, and then the next fucking day, like everything changes.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

That's exactly what happened to me. Like I posted it was crazy because I was like posting, I had come to like a realization where I was like, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to just like swallow my pride and just post like every day. Like I have to do that. If not, it this isn't gonna work. And so I was doing that for I'd say probably like a good month where I was just like posting like every single day. And uh the reel that literally took me like five minutes to do was the one that just like took off. Really? Yeah, like posted it and like the next day, it probably had like 20,000 views, and then the day after jumped up to like 100,000. And then the day after, yeah, it was like it was crazy. So the first one that went viral had like 300,000, and then I just kind of started recycling that same format over and over again, and each time it just kept like I did the same format of that recently, and it hit like 1.2 million views. Whoa, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 8:39

So I'm like, I don't know, yeah, it's so how how long before like that first video went viral? Like, how long were you doing it before that happened? Was it a while?

SPEAKER_02 8:54

Uh probably it's hard to say because I just like was posting so much, but I I'd probably say like about a month, three weeks to a month of just like yeah, it's not a lot of time, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:07

But yeah, so yeah, I'd probably say like maybe two weeks, two, three weeks.

SPEAKER_10 9:13

Yeah. And were you like playing with the format every time?

SPEAKER_02 9:18

Yeah, I was honestly, I was just trying to figure out what my like style of posting was. Like the some of the stuff that I look back on, I'm like, why did I do that?

SPEAKER_12 9:27

Like, what were you thinking, bro?

SPEAKER_02 9:29

But it's like I did it, I just didn't know, like, yeah, didn't know how to do it really. Like, if you think about it, like everything to me, everything is practice, you know. So it's like the first time you do something, it's like it's gonna suck. You know, so like the first videos I posted trying to promote my music, like they were terrible, you know. It's like, yeah, like even I look at it, I'm like, scroll away, bro.

SPEAKER_09 9:48

You know, and and for some of our our viewers that you know don't, you know, that that hadn't seen our previous video with you, can you kind of in a nutshell tell us like what kind of music you you you know you are or what kind of artist?

SPEAKER_02 10:03

My music can be best described as Mexican country or like Latin country. So I'm I'm half and half. So my mom is from Guanajuato and my dad's from Louisiana. So I'm and then I grew up on the US-Mexico border. So basically, all my music is just a combination of all that stuff put together. So it's like I grew up listening to Norteño, I grew up listening to Wanda, I grew up playing mariachi, um, but I also love rock and roll. My dad would like play country when I was a little kid. So it's like just pretty much everything that I am, I just put it all together.

SPEAKER_09 10:35

And I think that's something pretty unique, right? And that also is helping kind of gain that traction. Yeah. Because I've seen some of your videos where I think I don't know if if the caption was or something, but like like the way that people think that you're just white, but that you that you speak Spanish or you sing in Spanish is like that turn of like, oh shoot, because this white boy singing Spanish, you know.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Yeah, it's like one of the I usually I kind of just like take that. Which is I yeah, I run with it. I run with it. Yeah, I I use that to my advantage. Like one of the other videos that another video that like format that does really well for me is when I speak just to the camera, like I'm walking and like I'm having a conversation, replying to a comment. And like I remember I was promoting uh I did a cumbia in Spanish with like country elements, and at the time, um I posted just a small snippet of me like speaking Spanish, and someone comes and says, Oh man, like I didn't know you spoke Spanish. So I just responded, oh, I was like, Yeah, dude, like you know, like I grew up speaking Spanish, you know. It's I'm like I even studied it in college, so like I'm a nerd with the grammar and everything, like and yeah, and I do that every once in a while for like new people that don't know me, and every time they're like, Oh my god. And then recently I did I posted a video of me uh singing like a mariachi song, like a like a heavy hitter like mariachi song, you know, that like not everybody knows. And I put the caption POV, you're a country singer, but you like you love mariachi, and everybody went crazy with that.

SPEAKER_03 11:57

Like in the comments, they're like, Oh my god, he actually can like sing mariachi. I'm like, bro, like yeah, deep cut. Exactly. So it's it's cool to play off of that, you know.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

But it's like still I make sure to to to promote my roots. It's like, yeah, you know, it's like I'll play off of that, but just no, it's like I'm I'm very Mexican.

SPEAKER_10 12:16

And not only that, dude, you were you the production value on your music videos are immaculate. They're so good, dude.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

Yeah, they're so good. That's my boy uh Sal Guerrero. Yeah, he's incredible, yeah, yeah. I met him. I was uh funny enough, I was playing at a restaurant in Chino um called Gozo Kitchen and Lounge. I was there for about maybe like a year and a half, almost two years, maybe a little over two years actually. And um one of their content guys um would take videos of them, and like that's where I met him. So I told him I was like, bro, like would you be down and like do some music videos for me? Just him and his camera. Well, there's just one guy, one guy and one camera, and he just we're in and out, and then like literally next day he has everything done for me. So I'm like, Yeah, he's he's incredible. So shout out to Sal. Yeah, they're really good. Yeah, yeah. Super, super cool guy. So, dude, you've been you've been pretty busy, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been mainly just like recording music and doing some shows. Yeah. It's mostly been here in LA for the most part. Yeah, so that's kind of been what's taken up all my time. It's just like trying to hit the studio. Because the thing about music nowadays is it's the same as social media. It's like you have to be consistent. It's like you gotta be releasing music like non-stop.

SPEAKER_10 13:34

Because if not, it's just like meaning meaning non-stop, what do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_02 13:39

Do you think that's what I mean is it like the standard now that people are kind of like saying it's it's like a song a month? You gotta be Okay, yeah. So it's like Yeah, it's intense. It's really intense. And I mean, for us, it's it's been a little hard to do that because we're independent, so we're self-funding everything, you know.

SPEAKER_10 13:55

Um but we're doing the best that we can, you know, just trying to and when you when you say a song a month, what does that entail? Like does that does that entail like artwork and music video, the whole surviving clips and yeah, it's intense.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

What comes with it? Yeah, writing a song. Yeah, so it's like you hit the studio, you're recording. What we try and do is is we record live to tape. So we're still recording like the old school way, like to to like the actual like physical thing, like nine millimeter tape. And um does it sound different? Yeah, it does. I mean, to the normal person, uh huh, they just hear music, right? But like it's more rather than instead of like what they hear, it's more what they feel. And like one thing that people have told us is like a lot of people tell us that our music sounds different, and that it also feels like it gives them nostalgia. And I personally feel that that's one of the big reasons. It's because of like the way that we record. Um, so we recorded a studio in a studio city with uh this guy named uh Carlos Castro, and uh all his gears like super vintage, like from microphones from like the 40s and stuff, and like so yeah, so he's he's one of the few that still records to tape. And um, so since we're doing that, we record three songs at a time, live, just like the backbone, so like drums, guitar, voice, and bass, and then we go back and like add the other stuff later. So then that allows us to to just kind of have like a little bit of a head start so that we have like a bulk of songs that we can release. And but yeah, once we release, it's like then you have to have music videos, you have to figure out how to promote it, you have to just like everything, artwork, photos, photo shoots. Um yeah, it's it's it's a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 15:38

And where do you find like because I I'm thinking, right? Like I'm thinking on on projects I've done, or even like when my family, you know, we opened the coffee shop, like like there was for us being first generation, you know, and just kind of navigating any business, I think there there was no blueprint for us to do it. Like there was nothing. It was just like, you know, if you did ask someone that maybe knew, they were like, Oh, go here, go here, go here, go this and that, and then that was it. Like, so for you, like what or and even for a musician, like what is the blueprint?

SPEAKER_02 16:16

Like, how do you even know where to start, where to go, what to do, like what it's crazy because I always I I love telling a story because I was taking vocal lessons for a little bit, and I was a terrible student at vocal lessons. Like, I just it wouldn't make sense to me. Like when people would tell me it's like, oh, like sing this way and do this and this, like for some reason it just didn't connect with me. I couldn't it c I couldn't make sense of what they were telling me. But I had this one vocal instructor, and um for one lesson she told me she was like, Alright, let's like listen to some of your favorite singers, you know. So we're listening like listening to like Billy Joe and like Javier Solis, and and she told me it's like what uh what is like something that you that you can compare all of these singers to? Like, what's the one thing that they all have in common? And I was like, I don't know, they just they're just fucking badasses. And she's like, No, it's like all of your favorite singers never took vocal lessons, they just figured it out, and now it's like shit. And that was you're like, I quit. That was the last I swear, I swear that was the last time. That was the last time I seen her. That was the last lesson I took with her. I was like, that just hit me, and I was like, she's right. Like she's like, damn, I gotta stop saying this.

SPEAKER_16 17:23

It's like you're losing students.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

So like, and but ever since that, like I just started applying that to everything because it's like you could take the blueprint of another artist and it's not gonna work for you, right? You know, because it's yeah, you're two different individuals, you're two different circumstances, two different styles. Your voice is different, voice is different, different. Your message is different, also like the experiences that have you had in your life, you know, that does play a big part in your trajectory. So it's like literally the best thing you can do is just figure it out. Like just throw ever throw the all the darts, and hopefully you you know hit something. I mean, that's what I did with social media too. I just posted everything and then until I found something that stuck, you know.

SPEAKER_10 18:04

And that's the thing. What you did is you kept on going, but you didn't just keep doing the same thing over and over again. You you try to figure it out. You changed it a little bit here because you've seen that you know it wasn't getting the same, you know, it wasn't getting the traction that you wanted. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

Yeah, you have to the other thing too is like you I mean you hit the the what is the expression here? The nail on the head, yeah. Um like one thing is like you can't give up, you gotta keep going. But also within that keeping going, you also be have to very self-cur be very self-critical, where it's like, if this isn't working, bro, you gotta like tell yourself like this isn't working, like bro, like fix it, you know, fix something and go a different way. So that that plays a huge part as well.

SPEAKER_10 18:53

Oh yeah, it's uh it's self-reflection, and that's sometimes that's the hardest. First of all, you're putting yourself out there, yeah, right on the internet for everybody to see your fair game. Anybody can see you, anybody can you know watch you comment, about you, yeah. They're judging you. Yeah, that's just plain and simple. That's the internet, that's the social media age we live in. Yeah, people are judging you, yeah. And you also have to have people judge you, but you also have to judge yourself on a critical level and make adjustments when when you need it or or you know what to get to what you want.

SPEAKER_02 19:33

Yeah, I remember I was practicing at home one time, and that's kind of what like made me This was literally after, like pretty, pretty soon after like we did the last episode where I was just like practicing at home and I was trying to practice singing and I was just like hearing myself and like I like stopped. I like literally stopped like and I was like, bro, you suck. Like I just told myself I was like you know, I was like, dude, like do something, fix it, like because this isn't good. So like I remember for like a good year, um I like practiced in my bathroom. I like close the door and just like for a good year, I was just like I told myself it's like one of two things is gonna happen. You're just you're just gonna practice and sing your ass off. And it's like either you're gonna lose your voice and singing isn't meant for you, or you're gonna get better. I mean, I'd like to think that the second one happened, yeah. You know, but I still I still do the same thing to this day. Like I'm still like every day like just locking myself in my bathroom and just figuring new shit out just could to see you know because it's the thing about the voice, it's like me personally, I think it's the most difficult instrument because every voice is different. And it's like people can teach you teach you how to sing, but they can't teach you how to find your own voice. Like that's you gotta find out yourself.

SPEAKER_10 20:47

Yeah, that's and and the same thing is uh can be transferred to comedy. For sure, right? You can you you can know somebody can teach you the fundamentals of how to write a joke, how to write a joke, how to structure it, and this is uh this is a callback, this is a this is a setup, this is a punchline, this is a tag. But as far as like finding your voice, yeah, and I've talked, I've interviewed and and I've asked like comedians that have been doing it for uh as old as as I am. I mean not as old as I am, have been doing it for as old as I am. And they say it it takes a it takes a very long time.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

Because I mean you what I like about comedy and what I find so fascinating about is that it's like as a musician, as a singer, it's like I could hide behind a band. It's like you know, if I'm if I miss a note, it's like the band can kind of I could hide behind like the drums or something like that. It's comedy, it's like just you and Mike, bro.

SPEAKER_12 21:43

It's like if you suck, like you're bombing, you know, like you can't. You can't blame anybody else but yourself.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

And it's like a joke can be funny, but it's also the delivery, it's also the tone, it's also like your personality and how you carry yourself on the stage and how you present yourself. And like music is also the same way as like a frontman, it's like you can sing. But like you gotta have swag too, you know. You gotta you gotta own it and you gotta like really like demand the attention. So that's what I think is like even harder about comedy. It's like you just got that joke to tell, you know.

SPEAKER_10 22:11

And yeah, yeah. Yeah, and sometimes you don't it you it's a craft, right? So you you you don't develop that like within the first couple of years. No, it takes yeah, it takes it takes a while.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

Yeah, and it's like you gotta find your own style too. It's like every comedian has a different style, some are dry, some are dark. Like like Norm McDonald's a great example of like how he takes like a simple joke and just makes it a whole fucking monologue. Yeah. It's just like, damn, that was crazy.

SPEAKER_10 22:38

One of my favorites, too.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Yeah, he's he I just I think it was last night or the two nights ago where I saw he was on I think he was on Conan and he was telling this joke that he like he was in a car and they were driving him to the late night show, and he was like, Yeah, the driver told me a joke, and then Conan was like, Oh, really? And like that's how you get your maternality. He's like, Yeah, but wait till I say it. So it was like this joke about like a moth going to a podiatrist. Oh yeah, yeah, and it's like this super long monologue, and it's like it got me thinking. I'm like, that's crazy, cuz you can shorten that joke and be like, Oh, moth went to a podiatrist, and it's like and the doctor asked the moth, it's like, why did you come here? It's like, oh, because the light was on, yeah. It's like, okay, that's funny in itself, but he made this whole like thing, and it's like, damn, it's like genius, bro. Super, and like that's his style, you know. Another comedian could do it, and it's just not gonna hit the same because you know.

SPEAKER_10 23:29

And what I like too is you watch his earlier stuff and it's completely different. I bet I I love doing that, dude. I love watching earlier tapes. Same for me the music, yeah. Yeah, earlier tapes of of comics, and then watching their their new stuff or some of the stuff that they did before they they died, and it's just it's completely different. It's still them for sure. The voice, the message is a little bit different, but it's still them, and you can see like perfect example is is Mitch Hedberg. You know, Mitch, you gotta check him out. Mitch Hedberg, I'm gonna lie. He his view of the world is compl like there's there's no comparison, yeah when it comes to to Mitch. And through early on in his his career, you can see where that his view kind of like changed. Yeah. Interesting. And and it's just it it's it's awesome. And and I love doing that with the music too.

SPEAKER_02 24:31

Yeah, same. Like I'll like I love when I find a new artist that's already has like a catalog, I'll always go to the first album. Right away. Oh yeah. Yeah, I'll go to the first album, like I want to see like what the trajectory was and like how they sounded when they first started, and like to like now, it's like you can hear like if it's a band, you can hear the development of the sound between all of them together collectively, or it's like maybe like the band broke up for like one album and it just doesn't sound the same, and then the one that's like it's a comeback album, they're like, Oh man, there it is again, you know? Or it's like the singer, like you can hear their voice develop throughout the different epitomes of their artistry and stuff. Yeah, that's true. It and it's like a good example that people say is like the Beatles, it's like when they first started, like their sound and like their first albums were not the same as like what everybody knows as the Beatles. It's like their sound developed over years, and it's like that's just natural, you know.

SPEAKER_10 25:20

It's it's they even did a uh they did a Spanish song. Did they? Yeah, uh uh Beso Besame mucho. Oh really?

SPEAKER_02 25:30

Yeah, watch looking at I know Elvis did that version, but because Besame Mucho is a classic Mexican bolero. Yeah, yeah. Fun fact about that song, the girl that wrote it, I think she was 14 when she wrote it. Whoa! And she had never kissed a dude. Yeah. Really? So she was writing it to like this dude that she had a crush on and she was only 14 years old.

unknown 25:49

Dang.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

Consuelo Velasquez, I think is her name. If I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_09 25:53

Let's see if YouTube. Uh the internet's been a little laggy, even on my phone earlier.

SPEAKER_10 25:59

It's been laggy?

SPEAKER_09 26:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 26:00

A lot of people are on it.

SPEAKER_09 26:02

This question's odd, but I've been seeing it recently, and then it's it's making me like I guess reflect, right? Um, odd question, but I guess for both of you. Um, were you good at math when you were at school?

SPEAKER_02 26:17

No.

SPEAKER_09 26:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 26:18

Uh okay. I was alright at it up until I hit trigonometry.

SPEAKER_07 26:25

Oh, so you you got far. Okay, never mind. You were good at it.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

I was like I wasn't bad at it, but I wasn't like great at it either. You know, it's like I I would I was like a B student, maybe C student at math, you know.

SPEAKER_09 26:38

Because there's there, I guess the reason that I seen it was because I didn't read the article, but I seen like the headline and then it and then later on I seen like a video and they were saying that there's this correlation between like people that were good at are good at math versus people that like had a really, really horrible time at math. And they're noticing that people that couldn't grasp math as much, and it's not to say that they weren't good at it, but maybe it wasn't like top priority or it was one of those things that you dreaded, um were more creative, like used the creativity side of their brain versus like the engineers and yeah stuff.

SPEAKER_02 27:17

Yeah. Well, it's funny because like in college, I didn't study music in college, I wanted to study uh I st I went I studied languages, but the reason I studied languages, one of the main reasons was because I didn't want to do math, and that was the the career or like track that just like as long as you do that, like you only have to take one math class. So it's like that's where I'm going. I did not want to do math.

SPEAKER_10 27:39

I'm doing that one, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 27:40

And that's that's who I was like I dreaded math. Like I like even to to get my like to transfer into university, like it was taking me forever because I couldn't pass math. Everything else I excelled and everything, and I swear I would have like nightmares, like I still have nightmares now of being at school, and it's like something related to that. And now as an adult, I'm like, okay, this makes so much sense. Like, I never liked something that just had one outcome. I needed something that was like that's why I was good at English.

SPEAKER_10 28:16

I'm the exact opposite. I need a concrete answer. Like, if there's an answer that's a in a gray area, I freak out. Really? Because I'm like, what is it? Like, which one is it? Interesting. Math is so absolute. Yeah, there's no study's wrong. It may be this or it may be that. That's I think that's why I liked um like when I first started uh studying like Microsoft and all the suites, like I loved Excel. Yeah. Because of all the formulas that I was able to manipulate the the numbers. Interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 28:49

See, and I I have never been uh but I suck at math.

SPEAKER_10 28:53

I'm I'm I'm I'm not very good at math, but put me in front of a uh an Excel spreadsheet and I'll go buckwide.

SPEAKER_09 29:00

And I'm the total opposite. I don't want anything that has one concrete answer. Like if I can bullshit my way through it in that gray area, like that's for me. I swear. I mean, I've told him you heard of a mafia. I've told him the story countless times of when my mom started, my mom went back to school when I was still in elementary.

SPEAKER_04 29:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 29:21

And um, I would have to go to school early, and my school didn't have like an early, you know, like uh program or anything. So she put me in this other school anyways. But it was music. So I had to be there early in the morning, and then from there they would shuttle me to like my school. And I never in the like year and a half that I was there, never did I learn how to read music.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

Really?

SPEAKER_09 29:45

I could not read uh the music.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

Yeah, I can't read music anymore.

SPEAKER_09 29:50

But I played the clarinet and I passed and I went and I did like a show and everything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:59

Well, what's crazy is that like most of like the famous, the most famous like singers and songwriters and musicians that you might know, it's like they can't read music. They just vibe, like straight up. And it's like honestly, sometimes that's the best that's what makes them so great, is that they don't think they just go off of like what feels good. Because it's like once you start getting like super deep into like technical, technical theory and stuff, and it's it's like you start worrying too much about the rules and about like what this person might think or like the what this like musician might think, and it's like you start thinking too much like a musician rather than a consumer. And like that's to me, that's what I think makes like great songwriters and great artists is that they think like a consumer rather than like a musician. Because it's like as a musician, it's like I'm guilty of it too. Like sometimes I'll be like playing guitar, like I want to write a melody that's like that's like hard, you know, just like to like stroke my ego, I guess for lack of a better term, you know. But at the end of the day, it's like that's not what people want to hear. You know, people want to like feel something, they wanna and like most melodies that people like from like really hit songs, it's like they're memorable. And like they can sing, they can sing back to it, you know. It's like they might not be singers, but they can remember the melody because it's like so simple and it's just like catchy, you know. Right. So yeah.

SPEAKER_09 31:17

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_10 31:18

You found it?

SPEAKER_09 31:19

I did. It's this one, right?

SPEAKER_10 31:21

Interesting. Yeah, the the first one. It's in their uh anthology. Yeah, you can do that one or the the second second video.

SPEAKER_08 31:29

I had no idea.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

Yeah, I didn't know that they I know that that Elvis did it, right?

SPEAKER_10 31:41

Paul McCarthy. I feel like Paul was always doing some some oddball stuff like that. Yeah. Like with with those types of of rifts.

SPEAKER_02 32:23

What's crazy is that I've never been, I should say, I never was that big into the Beatles. No. Like I tried listening to them. And then I did a gig where they were Beatles fans, like the whole party was Beatles themed, so I had to learn like Beatles songs. I was like, ah, and then I started learning the songs, and I was like, oh shit, I get it.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

Like, I get the hype now.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

Like, yeah, like once I started like learning the songs and like learning the progressions and like the lyrics and stuff, I was like, Yeah, I could see why these guys were dude.

SPEAKER_10 32:52

When like circa 2012, 2013, man, I got sucked in, bro. Yeah, I got sucked in. Like it was like Beatle Mania all over again. I listened to all their albums. I I every documentary video on these guys I watched, yeah. And it all stemmed from because I was in college and uh I was taking a writing class, yeah, and one of my projects was to write um I I I don't know, I can't remember what like the thesis was, but I ended up writing about uh Elvis and how he faked his death. Oh, that's what it was. I was writing, I was supposed to write a paper on persuasive, like persuasive writing. Okay. And I was supposed to persuade the people that Elvis faked his death. Sounds cool. Yeah, exactly. So I wrote my paper on that, and one of the examples was uh is Paul dead? And the theory about uh the original Paul McCartney dying in 1962, 63, yeah, and they replaced him with a uh like a body or whatever you look alike.

SPEAKER_02 34:02

Crazy. I had heard something like that. Yeah, yeah, when you're like 3 a.m. you can't sleep and you're on TikTok and let me tell you about this story.

SPEAKER_10 34:10

Yeah, I was I was doing TikTok dives before TikTok was even a thing, yeah. Yeah, it was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

Yeah, have you like heard about that in 2012, bro? That's pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_03 34:20

Yeah, that's a pretty crazy conspiracy theory for two years.

SPEAKER_10 34:22

Yeah, and then I heard I heard it again like five years later, it was like I already I looked into that. Because they're late to the game, but even the Elvis thing was was was crazy too. Um I mean they say the same thing about Michael Jackson, yeah. Do you believe that man?

SPEAKER_02 34:39

I don't know. It's to be honest, it is a little believable, like because like the thing about those guys is like the level of fame that they got, yeah, is like abnormal, bro. Like basically like they lost any sense of a normal life after that, like both Elvis and like Michael Jackson. So it's just like could there get to a could it get to a point where like someone's just like I'm tired of this, like I want to go back to the way life was before and just like you know be chill, and like they have the money to do it, absolutely, you know.

SPEAKER_09 35:15

So but do you fool like because like the Michael Jackson thing, right? The you know how the movie came out, so now everything's like again like resurfacing. I've watched it twice already. That's what is it good? It's amazing, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:26

It's a really good movie.

SPEAKER_09 35:27

Um, but I I'm a Michael Jackson fan as is, but you know, everything that I've been seeing and like okay, let's say that he faked his death, right? Because I I can see what you're saying, like absolutely like he got to a point where it's like worldwide, like he wasn't even just the US, it wasn't it was like worldwide, and that's what I was trying to go over the other day. I was like, you know what? I go, I think Michael Jackson, or I asked him, I said, Was Michael Jackson more popular than the Beatles? And he's like, I don't know. And I'm like, I think that he was. I go, because if I ask like my family that still lives in like El Rancho, like in Sinaloa, I'm gonna be like, Oh, do you know the Beatles are? And they're gonna be like, oh, los del Pelito or something, you know, and they're gonna be like, Oh, Michael Jackson's. But if I say Michael Jackson, they're gonna be like, oh, of course, you know. So that's how I I don't know. That's my grading system of it.

SPEAKER_12 36:17

I agree with you, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 36:18

But what I was gonna get at was like, okay, let's say Michael Jackson did fake it, right? Like, do you fake it and not tell anybody, or do you fake it and everybody's in on it? Because I was seeing like um when they did his funeral and it's like hundreds of celebrities and like people getting on stage and tributes, like like how how far, you know what I mean? Would someone go? And is it like everyone's in on it, or just like I don't know. That was what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 36:49

Some people have to know, you know, like there there has to be some people that know the truth, and it's like I feel like if you're gonna do that, there's only select few people that yeah, because it's just like the more people know, it's gonna slip out. Someone's you know, someone's gonna slip. So it's like however, whatever the process is to get that done, it's like it's whoever the the mastermind is, and then maybe some family members, and that's it.

SPEAKER_10 37:13

They had this strange picture of I guess like a look like walking, like it was the corners or the morgue, yeah, and then it was uh ambulance that supposedly took him, and there was like a shadowy like figure person that had like his profile like walking. But I I I yeah, I don't know about that because I mean come on, like I that's too obvious. Yeah, yeah. You can't do that.

SPEAKER_02 37:44

Yeah, I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_10 37:45

It's there's also those stories are like it's they're pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

They can get they get really wild really quick, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 37:51

There's also uh Dave Dave, which was a burn victim that uh Michael knew that he went on he went on Larry King Live. Uh-huh. And see if you could if you could show him. It's a burn victim. Um and Dave Dave grew up and uh like after Michael passes away, he goes on Larry King, Larry King Live, and he talks about like his relationship with Michael Jackson and the voice, the the the face structure, yeah, yeah, yeah, the mannerisms, all exactly like Michael Jackson.

SPEAKER_09 38:31

Wait, so they're saying that it that like from when he had the burn accident, right? They turned him into this person.

SPEAKER_10 38:39

Well, they said that Dave, the real Dave Dave passed away from from like his injuries and Michael after he passed away, assumed assumed his life. Because Michael Jackson was known to like use disguises. Yeah, like he'd like to be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:59

Well, he would I I've seen videos where he like dressed up as an old man just to go grocery shopping because he wanted to like feel that again. And like the thing about him too, where why I think at least hit he would be the most believable to do that, is he was famous since he was like six, bro. Yeah, like he was in the spotlight since he was six, six, seven, eight. I can't remember the exact age, but like he was huge since he was like a little kid. Like he's never known the semblance of a normal life. Right. Imagine like how crazy that is.

SPEAKER_09 39:31

Like, yeah, and it's like you get to a point where you're probably tired, and by that point it would already have been like a little over 20, no, more than 20 years. Probably 30. Yeah, like 30, 40 years.

SPEAKER_10 39:43

Because he was how old when he passed away?

SPEAKER_09 39:45

He was uh 50.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

Yeah, he wasn't in the 60s for sure. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_09 39:50

Like, yeah, maybe he's on an island somewhere. I don't know. Probably, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 39:57

He's with Tupac and Biggie and Elvis, all the whole gang.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 40:03

I mean, I don't know. I I feel like I would see in the the movie that that came out, like honestly, like I I had heard a few, like, you know, just people that like movie critics and people that see it before, and there was people that were like, Oh, you know, um, the actor didn't look like him, and la la, you know, just the obvious that people have. So I went in and I said, I'm not gonna take that into consideration. And nothing, like, I'm just gonna watch it. And honestly, it's like I was like the whole time, I was just like, Oh my god, like it's amazing. Even if if let's say that there are pieces that maybe were glorified, or pieces that maybe weren't put in there, because I know his daughter had like a little bit of a issue with it, she didn't want anything to do with it, and then she kind of said something at like in interviews, like kind of saying, like, oh well, there was some truth that you know wasn't put in there, but as a film, as a film in itself, it was amazing, and then his nephew who plays him. Um, I had seen an interview that Oh, it was his nephew, it was his nephew, so it's just Jafar Jackson, yeah. So it's his actual nephew. That's what I was saying. I'm like, who could you get that's not as close as and and the way that they depicted him in the movie was it's his early years, it's not Michael later, you know. So it's like you know, come on, like that's as close as you can get. But they interviewed the nephew, and they were saying that the nephew had never prior to this movie had ever acted, had ever sang. Like he was not in the industry at all. He's like, Oh, I wanted to play professional golf, like that's what he was into. And then he found out that that you know, this director had gotten the rights to Michael Jackson's story and that they were gonna do a movie. And he said, He's like, even then, I didn't like want to approach them. Like I had no, you know, want, no intention. And the director approached him and said, Hey, like, do you want to be part of this movie? And he's like, I don't know. And he's like, Okay, he's like, I still need you to audition though. And he's like, All right, cool. It took him two years to study Michael, like his uncle, everything, embody him, and after the two years, he went and he did the audition. Yeah, so that's what they're saying. Like, because some people were saying, like, oh, it was an nepotism, and I was like, No, like this guy put in the work and like learned, and like even his voice sounds just like him, yeah. And it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 42:34

And I was like, man, that's well, you know, supposedly that that that wasn't actual Michael's actual voice. Really? Well, he would talk like that, like the high pitch to save his voice for singing. That he actually had a very like deep voice. But after he like took vo there's this very famous uh voice instructor called Seth Riggs, that he pretty much like gives vocal lessons to like all the top like singers. And I guess he like had told Michael's like when you speak normally, it's like it's really not that great for your voice. So it's like, but if you like speak in a higher tone, like that actually saves your voice. Like another person that does this is Ariana Grande. I don't know if you were.

SPEAKER_09 43:08

I I've seen that recently.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

But it's like there's Joe, I think it's like Chris Chris Tucker, Chris Rock or Chris Tucker? I think it's Chris Tucker actually, that he says that he was like, or maybe it was Eddie Murphy, one of those guys.

SPEAKER_09 43:20

Because Chris Tucker was really good friends with Michael.

SPEAKER_02 43:22

Yeah, it was either him or Eddie Murphy or one of those, one of those guys, and then he uh he was saying it's like yeah, like I was just like chilling with him, and like he actually like was like talking like this, like very like like like actually like a black dude, like he was like pretty much saying, and then like at the award ceremonies, he would like change his voice to like you know everybody. Yeah, exactly. But he would do that to save to that makes sense. Yeah, because technically talking is pretty bad for your voice, like the more you do it, like consistently. Like there's this uh country singer called uh Luke Combs that um he pretty much said that like the night before one of his shows, like he went out and he was just like drinking with his friends and just like talking. Talking and then the next day, like his voice was just like shot. Wow. It's like, yeah, it's it's because it's two different mechanisms when you're talking versus when you're singing.

SPEAKER_09 44:08

Dang.

SPEAKER_10 44:09

Oh, okay. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_09 44:10

I'm not gonna talk so I can conserve my but whatever little voice I have.

SPEAKER_02 44:14

Yeah, but that's why he would he would change his voice like that, supposedly. I don't know if it's true or not, but I think there's a clip.

SPEAKER_10 44:20

There's a there's an actual clip of of supposedly hearing Michael Jackson's real voice.

SPEAKER_08 44:26

Like his real voice?

SPEAKER_10 44:27

Yeah. I I w I seen it like I'll I'll look it up right now a couple weeks ago.

SPEAKER_09 44:32

But but I mean it makes sense. It makes sense. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:34

I mean I believe it. I I could see I could see him actually.

SPEAKER_09 44:37

I'm always that your real voice show us your real voice.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

I wouldn't be able to like my my conservative voice. Hi guys. Speaking of like Mickey Mouse.

SPEAKER_09 44:48

So I was gonna ask you, um, because you are in the country, you know, like um genre of music, right? How does American country and like Norteño how like how different and how similar are they?

SPEAKER_02 45:08

I know it's a pretty loaded question, but I mean if you can answer it in like it's it's funny because instrumentation-wise, like sonically, it is pretty different. Um because like Norteño uses like the accordion, they use the bajo sexto. It has very it has instruments that are very specific to like the genre. However, the chord progressions and the thematics of both genres overlap a lot. So it's like country and like Norteño is like it's like about the rancho, you know, like just like life outside of the city, you know, heartbreak, drinking, doing dumb shit, you know women like falling in love and like you know, being a scoundrel or whatever. And it's just like so it overlaps, you know. And one of the songs that we actually released is a mix of bluegrass and norteño. It's called El Potronamora, which is basically which is funny, um I'm pretty sure I actually wrote it around the time that I was I was on the podcast the last time. I had written it more as a purpose to pitch it to Pepe Aguilar. I wanted because we had gotten this opportunity to write some songs for for Angela and her camp. So I was like, I just was like listening to Pepe and like listening to Angela, and then this idea came out of like this guy saying that it's like you know, he's he's this like wild horse that can't be tamed, you know. But then like he finds one girl and everything changes, you know. So it's a corrido, it's like a it's like an old school, like just like just things that you would hear like Norteño like singers sing back in the day. But so when I wrote it, I wrote like a Nortenio song like a corrido. But then once we produce it and we released it for ourselves, uh my my roommate who like produces all my stuff, um Anca Duran, he um he was like, let's put a bluegrass beat behind it. Like a country, like like the country drums, the country rhythm guitar, we'll add a fiddle, and then we'll have the accordion to make it norteño. And it fits. It just you know, like it it's a little different, you know, because nobody really has ever done that before, but it it fits, you know.

SPEAKER_11 47:25

Do you have it somewhere on online that uh it's called El Mano? Mind if we listen to it? El Potro Namorado.

SPEAKER_09 47:33

Because I'm uh I love Norteño. Oh me too. What's funny is that But I'm a certified um country hater.

SPEAKER_02 47:42

Oh really? Which is you haven't you haven't heard the good stuff, that's why. Yeah, I have to put you on some real good stuff. But uh it's funny because uh so I I grew up on in Nogales, Arizona, which is like it's so there's Nogales, Arizona, and then there's Nogales Sonora. It's and it's separated by the fence. Like so we're we um share a border with with the Norte, the Norteños de Sonora. So I grew up with a lot of Norteño music, but mainly because like I liked it, but my mom is more of a rocker. So like my mom would listen to like Enitos Verdes, Caifanes, Jaguares, Manai, uh Hombres G. She didn't really like Norteño, but I liked it and I would like hear it on the radio all the time, and like one of my tiaas is like a huge like Norteño fan. So I I would always love it. I would love listening to like Tigres del Norte, Ramon Ayala, all the like old school bandas, Original Banda Limon, Record. I would love it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_09 48:36

Yeah, my my mix it I'm very much so mixed. Both my parents were born in Mexico, but then raised here. Yeah. My dad's from Sinaloa, so my dad likes Banda Norteño, and then my mom is from Ensenada. So my mom likes like baladas and like you know, pimpinella and Jose Jose, but then she likes like Sade, and then she likes uh so it's like like literally everything that I listened to in my home was never the same. Yeah. Like everything was so like my mom liked the BGs, and then my daddy. Ramonayala, and then like it it the BC boys. My dad used to pop long, but then he used to listen to like norteños, you know? And it's it's a really and I didn't realize that I had grown up with this like eclectic variety of music melting pot of different sounds in your house.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

And then it's why the biggest. Because like anybody can listen to whatever they want, right? But we have the benefit of being surrounded by all these different types of genres, not because it's like what we want to listen to, but because of like the people around us, that's what they listen to. So it's just like, yeah, it's like again, my mom like also loved the BGs, like she would all like the English stuff that she would like listen to, it's like U2 and like some of like the old school rock rock eyes. Yeah. And then it's like like I would be around Norteño all the time just because of where I grew up. My great grandma and my grandma had a radio station from that would had a radio that would only get a radio station from Noela Sonora. And they would play like La Sonora Santanera and like Pedro Infante Javersolis, so all the old school stuff. And it's just like, but then I'm also in the United States, technically, because it was Arizona. So it's like all my schoolmates would be like listening to like Kanye West and like J. Cole and just like ACDC, the clash, you know. So it's like like what a blessing to be able to just be around all that stuff. And it's like you can either like it or you don't, but it's it's beyond the point, it's just like you're around it, you know? Yeah. So and that plays a huge plays an impact on you, you know.

SPEAKER_09 50:48

And I think it also shapes you as a person and also the way that you are within community, the way that you are with people, because I do think that like music and having again this array of like different genres, it opens you up it does like to other avenues and and you know, other cultures and other things. It's like this and and I guess like growing up, you always or at least for myself, I can speak for myself, like I didn't know where I fit. I always felt like I had to be extra Mexican. If I went to Mexico, I wasn't Mexican enough. If I was here, I wasn't American enough. But then as I got older, I was like, no, like there's I don't have to be more than one. Like I can like everything just like music. And one of my favorite things to do is like because Gil, you know, Gil's Mexican, but he doesn't speak Spanish.

SPEAKER_10 51:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 51:41

But putting like songs on, and then he'll be like, what are they saying? What is this song about? And then like translate.

SPEAKER_10 51:48

I was just gonna comment on that and say, like, I like North Daniel music. Yeah, I have no clue what they're talking about, but it just it sounds good. Yeah, yeah. They could be talking about like an I don't know, the root beer float and hanging out on the beach and you know, smoking cracker. But I it sounds beautiful, it sounds cool. Yeah, it makes me want to drink every time I hear North. Oh, dude. Yeah, every time.

SPEAKER_03 52:14

Oh my god. I want to fuck shit up, bro. Yeah, no, seriously.

SPEAKER_02 52:20

It's dangerous, bro. Yeah. Seriously. When I hear like the old school band, and like the old school norteños. Oh my god, like I just want to like go.

SPEAKER_09 52:26

I don't I don't drink anymore. Like, I'm I don't say I'm like so I just don't like tomorrow. But every time I put Norte, like the other day, the day before yesterday I was showering and I like to shower with music. Yeah. And I was like, like, you know, in the shower singing and everything, and I was like, dang, I can fuck up a beer right now or something.

SPEAKER_10 52:48

Like and I in our own drink. The refrigerator opening slope on its own and a beer floating, a modello floating over she's using her powers.

SPEAKER_09 52:57

There's just something about that that it's just like what is it?

SPEAKER_02 53:01

What is it? I don't know, man. It's magical, it's something. Yeah, because it's just like well, that's the thing about music too, that I feel like we were talking about it earlier about how it's just like it's not really like like writing to like hear, but it's more like what you feel. It's a feeling, it's a feeling, and it's like certain songs just make you feel something, yeah. And it's you know, and it's like I don't know if it's just because of like the stuff that we would like see growing up while listening to that, or it's just like there's just something in that energy that it's just like what the matter with me, you know, yeah, drink, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 53:40

Yeah, I I hear you know, some some songs are like about you know, about breaking up with a boyfriend, and I'm just like I feel sad, like damn, like I lost a boyfriend too. You know what I mean? And it's just it just it does that to you. Yeah, no, it does, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 53:55

And and I don't want to be like biased, maybe I am biased. It's just this is my humble opinion. My humble opinion. About what? But there's nothing like uh as many genres as I grew up listening to and as I like, there's nothing like Spanish music that'll make me feel it to my entire core is Spanish music.

SPEAKER_02 54:20

Well, to take it a step further, like since we were talking about comedy, is like I think Mexican culture has uh some of the best music that like again evokes emotion, but also Mexican humor. There's no there's nothing I've been to like so many different countries, and there is not one country in the world that I've been to that can match Mexican humor. And like obviously I am biased because I'm Mexican, but like I'm just stating facts of like what it actually is. Like, there's just something about the way we can like banter and like the wittiness that we have, it's unmatched, bro.

SPEAKER_10 54:55

It's like I I can I like I said, uh I don't know the language, yeah. But uh Amber has this is your uncle who the um the one that was dancing at at your uh your grandma's uh oh yeah yeah yeah thing it's your uncle your uncle I have I don't his Spanish is like too fast for me so I I can't I can understand some Spanish but his Spanish is like way too fast but he was around the guys and he was just he was making them laugh and it was I don't know what it was in the room but I started laughing just be just the way he was like exactly what he was doing like he the way he was moving in his face facial expressions the way he was moving his hands and it was just funny and it just made it ten times funnier because it was in Spanish and I had no clue what he was talking about but I still laugh have you ever seen Shrek in Spanish? I have oh my god it's like a whole it's like a whole different series yeah bro it's like Shrek in English is funny but like in Spanish it's just like they took it yeah because sometimes sometimes there's there's um like movies that they translate in Spanish and it's like okay it's okay but I think Shrek was one of those that was what we were watching we we uh because you have this thing where Amber Amber listens to to w what what do you do with the TV that what happens with it's on on HBO Max whenever I I watch like a series that's in Spanish I have to change it because the TV automatically like the app will only do it in English so then I'm like what the fuck doesn't make sense and then I have to go and I have to put on the original language so sometimes I forget to take it off so then when so when I when he goes to watch it yeah and then it starts and it's like oh lay and he's like and we put on we put on Friday oh yeah it was Friday we put on Friday and you know Chris Chris Tucker's like monologue at the beginning so hilarious what is he saying he's he's it's Friday and Goro was like is he saying as Spanish like yeah I was like oh shit I'm sorry I gotta just change it back that's hilarious yeah that's it's just again maybe we're being biased but there's just like this there's something yeah something and then we get it too I think it's just like we get it it's universal yeah but humor is is is universal but there's just some something about it is universal but I think it's also cultural right oh yeah absolutely like every every different yeah every humor from like every country like there's a there's a tad bit of like culture attached to it in order for it to make sense and and on what it is right on what the subject matter is like and then even like how it's presented yeah on stage or like by listening to it it's just that's there's a lot of nuances.

SPEAKER_02 57:59

Comedy too is just pretty much like taking the truth and like making it funny or like expanding on it and like or touching on that subject to like what makes what about it makes it funny.

SPEAKER_09 58:09

And there's a perfect example that happened to us was you know I I go with Gilbert to comedy shows and things like that. And I laugh like I do laugh like I'm like ha ha you know like me. But we went to this comedy festival and I didn't know that there was gonna be a comedian that did his entire set in Spanish. Oh yeah no we so the whole time we're watching the show and it's all English and they're Latinos but they all did their set in English. So then this guy comes out and he does he starts doing his set in Spanish Richard Villa and Gilbert was looking at me like I've never seen you laugh this fucking hard and he's like what is he saying and I'm like I can't fucking translate right now like I can't translate this like there's no way that it's going to be funny from like English and from Spanish to translate to you in in like because I I've mastered like the art of like translating really quickly like you know that's what he's saying oh oh okay and then like you paraphrase like spark notes but this I was like leave me alone like I need to laugh and I can't tell you his jokes like and I was laughing so hard and he's like I've never seen you laugh that hard like watching comedy and I was like yeah that too I was I was laughing along with her because it was just so comical even watching him his facial expressions the way he was moving his body he was very physical on stage and that was like on its own even though we weren't speaking the same language yeah his body language was still comedy yeah and it was making me laugh.

SPEAKER_02 59:49

Yeah yeah yeah crazy yeah what do they say we don't take over the world because we don't want to yeah yeah yeah because we don't want to yeah that's what that's like a saying that they say like oh really it it's to kind of like to say like we can do it all and we're yeah good at everything right we can do it but and we could do it we just we just don't want to busy and I agree busy having a good time all right let's put this your songs yeah it's this one yeah okay this is the one again the music video is freaking amazing yeah and this this one's fairly new yeah November that's really that's awesome dude yeah so that's uh great job man mix mix of both bluegrass country yeah norteño that's cool so and we get like the musicians that we have there it's it's cool because it's like we literally have a blend of everything it's like our drummer uh used to play with Joan Sebastian for many years the fiddle player that we got used to play for uh Dwight Yoakum um then who else the accordion player plays for uh La Santa Cecilia so it's just like we have like literally like the guys that can just like pull it off you know yeah so it's yeah it's super super cool.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:23

That's that's really I I would have never thought bluegrass and like that it blurred it out.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:30

Yeah yeah that and it's funny because the song that actually like really like took us off and and got us attention was a song that we were kind of scared to release because we're like ah people are gonna probably hate on this because it's like it's a country song but we put a tuba in it. So instead of a bass like an actual bass we put tuba to replace the bass. So it's pretty much like a country vanda song and we're like yeah people are not gonna like fuck with this you know but it's like they loved it. And the previous song the one that we just listened to yeah is that a uh an upright is that acoustic uh the acoustic bass uh huh yeah it's uh it's an upright yeah there's something about uh upright yeah music I mean upright in music that I just I just love I don't know what it is the homie that actually played a bass on that uh his name's Blake Estral he's actually a a jazz player yeah yeah oh I bet he can rip yeah he can rip I bet he can rip yeah but he's so but it's a jazz bass is playing yeah corridos you know which which is also we also met another group uh Carlos y Charlos oh yeah those are guys are homies yeah yeah yeah yeah dude they're they're dope yeah awesome they got that traditional sound yes yeah but then they play yeah they play like a different type of genre music like later it's um what song were they playing I know they they play some like English stuff too yeah they do like yeah you haven't seen them I don't think so were they playing Johnny Cash or they were playing um watch let's not the one that I seen they were doing like a like a 1930s type of oh it was like a Zydeco song like from like Louisiana or something like that.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:06

Yeah yeah yeah yeah and he said like the the guy that plays a Tololoche for them he's like a white guy. Yeah like he doesn't I don't even think he speaks Spanish.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:15

Which is crazy is like just to show that it's like music doesn't need a language you know it's its own language like it translates you know it's like but they're called something else in English or when they when they play in English they have a different they have a different name.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:32

Charles and Charles Charles and Charles in English and the only reason I found out was because a friend of mine went to like a Halloween festival yeah and they used them in the festival because they had that like you know like that little creepy like vibe and I was like wait I know those guys yeah no they're dope.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:53

They're super super cool guys yeah I'm probably not gonna I'm probably not gonna find what I'm Looking right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

Yeah, they're playing Folsom Prison. They're playing some Johnny Cash. Yeah. Yeah. I know what song. There's one specific English song that they do that that like really stands out. I can't remember which one it was, but it's like a rock song or something like that. Is it really? Is it really? Yeah. California Feet Woman's a breakfast table.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:18

I think it's the fleet something, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:20

It's also a homie uh Decibel Studios.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:23

Yeah, it's this is it what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:26

Playing for the breakfast table. Our first song is an original tune written by Carlos Reynoso back there. It's called Won't Do It Again.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:37

Oh, the California Pete Momers.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:45

See, that's the Will I won't do it again.

SPEAKER_13 1:06:54

It's the last time I drink all that in.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:06

And what's crazy is the gun in the upright. Uh-huh. In Gandalf, he plays uh the bajo quinto. So he plays a whole different instrument. Yeah, these guys are legit. Yeah, super cool guys. Incredible musicians.

SPEAKER_13 1:07:20

I put my left foot in my right book.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:23

Yeah, we had him, we had him here. Um we did a uh Mexed, we called it Mextober, but it was Oktoberfest. Oh, okay. We did one upstairs. Super cool. And we hired them to to come and play. And that was the first time I had seen stuff, and my friends um had already like seen them in person. And again, I hadn't drunk in a long time.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:48

And I thought I got like we got trash.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:51

So drunk.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:52

No, you didn't get drunk, we got trash.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:55

But like I had to.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:58

It's like it's looking speed on them. So that's just like the vibe that you're getting from that stuff.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:03

So and just listening to them because they're they play Norteño, right? For people that don't don't know, but it's that old school. It's the old school, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:11

They keep it, they keep it super, super traditional. I think that so like probably like the best group that they could be like compared to is like Miguel y Miguel or Cadet Sendinares, you know? And it's like that's kind of the style that they you know it's very simple, but man, they they pack a punch though, those guys are legit.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:29

Yeah, they they I was telling uh remember I told you so Miguel Miguel Um one day we were sitting on the couch, Gobert and I, and and again I was like, ah this music makes me want to drink and I'm gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_10 1:08:41

I think before yeah, you're putting on music videos, music videos, yeah, and and I had she was trying to school me before the the show so she can give me kind of less than a lot of things.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:50

And then Miguel Miguel came out, and then he's like, Oh, who are those guys? And I'm like, Oh, you know, I'm explaining. And then I was like, Oh, you know what? I was like, Miguel Miguel sang happy birthday to my dad. And he's like, How? And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know how it so I don't know how it happened. Yeah, um, but we were at my uncle's house here in Paramount, and I just remember having a carnasada, and then this tour bus approaches and pulls up in front of my uncle's house, and I was like, Who the fuck is on this tour bus? Like, you know, like and then Miguel and Miguel get off the tour bus. And we were having a carnada for my dad, that's what it was. It was gonna be his birthday soon, and it was at his brother's house. And then I'm like, at that point, I was still young, I knew who they were, but I didn't like know who they were, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:36

The impact of them, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:38

And then they got off, they ate and everything, and then you know, like whoever was there that knew, they were like, Oh shoot, like you know, and then they took down just like their guitarra and they just started like, yeah, like it wasn't like no speakers, nothing, and then um and then his my dad's brother's like, It it's gonna be his birthday, and he's like, Alright. And then they sang happy birthday to them, and then it wasn't like years later that I was like, Oh shit, dad, like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:03

That's cool. It's funny because um so my grandfather, he was a professional luchador in in Novales Sonora. So he was like pretty famous like back in the day. And my mom says that like since he was like pretty well known that a bunch of artists would like go to their house and like you know play music and stuff. So like one of the like most famous guys that like my mom would remember that would like show up was um Lorenzo de Monteclaro.

SPEAKER_12 1:10:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:25

Yeah, you get on dando.

SPEAKER_12 1:10:27

Yeah, yeah. That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:30

Yeah, so it's like it's kind of crazy to think that it's like that can happen. You know, it's like just like a guy can like one of the most famous like singers can just like show up at your house and like just like all right, let's jam out.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:42

Like my my all-time forever will be engraved in my brain is my best friend and I had bought tickets to see um Ramonayala.

SPEAKER_16 1:10:52

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:52

And I already had seen Ramona Ayala like a few times. I have my I like him, but I have my reserves about him. That's for another podcast. But um we went, right? And and it was right here in Long Beach, and we went, and we I remember getting our drinks, going, sitting down. That time I drank. Yeah um and getting our drinks, sitting down, and then a mariachi came out, and you know, we're like, oh, how nice, clapping, and then somebody announced and they said, Hey, we have a really, really special guest coming out. This is the first time they're coming on, you know, this little tour that Ramonayella's doing, la la la. Like, put your hands together for Cadetas Elenares. Oh, and I just remember like losing my shit. Like losing my shit. Like, because I never thought like I'd see them. I didn't even think like they're they're you know, like why why did you think that you didn't see them?

SPEAKER_10 1:11:48

Because they they didn't play music at the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:51

I don't think they do a lot of they didn't do a lot of public appearances or something. I mean they because it's like a lot of those groups, like their heyday was like back, you know, like in the 60s, 70s, 70s, wow, maybe 80s. Yeah, I wasn't even born. So it's like a lot of those guys from that era, like they're still around today, but they're just not like touring. You know, yeah, yeah. So it's like, but they come back and you're just like, oh man, you know. It's kind of like uh Los Wookiees, you know? Okay, you know like Los Wookiees, yeah. It's like their heyday was like in the 70s and 80s. It's like, but then they have a comeback tour and it's like and everybody's like yeah, you know, so it's like it hits that nostalgia that's like it's perfect timing, you know.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:31

Well, that's how I got, and I just remember like chugging as much beer as it could and singing that I blacked out by the time Ramanayala came out. Which I didn't care because I already had seen them. Yeah, but to me it was like I'm sorry, Ramanayala, but I don't care. Like like this concert was them, not you.

SPEAKER_10 1:12:51

Is he still uh out touring? I do we know.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:54

I think he's like doing his like last like hurrah tour right now, but I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_10 1:12:59

I seen him for like I used to work at the LA County Fair, yeah, and they used they used to book him every every year and ever for like five, six years straight, I seen him like every year, and I thought it was like it was it was the coolest thing. He's he's a classic man. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:15

And then I and then I I bursted his bubble.

SPEAKER_10 1:13:18

About what?

SPEAKER_09 1:13:19

When I told you about that, he doesn't really sing.

SPEAKER_10 1:13:22

Oh yeah, for some reason I thought I thought he he sang and but he just played the accordion. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:28

And he was like, What? I thought he sang the whole time. I remember the night when I told him, and he's like, What? What do you mean? And I'm like, no, he's just the face pretty much the face on the accordion.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:38

Blew my mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's a he's a badass accordion player, though. Like all those songs that he has, like, uh, tragos almagos, like the list just goes on and on. So you hear him, and it's like, yeah, it makes you want to just fuck shit up. Every time I hear that, like dun dun dun dun dun dun. I'm like, no, don't play that right now.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:07

The so who's uh who's the guy that actually sings the songs then? I think it's his uh his uh player.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:14

I have the name on my head and I can't take it out. What's his name?

SPEAKER_10 1:14:18

Uh but it's always that guy that sings the songs, right? Yeah. Does he at least does like uh like does he add his or something?

SPEAKER_16 1:14:28

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:29

Yes, yeah, he does, right? Because on on uh it that's what it sounds like on some of the songs that there's there's harmonies in there.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:38

What is his name?

SPEAKER_10 1:14:39

You know his name.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:41

I um Eliseo Robles.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:43

Oh, Eliseo Robles. Okay, I do know his name.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:45

I just didn't know that was Eliseo Robles is the main, like he does the main voice, and then Ramona Yala does segunda and accordion. That's like but but Eliseo Robles is like like the spotlight is here, and Eliseo Robles is like in the dark.

SPEAKER_11 1:15:02

He's in the green room, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:04

It's like like uh Mili Vanilli all over again.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:09

Crazy. Actually, it's a crazy reference, right? That's a crazy reference, bro. Milly vanilli.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:19

No, don't don't clip that.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:21

That was a good one. That's going in the bank.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:25

I was trying to think on like who no, but I mean Ramona Yala sings. He does sing. Millie Vanilli didn't, they were lip singing, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:15:33

Actually Simpson did the same thing too for a lot of years.

SPEAKER_11 1:15:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:37

But it was her voice.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:38

She was just back tracking, no? Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:40

Yeah, no, Mili Vanili was like that was not their voice. They just like there was in the back singing the entire concert.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:50

Crazy. That's insane. That's wild. Yeah. And that was what back in the early 90s? That was 90s. Like 80s. 80s, 90s. Imagine the technology now that people can imagine how many people are doing that. Yeah. Or like the the girl that the kid rocked at that during the Super Bowl thing for uh the that show. It was, but he wasn't even like trying to go along with it. I see I seen some of the show and it was he didn't care.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:22

Yeah, he didn't care. Technology is so advanced now that anybody can sing. Like anybody could just like record like the like the most terrible vocals that you can and you can fix that.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:32

So, how dude, how do you feel about that? How do you feel about okay, what you just described, the the auto-tune, but not just an auto-tune for a specific sound. It's like auto-tune to sound like a a a professional singer.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:46

I mean, it is what it is, you know. It's like there is certain songs where like it gives it a vibe, you know? It's like where I'm like, okay, I can I can I can vibe with that. You know, it's like T-Pain, you know, T-Pain made like auto tune super like popular. Sure. Right. It's like that's the vibe though, you know, like that's the style. But there's other ones where it's just like bro, that dude can't sing at all. And it's like like what you hear on the record is like not what it sounds live, or like, you know, but it is what it is. Yeah. It's like, well, what are you gonna do? It's like you can either complain and just like you can complain, do the same thing, or just try and do your best and get better, you know.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:23

So plus there's not gonna be uh music from an actual like human being is gonna be different from uh an artificial intelligence uh trying to write a piece of music because of the the feeling that you're talking about. Yeah, everybody.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:44

Everybody was like like in the music scene, everybody saying like AI is you know writing songs and all that stuff, and it's like yeah, but AI has never felt a broken heart, you know? Like AI is not Mexican. AI is not Mexican, AI can't get trashed just because I hear an accordion, you know, AI can't like say like I'm sorry because I cheated. AI can't like you know AI just doesn't live an actual life, you know. It lacks that emotion. Again, to me, what AI is is just another tool. You know, if you know how to use it appropriately, it can be a very, very useful tool, you know. But some people just take it too far and then they just like use it as a crutch and use it the whole way. It's like there's some people that like just like think that they're songwriters now, and they just put an idea in the Chat GPT, then put it in Suno, and then the song came out, and it's like it sounds like a song, but it doesn't it lacks something, you know? Like it doesn't something is missing, like it's not saying something, it's not like speaking to me, you know. So yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:18:57

Some of the I I think this is by AI or or from like a software. Yeah. But have you heard uh there's like a I guess somebody does like the thriller album, but like if thriller was made in the 1950s.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:13

Oh yeah, bro, those things are like super cool. Like I love them. Okay, like they're yeah, and again, like when I first saw that, I I thought two things. I was like, all right, the first thing, this shit's gonna burn out really quick because everybody's gonna do like a thousands of them. Then like within a month, everybody was like, alright, like they just kept scrolling. Yeah, but two, it's like imagine seeing that shit live by an actual band. Oh yeah. Imagine like a band that's like, you know what, that version sounds cool as hell. Let's learn it, you know? Like, let's learn it, let's play it live, and that would hit, you know? Yeah, so it's like again, it's a tool. It's like you can't see AI perform that live, but imagine like seeing the California Feet Warmers play like Billy Jean and like in like a 60s version. It's like hell yeah, you know? So have you heard of Ember?

SPEAKER_08 1:20:00

No, I can't.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:02

My favorite one was uh Many Men by 50 Cent, made in this like super like old school bluesie style. Really? Oh man.

SPEAKER_10 1:20:10

What do I put? Do Thriller 1960s, I don't know, like 1960s thriller or something like that.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:19

Did you guys know that there was a different version of Thriller?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:22

Oh, I'm not surprised.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:24

I just learned that today.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:25

Yeah, same with um like the song or the album? Yeah, like the song. Yeah, the same thing with uh that Backstreet Boys or NSYNC uh the I Want It That Way. The first version of it's completely different from like I was like, I mean, some songs do that, they like take different forms and it's like until they finally find the right one. Supposedly when they recorded Thriller as well, that I don't know if it was Michael's vocals or like what, that he went in and he did like a hundred takes of his vocals.

SPEAKER_10 1:20:53

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:53

Yeah. Don't quote me on it, but uh something like that. And then like they eventually went in and just like used the the first one that he did, you know, the first take. But it's like a lot of times they did they do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:04

Is it this one? Um it says blues.

SPEAKER_10 1:21:07

No, maybe the motor. This is like a blues version of it.

SPEAKER_15 1:21:13

Something evil's lurking in the dark, it works.

unknown 1:21:20

I know the moon!

SPEAKER_02 1:21:22

Yeah, see, like I hear this and it's like, imagine if Teddy Swims learned this and played this live. It's like, oh, that almost stops your fall.

SPEAKER_10 1:21:28

Or like Alabama Shakespeare. Oh my god. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:33

You turn the screen but what was the version you can do?

SPEAKER_10 1:21:37

Uh go back. Maybe that's scroll down. No, it was tonight. But if thriller was made in the 50s, I think. Yeah, 50s.

SPEAKER_13 1:21:55

You'll fight it for your life inside a killer tonight.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:02

31.4 million views on the thriller music video. That's crazy. Escape.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:12

I don't know what kind of hits.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:13

No, it's it it works. But no, the the version that I was listening to was like uh like an early rock and roll version of the album. Yeah, there we go. It's that one. That's why I clicked on it. I was like, no, this is got the pompadour and everything. Yeah, it's cool.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:38

It's that one?

SPEAKER_12 1:22:39

Yeah. Crazy. I listened to the whole album, but it's starting to start. Oh, it's the whole album.

SPEAKER_15 1:22:46

Alright, that's pretty good.

SPEAKER_12 1:22:48

Right? It's like Elvis.

SPEAKER_15 1:22:57

It's too hard to get on.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:59

Oh, it's wanna be starting to be like, You're stuck in the middle, and the plane is thunder.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:05

Imagine him, like a mixture of like Elvis dancing and a Michael Jackson dancing.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:10

Alright, if we use it correctly, like this.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:13

What do we need to use it for?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:14

Exactly. It's like it's not.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:16

But I I like what you say, like it's because I think that AI is going in a direction where it's getting like I'm being dramatic, but not like it's being demonized, right? It's pretty intense. Like you either like it or you fucking hate it.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:33

Yeah, and I mean to me the thing is it's like we can't stop it. You know, it's like no, there's no stopping it. There's no stopping it. It's like it's gonna keep evolving. There's always gonna be new technology coming in, and it's like there's only two options. You either adapt and use it to your advantage, or you just let it take over, and you know, you just like lleva la corriente, you know. So it's like to me, it's just like it is a tool, you know. Like this is to me, like if I see this, I see someone like you know, just it's like, oh man, like I want to do a cover, but like, you know, I can't sing, like MJ, I can't sing in that style. So like, well, what's your style? It's like I kind of like do like rock and roll. AI. How would thriller sound rock and roll? Okay, now we're getting someone who's like, now you have like a reference, you know, that you maybe couldn't like figure out on your own, and you probably could, but it just speeds up the process now. And it's like the reality is we live in a time where speed is of the essence, like everything is so fast paced now. It's like bro, either you use this and get with the pace, or you know, you're gonna slow down, you know.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:38

Do thriller if thriller was uh like a metal song or or punk rock.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:45

You think there is?

SPEAKER_10 1:24:47

I I'm pretty sure. So somebody has to.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:49

Also, there there's just like like AI slop that's actually pretty hilarious. Like, have you seen those like Yeti videos where they're like like on TikTok? They're just like it's like a Yeti and he's like an influencer and he's like, Hey, I'm over here like so funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:06

They're so funny.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:08

What is this?

SPEAKER_15 1:25:09

If Thriller, if Michael Jackson thriller was recorded by Motorhead, that's not a little bit of a see the middle.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:41

It's just it's crazy.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:43

Yeah. Look at it if if if it was recorded by Kiss. Dude, people just went through all their you see it? Okay, last one.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:52

Okay, I'm like last one go over.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:54

Dude, this is me all day. Like I I can it's just go like that. You know, it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:00

This sounds cool. I'm a big kiss man that's fine.

SPEAKER_10 1:26:27

I like the 50s one.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:28

Yeah, the 50s ones.

SPEAKER_10 1:26:30

Yeah, the 50s one slapped.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:33

Now I gotta see what other artists they did.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:35

Yeah, they they they go crazy. Never mind. One last one. Put many men 50 cent one, but I can't I can't remember if it was like 60s blues or something like that.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:46

Like many many men.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:49

50 Cent, and then I think it was like 1950s were in, yeah, probably that one.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:54

Oh, Salio, alright.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:56

Yeah, because it like Joe Rogan like talked about it. Yeah, it's that first one. The first one? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:01

I'm already laughing.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:03

Yeah, like uh the pump. I got here this and I'm like, imagine Jamie Foxx actually like that's five, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:42

All right. That's crazy. Dang. I wonder if they do Spanish ones.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:49

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:50

There's like I don't even know which ones they're all we're just looking at.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:55

But it's it's like to me, it's really cool because it actually opens up your mind to like what different. Possibilities are, you know, it's like maybe you couldn't like I would have never heard of this or thought of this song in like a 50s version. It's like there it is. It's like, okay, now you can actually like you know, I'm no rapper, but maybe I could find a way to like sing this song now, you know.

SPEAKER_10 1:28:13

It's like this might sound uh sacrilegious or it might sound blasphemy, but I wonder if somebody has done like a Nortenio song in Spanish, but then still Nortenio, but translated it into English. Yeah. With with the same, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:35

I I'm on what he didn't I've done that with some Joan Sebastian songs, but you can't really release them because of like the estate stuff. Uh huh. But uh there's two songs. There's one song that he has because And that that's a little bit of what you do, Chris? Yeah, actually, yeah, yeah. Um I love like actually like just taking songs and doing either English to Spanish or Spanish to English and make like a new version of it. They're called adaptations. Adaptations. Yeah, so like technically what we started the podcast with with the the Beatles, Besame mucho, the one that they did is an adaptation of the original Spanish one. Which right, so and the like the list goes on and on. Like, um, have you ever heard that song? Uh What a difference a day he made. 24 Little Hours. Brought the sun in the flowers where they used to be originally. Okay, right. That originally is a Spanish bolero called Cuando vuelva tu lado. Also, like Sabor a mí, there's an English version called Be True to Me, which doors they made. Uh, Luis Miguel, si tú me hubieras dicho siempre la vere, that that's originally that's originally an English song. Uh also Luis Miguel uh culpas la noche. Uh-huh. That's blame it on the boogie by the Jackson 5. So it's like this has happened throughout so many years in like music, and it's like I've I love doing that.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:47

Kind of kind of like that uh that Los Taxis thing that we went through with Daniel Zebrano.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:53

Yeah, like that. And then there's another one that's um Have you heard of Los Taxis?

SPEAKER_10 1:29:59

Uh-uh. No? They did what what was the song that they supposedly did?

SPEAKER_06 1:30:05

Uh I can't remember.

SPEAKER_10 1:30:06

It was right now. It was like an 80, it was a hit 80 song.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:10

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:30:11

That they did and and they like just originally did yeah, that they supposedly that they it's a song by a group from the 1960s that they originally did it, but then somehow uh got covered by uh a Amber's gonna look it up, a popular 80s 80s band, but they use the Spanish version and translate it into English.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:41

So it what what it is is when I guess Oh yeah, boys don't cry, right? It was Boys Don't Cry. So the whole thing around it was that Spotify release or s so an original group did an adaptation on Boys Don't Cry, right? Recently.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:59

When it got put onto Spotify, somehow it got put under another group that was from the 60s. Oh it wasn't their song, it was this other band's song. So when people started listening to it, they were like, What the hell? Like, this is Boys Don't Cry. Yeah, so then people started running with it saying this group from the 60s is the first group to sing Boys Don't Cry, and then the cure changed it into English.

SPEAKER_16 1:31:28

They did an adaptation, oh which was bizarre.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:31

So there was like a confusion that happened. Yeah, so people were like, Oh, that's not the cure song, it's from this, you know, la la la, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:39

Yeah, but that happens all the time with like music, just like the translation stuff, like Selena too. Um Photos y Recuerdos that's back on Chain Gang. That's right. Oh, yeah. Um, yeah, there's like endless examples.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:51

What's the other one too in Spanish? Is um uh the boardwalk one.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:57

Oh uh down on the boardwalk. Uh huh. Then there's another one. That's original in Spanish. The original, I think, is in English. Yeah, the plus abs on did uh the the Spanish one. Then there's uh cuando eran jovencitos like a bluegrassy one, huh? Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:20

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:21

Um Juan Gabriel also did uh someone told me long ago there's a gun before the storm. I know. Yeah, he has a Spanish version of that one. Yeah, there's just like Los Chains.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:51

Los Chains.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:52

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:54

So Los Chains is the is the old group.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:02

So there's some kind of confusion that happened on the internet that happened. Yeah. So so the chains are the ones from the 60s, 70s slash, that this song was put under. So then people but they didn't do it. It was it's like a newer band that did.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:18

So when people saw it, they were like But the sonic sounds like it's from the 60s.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:23

And they were saying, like, oh, the cure ripped off a span like a Mexican grupo. Well, I don't even think they're Mexican, I think they're like from like Biddle or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:32

They're like Peruvian or something. Interesting. Probably Argentinian.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:35

Argentinians are like the like My mom's the one that called me and told me this because she said she was at a party, and then that somebody was like, Did you know that la la la? So then she calls me and she's like, Hey, is it true? And I'm like, I don't know, I never heard of it. Like, and then when we did the podcast, we did the podcast like the next day, and then that's when we did our deep dive, and then's when we seen that that's what it happened.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:56

Interesting. I just did a uh like a tribute show for uh Roy Orbison. Pretty well. Oh, dude. He actually there's a song called Um She Wears My Ring. I don't know if you've heard that song is originally in Spanish.

SPEAKER_10 1:34:11

Really?

SPEAKER_02 1:34:12

Yeah, I heard it though. I was like just like listening to his his stuff one time, and then I heard that song, and I was like, I know that song. Like I've never heard this, but like I know that melody, and then I like there's this website called Second Hand Songs, which you can like actually like go and do a deep dive and see like if there's been any different versions of like that song like recording before. And that's where I found it. I was like, oh, that's las colondrinas. So usually my dad just play that at funerals. Adios, adios, adios. Like so, but I thought that when I heard it, I was like, oh, maybe like the Spanish version was ripped off from the English version, but it was the opposite. The someone translated it to English, and yeah. So I was like, oh, that is pretty cool. Another like famous one is uh Ami Manera, My Way.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:58

Oh, I did it my Yeah, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:01

Like me sent it in Ami Manera, Frank's and Nature is my way, but the original is in French. Wow. The original is called Com d'habitude.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:09

Oh shit, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:11

I didn't know Ami Manera, what yeah didn't even it didn't even like because they're both like music-wise different like but yeah, it's the original is French, then it turned to English, then it turned to Spanish, and then um t'en si t'igoiste that's originally a French song too by uh Edith Piaf. I think I knew that one. Yeah, it's called La Fool. So the lady that sang uh La Fool La Vienne Rose, her the original that cumbia that we now know. I wait it's funny because like that the way I discovered that was I was on a I lived in Paris for a month during college, and uh this accordion player jumped humped up hopped on the on the metro and he started playing that on the accordion. And I was like, Oh, he knows Spanish songs.

SPEAKER_16 1:35:57

He knows cumbias, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:59

That's so dope. And then I like looked at and I was like, oh man, I'm uncultured. We're thieves, yeah. I was all happy that he was playing cumbias and stuff. It was like really wrong.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:13

You're like, that's that. Now I gotta I gotta hear a little piece of this. I'll hear this and then yeah, we could wrap it up. If you please.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:32

Are there was artists after him, right? Yeah that did a lot of his music that were like really big hits.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:40

Yeah, yeah. Well, that song that I was telling you, The Shoot Wears My Ring, uh, Elvis also did a version of it. Uh huh. Yeah. Uh another famous one that he didn't make famous was uh Blue Bayou. Linda Ronsett made that one super huge.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:55

Roy Orbison recorded it as well.

SPEAKER_16 1:36:56

That's right.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:58

Yeah, remember we were listening to Roy Orbison that day, and you're like, oh, I know this song. Wait, I know this song.

SPEAKER_17 1:37:17

I can hear it. I travel deep and everybody wait. Oh yeah, much more than this. I did it my way. Oh shit. I had no idea.

SPEAKER_10 1:37:35

I didn't even see but so pause it there, open another tab, and and look up the the French version. Yeah, come d'habitude.

SPEAKER_16 1:37:46

Ah, pues it's not bad.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:58

Well, how do I even what do I put?

SPEAKER_12 1:38:00

C O M M E. C O M M E. Space. Uh huh. D. Apostrophe.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:07

D after?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:08

Yeah, apostrophe.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:11

Oh, wait, no space. Okay. H A.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:15

B.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:15

B.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:16

I.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:17

I.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:18

T. U. D. E.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:19

T. U D E.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:20

Yeah, Com Dabitude.

unknown 1:38:21

There it is. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:24

Ah, wait, no. No, and then and then you sound it out for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:31

Come like that, like a true Parisian com d'habitude.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:37

Like when you ask someone, is it that first one?

SPEAKER_06 1:38:45

Yeah. Or this one?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:47

No, that's one. Yeah. And the story is that uh Paul Anka is a songwriter. He was in in Paris and he heard the song. And he was like, he heard it at like a coffee shop. And he's like, oh, this is beautiful. Like, I want to write the English version for Frank Sinatra.

SPEAKER_11 1:39:03

So he heard the the He heard this version on the coffee show.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:07

Yeah. Paul Anka also wrote uh put your head on my shoulder. Yeah, super famous like songwriter.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:39

Interesting. That's crazy. Dang.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:43

Yeah. Music is crazy, huh? Yeah, it's beautiful. It show it shares no borders, really, if you think about it.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:49

In my other in my next life, I want to be a musician. I want to be a singer.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:56

Me too. Yeah, it's tough. I like to sing. It's fun, but it is. I like to sing even though we could do karaoke. I I firmly believe that everybody can sing. Yeah. I'm a firm believer in that. I I think everybody can sing. It's just very hard for everybody to find their voice.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:10

Okay, no. Look, I'm I'm always let's go, everybody.

SPEAKER_16 1:40:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:16

But my dad, and and you know that's something that that I have to look into. My dad cannot for the life of him. Like from the 35 years that I've known my father, he could not keep a tune.

SPEAKER_16 1:40:31

Really?

SPEAKER_09 1:40:32

Like he could listen to songs over and over and over and over, and he could not sing them.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:40

I I still I still think that he can sing. No because to me, the way the reason I say this too is because when I first started, I sucked so bad. Like I listened to like my old recordings, and I'm like, bro, like it's like super cringy. But I just kept at it, and like the more I kept going, the more I realized it's like the voice is just a muscle. It's like for the people that can't carry a tune, it's just they haven't worked that muscle out. You know, they just haven't done enough reps. That's to me, that's the way I see it. I could be wrong, but I really I truly think that like if someone and the thing is like you also have to really want it.

SPEAKER_17 1:41:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:19

Like if you don't want it, what's the sad? You know, it's like it's kind of like getting a six pack. It's like you know, it'd be cool to have a six-pack, but like how many people really want to put in the work to like actually get it, you know. It's same with singing. It's like, all right, you can sing, you know, and you can find your voice, but like how bad do you want to put in the work to like do it because it's it takes it takes years, you know?

SPEAKER_09 1:41:40

Yeah, I just want to be good at like this is my this is my party, I've always my party trick uh like thing, right? That I always think about because I I don't think I have a horrible voice. Like I I I like to sing in Spanish, and I don't think it's like the worst, but I don't think it's the greatest, right? So then the other day I was thinking, I was like, what if I just do like a couple of vocal classes just to kind of like learn things, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:42:04

We both share, let's do it.

SPEAKER_09 1:42:05

Yeah, and and I I'm being honest, like just for fun, you know? Yeah, but this is like my what I've always dreamed of. Like I wanna go to a place and then like just come out and like no no no, like I'm at a bar, right? And I'm a bar and I'm with friends and they're like and I'm like no no no like no no like no se cantar and this and like and I always think about it in Spanish, right? Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, no, no, no, and then they're like, come on, come on, and then bring me the mic and I fucking like kill it, right? Like that's the only reason that I want to learn how to sing is for like that fucking moment.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:41

You know what's since we were talking about AI, one of the biggest helps that have been for me, like vocally, is AI. What I do is like I'll take a song, like let's say I need to learn a song for like a gig. I'll take a song and I'll strip the stems to just hear the vocal by itself, and I'll slow it down and then practice along to like the actual singer to like honestly kind of imitate that singer, yeah. Just to see like how they place like the note or how they like attack it, and then once they learn it well enough, then I'll do give it my own spin-off. Yeah, but like AI has been a huge help for that. It's like instead of taking a vocal listen, just use AI, like strip the vocal and just like copy. I'll like honestly, some of the best singers that you've ever heard, it's like they'll they'll say that it's like honestly, I'm just an imitator, like I just imitated. Yeah, and I what's funny is that one thing that actually like made me really, really like dive deep into singing and and like made me think because at the time I was just like, man, it's like can I actually like really sing? And like one thing that made me like believe that I could was um I was at this like songwriting expo or something, and they had invited like a bunch of influencers, and then there's this guy on TikTok that he's called Bad Buki and he does Marco Antonio Solis impressions and but he's doing like Bad Bunny and or like corridos, but like and he sounds like Marco Antonio Solis. And like I asked him, I was like, well, you know, like what'd you do? Like what'd you do to to like be able to like you know imitate his voice like precisely like like him? He's like honestly, like I just would like would sing and sing and sing and sing. It was like honestly, there was times where like I had such like bad sore throats that like I couldn't sing, but I just like kept at it and I was like, damn. I was like, alright, so if this guy just like forcefully made himself sing, it's like I could probably do the same thing. So dang yeah, I was like, that's gotta you just gotta keep doing it.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:35

And I know why you're looking at me.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:36

Uh yeah, I it's just a muscle, honestly. Straight up, it's it's a muscle.

SPEAKER_10 1:44:40

So I yeah, I get home sometimes and she's like, What's wrong with you?

SPEAKER_09 1:44:45

I was like, Were you crying?

SPEAKER_10 1:44:46

Yeah, and I was like, No, like I the reason why I my I lit up when you talk when you said Roy Orbison because I there's certain songs that I like to do during karaoke, but yeah, I like to do them really well. And I I like to do it. Yeah, and we'll have those, you know. I'm a perfectionist and I want to I want to sound like him, I want to do the notes he he does, not exactly, exactly, but at least get close to it. And uh in in dreams is like one of my all-time favorite songs. If there's one song that I want to learn in my lifetime, learn how to sing, is that one? It's it's in dreams. Yeah, and some days if I you know fill up to it, I'll put it, I put karaoke on in my truck on my way home. Yeah, and I will just sing that song over and over and over. And some I'll I'll just do like first 30 seconds. Okay, if I get a piece of the 30 seconds wrong, I gotta do all over again. Yeah, like so that I just do those like exercises.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:57

And it's crazy too, like how like sometimes you'll go back to it and you'll be like, oh man, like you hear the progress, you know, like you or you feel it, you know.

SPEAKER_10 1:46:03

It's like it salió and I go a step further, dude, and I use these my I use all this recording stuff to practice it and record myself and listen back to it. I'm like, okay, I did this take was nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Before I got into podcast stuff and and and comedy, like always wanted to do something in music production or uh I'm uh I always say that I'm a failed musician and I just started doing stand-up. Yeah. Because I originally I wanted to be a musician. I love music. Yeah, I love music. I love talking about it, I love listening to it, I love watching it, I love talking to musicians. Yeah. And there's still a little piece of me that still likes to record. Maybe I'll do, I don't know, maybe later down the line I'll I'll do like a uh a comedy music album. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? But there's always something. Yeah. But yeah, dude, uh karaoke. See, you just gotta do yeah, just reps.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:05

That's all it is.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:06

I should have to be at home saying that all the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:07

Everything is reps, that's what I think. I've always liked it. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:10

I've always liked music, and again, like I like to sing.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:14

Um, but it wasn't until we we had like a karaoke night here one time, and we we hired this KJ that comes and he's a a vocal coach. And he told me, he's like, What song do you want to do? And I was like, I don't know, like I don't I don't really know what song, you know. And then he tells me he's like, try a mariachi song, and I was like, What? Like I I didn't grow up listening to mariachi, like that's not something I guess because it were more like the Norteño or Banda type, so mariachi was not like something that we got or anything like that, but I know mariachi songs, yeah. And he's like, try that song, and I was like, No, I was like, I'm gonna freaking like it's gonna be horrible. And he's like, No, he's like, I can hear like something in your voice, and I was like, Alright, so I went up and I did it, and I was like, Oh shit, like I didn't know that I can sing that, that it that it that came out of me, and I was even like and I I got off, and then my mom was like, Whoa, like I I didn't know you could sing like that. And I was like, I didn't fucking know I could sing like that. Like so to me, I guess I could see what you're saying. Like, I'm not saying, oh my god, I'm this no, you gotta find your register. But I didn't know that there's certain music, certain there's just difference, right? In people's voices, and it wasn't until he told me, and then and then again we did it again, and then I did like a different song, and then I was like, Oh, yeah, this song, like this is kind of where my voice is.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:39

It's all exploration too. It's funny that you said that about register too, because it's like when I first started like my project, my voice was like more like of a baritone singing. But then um I remember the first the first three vocal, like three songs that we recorded there with with Carlos, and um, I was running out of air like when I was singing, and like that was also the first time I recorded to tape like that live, so it was it was like super new. Like I was super nervous. I was just like, I was not, you know, I was super super nervous. And uh he told me, like, because he's he's he's the type of guy that's just like he'll be very blunt with you, you know, and tell you it's like hey, you know, it's like I can hear you like running out of air, you need to run. And so I was like, alright. So I bought myself a lung expander, and which like pretty much it only makes you like breathe in through your nose, and you can only breathe out, exhale, like uh it has like uh like different levels to like where like how fast and like slow you can like exhale. So I started doing that every day on the treadmill for 10 minutes, and my range expanded like three keys. Whoa, yeah. So a lot of it too is three keys? Yeah, bro. Oh my god. Yeah, yeah. There's a song that we recorded back in December that we released in December called uh What Love Is About. I originally recorded that. There's a key change in it. So I originally recorded that. So it went it went up. Well, yeah, so the the original we recorded it in B, and then it does a key change to C. In the middle of the song. Now I sing it in D, which is B, C, C sharp D, three, three keys. Yeah. And it's like, if I try and sing it in B, now it's too low for me. Whoa. Yeah. So it's like, that's the cool thing about the voice, too. It's like there's things about it that you probably didn't know that you could do, you know. It's like you just have to explore and do weird shit and just shout out, you know, and like not be embarrassed. And it's like that was a big thing about me. That's like what kind of prevented me from practicing singing at home. I was like, oh, my neighbors are gonna hate me. And so you know, my roommate's like there, and I'm just shouting, and then I just told myself, I was like, Well, what else are you gonna do, bro? Like, are you just gonna stay quiet or are you gonna like learn how to sing? So I a lot of it is just like not giving enough, you know?

SPEAKER_10 1:50:44

Yeah, honestly, dude, uh out of a lot of things that we do extracurricular, you know, or or just like art in general, like you have to have that like not give a fuck mode. You have to have thick skin, you know, thick skin and just do like do you really want to do it? Yeah, you know what I mean? Like you have to ask yourself, do you really want to do it? Because if you really want to do it, you will absolutely try everything in your power to get where you want.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:14

Yeah, and it's like also too, it's just like obviously hate's gonna come and like people are gonna judge, but it's like that's never that is never gonna come from people that are doing better than you. It's always gonna come from people that like you doing you actually like putting yourself out there and trying, it stings them a little bit because they wish that they had the same, like honestly, for lack of a better term, evolve to do it. It's like really, it's like there's something inside of you that wishes you you would be doing that, but you don't, so you're just gonna you're gonna talk smack.

SPEAKER_09 1:51:43

I think when people hate, and I I've fallen prey to this on like on myself and and like recently is when I came to the realization where I was like, I'm like I said something negative, and then after I was like, no, like I'm not mad at them, and I'm not like hating specifically on them. It's I'm mad at myself, yeah. And everything that I projected or whatever I said was not for them, it was more for me because I didn't have the guts to do what they're doing now. And I didn't I mean I'm never I'm very like there's enough for everybody, and then this situation was different, right? I'm not like a certified hater or something like that. But you're the one in my comments.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:29

Oh, hell no.

SPEAKER_09 1:52:30

All the bond accounts I never leave comments, I'm always like, you know, if I don't have anything I say, I'm just not gonna say it, whatever. But yeah, this was a whole different like scenario that I realized it, where I was like, I was telling Gilbert, and Gilbert's like, oh well, I'm kind of mad for you, you know. And I was like, no, you know what? I can't be mad at them. I'm mad at myself because I thought of this a long time ago, yeah, but I didn't have the guts to do it. And I didn't have you know whatever it was to do it because I thought maybe it's silly, maybe it's gonna take up too much time, whatever. Yeah, so now I'm seeing them do it, and it's like I I can't be mad at anyone but myself. And I think that when people hate, it's a projection not on who they're hating, it's uh like a reflection of themselves. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:15

Yeah, so it's like you can't be too mad at them, it's just like I feel sorry for you, bro. Yeah, you know, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:21

Very true.

SPEAKER_10 1:53:22

Yeah, Chris, thanks for coming out and doing the podcast again, man. Dude, I had such a great time on the show. We gotta you gotta do, you gotta come back again in the next couple months, dude. Sure. Let's do it again. Uh tell us where we can find you and if you have anything coming up, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:37

Uh social media, Chris Logan. Uh got actually I have a show showcase this coming Tuesday at Desert Fox Pod in Hollywood, and then a show at Eastwood LA, May 16th. So hopefully see you guys there.

SPEAKER_10 1:53:49

Oh yeah, dude. Alright.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:53

Alright.

SPEAKER_10 1:53:54

Anything else you got? Uh YouTube channel, uh TikTok, anything like that?

SPEAKER_02 1:54:00

So I'm on Instagram, Chris Logan, uh, all the other social media platforms, Chris Logan520, uh, Spotify Chris Logan as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:08

Spotify.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:08

Yeah, and then uh hopefully if all goes well, we should have some new music by the end of May. So hell yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_10 1:54:16

So thank you guys for having me. Appreciate it. You can find Chris's thanks for coming out, dude. You can find Chris's stuff uh down at the show description if you're uh listening to this on Spotify. Uh if you want to watch the podcast, go to Mind Buzz Podcast Network on YouTube. You guys are watching, you're not engaging, leave a comment and uh give us a like. Hater comments. Yeah. Dude, we get enough. We get enough of those on TikTok. And it's just I don't know what it is about TikTok.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:53

Yeah, um TikTok's rough, really.

SPEAKER_10 1:54:56

Dude, you have no idea. Uh leave us a comment whether it's good or bad. Um what else do we got?

SPEAKER_09 1:55:05

We just gotta say you just gotta be like, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:55:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:12

Um Spanish. Maybe you can't speak Spanish. That's like the most Mexican phrase you could say, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:55:21

I'll be in K Town. Uh at the end of May. I got some stuff lined up for uh the middle of May. And uh this just came up. Uh today I'm doing um gonna be doing a Halloween show uh in characters in October, so that's gonna be fun. Peace. The money button. Thanks for coming up.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:49

Thank you, thanks.