MB:293 with Jonesy

Jonesy is a  Boston-based stand-up comedian and podcaster host of the Weird AF News Podcast. We sit down with Jonesy to discuss his journey in comedy, his unique perspective on the LA comedy scene, and the experiences that shaped his career. Find his stuff here https://www.instagram.com/funnyjones/

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"King without a Throne" is performed by Bad Hombres

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Let's go. What is up, Mind Buzz Universe? Welcome back to another podcast episode of The Mind Buzz. I am your host, Gil, and working the board tonight, this evening, this afternoon, whenever you're listening to this podcast, is a lovely Amber. What's up?

SPEAKER_00 0:33

What's up?

SPEAKER_01 0:33

How you doing?

SPEAKER_00 0:34

I'm good. My mouth just uh unnumbed. Went to a dentist earlier. They numbed my mouth.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

How was it? How was the dentist?

SPEAKER_00 0:44

Uh it was okay. It was a dentist.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

It was?

SPEAKER_00 0:47

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I does anybody have a good time at the dentist?

SPEAKER_01 0:53

I used to have a good time at the dentist. We had a huge 57-inch TV that was mount honestly, it was frightening as it was the coolest thing in the world.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

That it would fall on TV.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

It honestly, it's like any uh Final Destination's riders dream. I swear. It's 57 inch TV planted on the ceiling. I remember the first time that I actually I I went there and they had me choose a movie. I was like, oh, I seen 50 First Aids and I love that movie. Adam Sandler, Drew Barrymore. And I wrong thing to pick at a dent at a dentist's office. I knew the whole dialogue and I was still laughing. Okay, and they were like in deep inside my mouth.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Maybe they shouldn't put comedy at the dentist.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

No, they should.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

No, because then you're laughing. Well they had I was just like a Today they had a giant TV, but it wasn't suspended over me, but they were they had uh America's Funnies Home videos.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

Oh. Yeah. Oh, playing in the lobby?

SPEAKER_00 2:01

No, no, no. In front of me. They had a giant television, like a I don't know, 70 inch television.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

I'm gonna go to the I'm gonna that dentist next time.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

So you go to the dentist just to watch TV?

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

It got honestly, it got me through it got me through a lot of the dental work that I I wasn't even like paying attention to the TV.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

I was just like, get out of my mouth already.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

And it was quick. They did a thing what did they do? They cleaned they did a deep clean. I'm like, what are they doing? I'm just mad.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

What are you mad about?

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Tell us that they have me doing it in four parts. I think it's ridiculous. They should have just numbed my entire mouth. I would have been cool with it, even if I was drooling. They used to do things like that. And then just do the whole cleanup in an hour. This was like ten minutes. It took longer to wait for the numbing thing in my mouth. And then she's like, okay, we'll see you next week. And I was like, Are you fucking kidding me?

SPEAKER_01 3:06

Yeah, it's kind of like when you're on hold, right? You're on hold for whatever reason. Uh whoever you call, you know, and the f the the actual wait time is longer than the actual phone call. Yeah, I think the last time I I waited like over two hours for something.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

So I only have um a quarter of my teeth. Um I mean there's nothing wrong with them, it was just a cleaning. But only a quarter of my teeth are cleaned, which I don't know. Whatever. I guess healthcare system now. I don't know. I was just mad.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

I was like, We gotta get an insurance.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Just do my whole mouth, lady.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

Insurance underwriter and on the podcast to talk to them.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

Well, my aunt explained to us last time, remember? She works for a dentist.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

Bring your Thea on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

Yeah, I guess you're right. Alright, I'm done. But that was it.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

She's able to talk about all this stuff because her doctor's uh tiring or her dentist, or we can get her dentist.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

Maybe.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

And maybe he can fix you up while we do the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Yeah, maybe. Fix me up. There's nothing wrong with me.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

By the way, Amber has a beautiful set of of uh chompers because she just does. I don't know. I don't know why there has to be a because on there. Yeah. Do they still I feel like I haven't seen people wear braces.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

People do invisible.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

Yeah? Well if you're over if you're over like 30 years old.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

You should do Invisalign. I mean anyway.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

Yeah?

SPEAKER_00 4:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

If you're not a teenager and you have braces, I don't know, it looks kind of funny. You know?

SPEAKER_00 5:00

Maybe.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

You think so?

SPEAKER_05 5:02

Am I allowed to speak?

SPEAKER_03 5:04

Let's introduce him and then I have so much to say that I just I just stayed quiet.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

It's a test. No, we're not kidding.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

Let's bring in today's uh guest. I'm super excited to have this uh gentleman uh in the studio and on the podcast. He is a stand-up comic, and he is also uh podcaster and podcast host. Please give it up for Jonesy.

SPEAKER_03 5:35

Oh, I actually get a clap, two claps? Wow, this is great.

SPEAKER_05 5:38

This is great. One thing you should know about me is I have the free healthcare, California. It's uh the free one, okay, which means it's no good. So my dentist, no TVs, no TVs, nothing like that. We got the bare bones over there at my dentist. It's the bare bones. They love me over there. I'm a I crack I crack jokes and oh yeah, yeah, I'm a hit when I go to my hit. All my doctors, yeah. I like that. I asked my dentist, uh, I said, so why do you guys kill yourselves?

SPEAKER_07 6:11

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 6:13

You know, because dentists are the number one suicide occupation. Did you know about that? No, yeah, dentists. So I said, why do you why you guys do that?

SPEAKER_07 6:22

Why do you guys do that?

SPEAKER_05 6:23

I thought, don't you make some good money, right? Don't you want to why would you go? I always asked for the gas too. I go, can I get some gas?

SPEAKER_03 6:29

Even when I'm only in there for a cleaning.

SPEAKER_05 6:32

And it's I like it, it'll be like a young assistant, you know, and I'll be like, Give me, can I get some gas today? And she's like, No, shy.

SPEAKER_03 6:38

Like, I don't know what the doctor.

SPEAKER_05 6:40

I'm like, come on, baby, just give me some gas. I'll give you 10 bucks. I was like, I'll give you 10 bucks. I'll give you 10 bucks if you give me the gas.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

Give me a hit, just one little hit.

SPEAKER_05 6:48

I need to go to these TV dentists though, where they can put a movie on for me.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:51

Yeah. Something sad so that I don't laugh though.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

That's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 6:55

So laughing is like now you're moving around and you know. I guess it depends up depends on what they're doing. If they're drilling you, you don't want to be bucking up and down because you're watching you know, some Adam Sandler movie.

SPEAKER_01 7:05

Yeah, they were they're deep in there.

SPEAKER_05 7:07

You don't want to be crying either. You know what I mean? You know, you don't want to be watching a rom com while they're drilling you. You know, that's not the time to pull out old yeller.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

So it has to be something neutral, right?

SPEAKER_05 7:17

Yeah, it's gotta be something neutral. Right, won't it? It's not a horror movie either, because if you jump, yeah, it can't be a horror movie. What's like just any Paul Rudd movie, probably just like middle of the road. Tries to be funny, but meh.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

Any uh B-liss movies. Hey, but some B-less movies are pretty good.

SPEAKER_05 7:35

Boring. Anything, anything dull like that.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Maybe the news.

SPEAKER_05 7:41

I think the news will make you cry these days.

SPEAKER_00 7:43

Yeah, okay. Maybe not. Then then nothing, no TV.

SPEAKER_05 7:46

Yeah, yeah. Just meditation music probably is good.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Oh, that would be good. Yeah, because I noticed that I was like really, really tense, and then at some point I was like, Am I breathing? And then I had to be like, oh, breathe. She's just cleaning your teeth. And then after I told her, I was like, I'm sorry I was really tense. She's like, Yeah, you were.

SPEAKER_05 8:06

I was like, back when I had no health insurance, I went to like I went to a dental school because the students work. Oh, yeah, man. You ain't lived until you've had a 19-year-old give you a root canal.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

I did that with my hair.

SPEAKER_05 8:20

Oh, yeah, you can go to the hair schools. I've heard of it. Hair schools. Hey, question about that. Do the do you get to pick your haircut or they're like, hey, look at we're doing uh we're doing bleach blonde today.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

Like it's bleach blonde Tuesday. You have to go with whatever they're like they're learning that week. Yeah. But I went and it was my best friend, so she was the one that was like, Oh, cool, okay, come on this day. She knew that she knew. So I went.

SPEAKER_05 8:45

Yeah. Come to it's gonna be normal haircut Thursdays. Yeah. You get a normal, a normal haircut. Whatever you do, don't come on Friday.

SPEAKER_03 8:53

What happens on Friday? Let's just say the floor's covered in way more hair than any other day. We just shave that shit off.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

You go on the wrong day, and you're all right.

SPEAKER_05 9:02

But like I heard like they're like they're top of the line salon uh schools and stuff. Like you get like a a dope haircut and it's free, like probably free, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:12

Yeah, she used to go to one. Um, what is it called? Like Paul Mitchell or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Yeah, I was just gonna say Paul Mitchell.

SPEAKER_05 9:18

That's what she went to.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

He had a school, and I mean they did a pretty good job.

SPEAKER_05 9:21

Yeah, that's really great. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

And it was like, I mean, she didn't charge me, but I think they started charging after a while, and it's like 10 bucks. But you would get like for a woman, I mean, that's nothing because you get a haircut, blow dry, everything that you did.

SPEAKER_05 9:35

That's so great.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

I don't know. You could do nails, you could do hair at the same place, uh like places that that teach like uh like cosmetology. Yeah. Well, my mom did remember my mom did um makeup, my mom did like like FX makeup.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

Oh, right.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

And you had to be 12 years old to to be a model for them. So I remember that as soon as I turned 12, I like gave myself tribute to my mom. No, it was her last, it was her last um like the last day, and she airbrushed my entire body, so I was like a fairy. Wow. That was like that was really cool.

SPEAKER_05 10:16

That is pretty cool right there.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Yeah, but then I cried when I got home because I couldn't take it off and I had to shower for like 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_05 10:23

Yeah, and imagine any school that's teaching you whatever these things are, they have like they probably have certain times of the year where they're accepting some guinea pigs. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? Like, oh I go to the vasectomy school of vasectomy. Oh my god, get a vasectomy by a student, just hope it works. You know, I don't know, let's just see, or like a boob job school, and then you go, you're like, oh shit, one's a little bigger than the other, but like, hey, whatever, it was free.

SPEAKER_00 10:50

Well, not too long ago, I went again. I'm on like uh my doctor journey again. I avoided the doctor for a lot of years, and then now I'm like, all right, I'm 35, I gotta go. So, anyways, uh one of the doctors, she was telling me that she was like, Oh, um, she was telling me I was gonna need some kind of surgery at some point, and she's like, but go to like a specialist and and ask for like the resident doctor, and I was like, Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 11:15

The resident doctor? Yeah, this guy lives there.

SPEAKER_04 11:18

So my god, they never let him go there.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

He's just chained to the desk.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

So she says now, she says now that like a lot of the doctors and the way that the healthcare system is like kind of moving, she says that a lot of the doctors don't really perform like you know the major surgeries. They're letting the the beginner doctors um yeah, they're letting the beginner doctors do a lot of these things.

SPEAKER_05 11:45

So it's like you big universities where the actual professor doesn't do anything, they lets the TA do everything. Yeah, and these people get the big paychecks, and what do they do? They just they just go and you know, play PS5 and drink boba.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

So that's what she said. She's like, I I just want to like because she was older, you know, and she was telling me how things were changing in the healthcare system, and she's like, Yeah, I'm trying to get out. She's like, Because I it just it's not working. She she is an actual surgeon and she had to go to like they won't let her out, it's like a blood-in, blood out type of situation. No, I mean, because she said, like, she's a surgeon and she said, she's like, I have to pay, I think she told me like 30 grand a month for her license just to be like a licensed, like practicing surgeon. And she's like, and you kind of have to hustle for like the surgeries. She's like, So if you don't have a surgery, you're still paying 30,000.

SPEAKER_05 12:37

Like for the surgeries, you gotta chase ambulances. Hey, what you got in there? Hey, listen, whatever tell me what hospital you're going to. Listen, I can meet you there if you need what is this?

SPEAKER_00 12:46

That's like lawyers like this is like what lawyers do.

SPEAKER_05 12:50

They gotta drum up business, you know. That's why you see these goofy ass billboards. You know, lawyers are you know, now you gotta see billboards for surgeons. For surgeon, yeah, yeah. Brain damage.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

I'll do it for cheaper here. Dr.

SPEAKER_05 13:02

Dizzy's here to fix you like some goofy, some sweet James kind of, but it but a doctor version.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:10

Wow. I didn't know it was that that hard. Well, that definitely not go. It's too late for me now, but I was yeah. So if I had a kid, I'd be like, no, you don't need to go to medical school. Just uh you know, robots are gonna be doing all these jobs anyways. I know.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

Wait, so they have to okay, so they have to pay monthly for their license. Is that what I'm hearing?

SPEAKER_05 13:29

Yeah, and that's before she's gotten lawsuits, right? Because if you get malpractice, then that license fee probably goes up, right? Like your inch car insurance. So if she had if she had a malpractice on there, yeah, take a couple points off or whatever, right? They got points on their points. Yeah, she got why are you paying so much uh surgery fees? Well, I got I killed five people, so they don't just tell you no, they're like no, I just pay the fees and I could I could keep doing. I just try not to, you know. I told them don't give me any old people anymore. That was part of the problem.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

So I don't know what's going on in there, but she was like whispering, telling me, and I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_05 14:09

Wow. Thanks. It's not, it's all yeah, just be a nurse, right? Just be a nurse. You don't have to pay that a fee to be a nurse. They I know nurses, they make like $50, $60, $75 an hour sometimes. They do they do well, they're all vacationing. All the nurses I know got money in the bank, they got a dope car, and they're vacationing a lot, a lot. They're going like the the Caribbean, like three times a year. These girls, it's great. It seems like a great you know, when they're working though, it's like you know, graveyard shift, like they work their asses off, but they get they get paid.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

Like a nurse practitioner is you're a nurse, but you're as cl the closest you are to a doctor, you can see patients and like that's the way to do it.

SPEAKER_05 14:51

That's the way to do it. Then you have to don't have to pay these licensing fees or and go to school that long because those doctors have student loans that are way more than what the nurses would have, right? These doctors have six-figure student loans, a lot of them. That's a that's yeah, that's not a good deal. I would just do the nurse thing. You know, you gotta touch P more when you're a nurse, though.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

Yeah, I gotta wipe some assets.

SPEAKER_05 15:10

You gotta wipe, yeah, you gotta wipe a booty if you're if you're when you're a nurse. You just gotta PS. A lot more PS. There's a lot more PS involves. Sure, sure. Emptying bedpans like crazy.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

That's fine. I'll empty a bedpan for a couple weeks in the Caribbean.

SPEAKER_03 15:28

For a trip to the Caribbean.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Yeah, sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

How do we get there? We're all peeing shit. That's funny. But I mean, I I don't know. But I have heard that the healthcare system is like like completely transforming. Where before you were able to, you know, you had insurance and you were like, okay, I want to go to a doctor, I want to see this, and now everything is like it's just so hard now. It's it's so hard.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

Even to get insurance, uh I can only imagine to get insurance is is already difficult enough, but while you have it, then it's like a whole new thing. It's it's accessible, but then at the same time it's not because you you have to know how to work work through like what networks. I don't know. I still don't know what a HMO and a PPO is.

SPEAKER_05 16:22

I have no I don't know that I don't know either. I just have the I have the free healthcare, whatever that is. They call it Medical. Have you heard of this? Yeah, it's totally free though for me because I don't make any money, so it's totally free, which I don't know. I I don't know what to compare it with. It's not the worst.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

No, it's it's not.

SPEAKER_05 16:45

You know, um, I don't I haven't really paid for anything.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:50

So but I I don't I don't think I have the best doctors though. Like that. There's something like there's something Yeah, I'm always like, hmm, you're yeah, you know, like you're getting the students. Yeah, there's something going on with the doctors. Yeah, my doctor, yeah, she don't even see me. Like she doesn't want to see me. I think there's a I can't prove this, but I think there's a separate phone line at the office for the people with the free insurance, and that shit just kicks the voicemail. You just like it's like, oh, it's a person with free insurance call. Put it to voicemail.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Well, there are certain doctors because I've I've called before like to make appointments for him, and then they'll be like, Oh, what insurance does he have? And then they'll be like, Oh, we're not taking any more people under that insurance. We're not taking any more people under this insurance.

SPEAKER_05 17:37

So it's like that explains it. That explains why I call my doctor for something. They're like, Yeah, we can see you two Thursdays from now. I'm like, I call, I was covered in this rash one day. I call head to toe rash. I don't know what the hell was going on, right? Uh hives or whatever you want to call it, but like head to toe. I was very I I got a photo of it in my phone because I was so freaked out. And then she's like, Um, yeah, you can come in. The office said you can come in next Thursday, we'll take a look. And I'm like, I couldn't accept that.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

So I couldn't accept it.

SPEAKER_05 18:10

I go, I go, well, look at uh, I go, I think it's um this was years ago when this was going around. I go, I think I might be, I might have monkeypox. Right? Do you remember it was monkeypox? This was during that time. I go, I think I think it's monkeypox. And they and they totally changed their attitude. Like, oh my god, that sounds really serious. You better come in today. And I go, Yeah, yeah. You gotta trick these bitches. You gotta catfish your doctor to just to see you. You're like, you think you got Ebola? No, no, it's just a little scrape. But like, you know, my check engine light is on, lady. Why don't you see me? I gotta beg. It's very true. It's so sad. It's so sad. Like, but it's free. Well, I can't complain. Yeah, you know, I'm you know, I see what my I see the girl I'm dating, I see what she pays for regular insurance. $750 a month.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

$750?

SPEAKER_05 19:04

Yeah, and that's not even the highest tier of the thing she's in.

SPEAKER_01 19:07

But that's the thing, you have to know how to work it, right? Yeah, I mean, you're getting the insurance that you get, but you know how to work it. Say if there's somebody that wasn't as bold as you that had that rash all over their body, yeah. It would have taken them weeks to get seen. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

It would have been weird.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:25

It's funny because she sent me to the she sent me because the your GP can't do anything, right? They don't, they're like, they're just general. So anything that's specific, they can't do it. So the like, like if you go for like I got a like I got a shin issue, they're like, oh, I don't do the shin. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Yeah, you have to go to a specialist.

SPEAKER_05 19:41

Yeah, like yeah, yeah. You go well, sometimes my toes hurt too. The pain goes. No, I never I didn't like I didn't study, I didn't study the toes when it was too old. So I go in for the skin issue, right? She's like, Oh, I don't do the skin. I'm like, lady, we're all skin.

SPEAKER_03 19:54

Yeah, we're all skin. We're like the whole body's skin.

SPEAKER_05 19:58

How do you not do skin? Right. So, like, I mean, like, she goes, You gotta see a skin guy, but like, because it's a free insurance, she has to make an she has to apply. This is how that system works. She has to apply, right? She's gotta write a description of my issue, and I gotta hope she wrote something like some nice poetry about my condition, you know what I mean, to get to get approved. They don't even surprisingly, when they when they're submitting that shit, it's all written. They don't even take photos of you. Isn't that stupid? Like, they don't take a photo of your condition. Some conditions, like a photo would help push it through, right? So they just write, like they're writing paragraphs of whatever. I just hope that it's good, you know what I mean? I hope that she's feeling like she wants to be accurate that day and submits it, and I gotta wait, and then like it too by the time it then it goes, it gets approved. But then now I got bad insurance. So I get a I get an appointment with the skin dude. I have to then wait another that takes a while to get an appointment. Took a while to get it approved, took a while to get an appointment. By the time I saw the skin dude, it was like three months had gone by, and I went anyway. But and the guy, I was like, uh, hey man, so I I had this skin issue. I don't have it anymore, but I just thought I'd come. Like I didn't even have the skin issue anymore, but I still went on the appointment, you know, because I never get approved. And I thought this was like an opportunity to meet you, to finally meet you. Yeah, yeah. The guy, I'm like, I like I know you're a skin guy, but like I get I get nightmares when I eat grapes. Like, help me out. What do you know? Tell me what you know, bro. Like, I never see a a specialist. So that was that's how it goes, though. You're right, though. You gotta like finagle the system. Um, you know, but for California, man, it's pretty impressive. It's okay. Like, I never pay for prescriptions or nothing. Uh yeah, I get in, I got a screwed up uh shoulder, and I've been going to PT and I got acupuncture, and it's and it's all been covered.

SPEAKER_06 21:44

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 21:45

So I'm making it work somehow.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

And Jonesy, you're originally from Massachusetts, right? Yeah, that's right. When did you come to California?

SPEAKER_05 21:53

I came in uh twenty sixteen. Twenty sixteen. So it's been about ten years. Yeah. Nice. I didn't come from Mastodor, I was living In New York for 12 years.

SPEAKER_01 22:01

Oh wow. How how was that? It was great.

SPEAKER_05 22:03

Yeah. I went to New York City to just strictly do to well, not strictly, but to go do stand-up comedy more than what I was doing in Boston. And ended up staying there 12 years and had a great time. Did a lot of things. Did a lot of things. Got on some TV shows as an actor, did some theater, some sketch, did a lot of a lot of commercials, voiceovers, had a blast, made some money, and then came out here in 2016 and uh been making no money. But uh I'm happier. You're happier? Yeah, I'm really happy out here. Yeah. You like LA? Yeah, I love it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

I was gonna say what coast is the best. I I love you don't have the end of the state. It's hard to right.

SPEAKER_05 22:46

I like the people on the east coast so much. Um but I love I love the lifestyle out here. I love the weather, and there's like there's so much more you can do. So much more you can do here, it seems. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:02

You got the oceans, the mountains, you can you you can like ski, you can s surf, and you can go to the deserts. Like there's so many options here. It's okay. Yeah, I love it so much here. Yeah, as long as I'm living in the United States, more than likely it'll be here.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

Nice.

SPEAKER_05 23:17

I believe, yeah. And I'll keep getting that free health care as long as I can.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

You should be here.

SPEAKER_05 23:24

But if I'm getting the free health care, that means I'm not in a good place career-wise. I think we can all admit. Or I'm lying on my taxes. But that seems to be the the the way of our uh culture these days, right? Isn't it lying is getting do you notice that lying is not it's not as much of a sin as it used to be now? Because all of our leaders lie so much, like it's totally normal. Yeah, I can't imagine what it's like raising a kid right now because kids be probably be lying and they'd be like, well, so what? It's a lie.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

So what it's a lie?

SPEAKER_05 23:51

A president lies. What do you say to that? That's true. My governor lies. I'm like, oh fuck. Our priests lie. Yeah, priests lie too. Fuck. What all of our role models are are a bunch of liars, and then you're gonna what are you gonna tell your kids? Mmm, it's rough stuff, man. We don't have to get political. I'll just I'll just put that there.

SPEAKER_00 24:12

But it but you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

No, it's perspective, right? Yeah, I mean, what do you tell your kid if he claps back with that? Oh, well, our I don't know. Yeah, what do you say? Do doctors lie? Probably. I'm pretty sure that they had they had a an appointment like in between those three weeks that you needed to see him.

SPEAKER_05 24:34

I mean, lying is seems to be like the like well, people don't even it's not even a thing to like you call somebody out for lying, and they'll uh sometimes they'll act like what like you're rude. Like why would you you know what I mean? It's like calling off somebody who's late for something, you know, like it's yeah, there's no accountability in it. The accountability is kind of and there's no personal responsibility, and if you let liars off the hook, you know, yeah, what are we doing now?

SPEAKER_00 25:05

And I think that everything is like like you were saying, like, you know, like um the leaders up there or wherever the fuck they're but you know it's like one of those things like well I'm gonna screw the system because the system's fucking screwing everybody.

SPEAKER_05 25:19

That's the it's flawed, yeah, yeah. In fact, there's like a there's been a like there's like been a uh uh a philosophy in our culture that's been banging around for probably like I don't know, 10 years now. People go, especially in Hollywood, maybe I don't know if other places, but in Hollywood, people like say like fake it till you make it. Yeah, what you're saying is lie, yeah, be a liar, lie about your accolades, lie about who you are, lie about what you've done, lie about what you can do, fake it till you make it. That's like some bullshit, and and people live by that and people applaud that. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

There's two things because I've heard I've heard of that of uh fake it till you make it, but I've also heard living in advance too.

SPEAKER_05 26:02

I guess like living in advance, that means running up your credit card bill. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Which I was like, okay, cool. Yeah, fake it till you make it is like you go out and you buy 150,000 Instagram followers.

SPEAKER_01 26:15

Oh yeah, yep. There's that too.

SPEAKER_05 26:18

I know come I know comedians that do that. And then and then they get booked to do a big show in another city, and um what those bookers look for now is they look at your number, right? So now you got it says you have 200,000 followers, but they ain't real. So then you go to that city, you go to you go to Nashville, right, and you got this show, and how many tickets they sell? 15.

SPEAKER_07 26:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:44

In a place that seats 200. So you faked it to you, you faked it like look what happened to you. And now the club is pissed off, and the booker's like, what the hell?

SPEAKER_01 26:54

We were just talking about this, was it last week? About I there right, there there's some there's some people that can talk they can talk their way through to the top to wherever, right? But they once they go on stage, like their their I guess wherever they at they're at in their comedy doesn't back up how much talk they talk themselves up to be. And I can only imagine, like, if you're like a booker or producer, you're like, oh well, he says he's cool, like he he's done all these different things, and then once he's there for five minutes and completely does nothing happens, it's like how do you keep on doing that? It's it's it's gotta be tough. The book person that does that.

SPEAKER_05 27:49

If you're selling tickets, the booker don't give a shit what you do up there.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

Really?

SPEAKER_05 27:54

Yeah, the booker don't care. These this is where the a lot of the a lot of the clubs are going this way, and uh they don't care what you do up there. That's why they're booking like influencers and stuff, like comedy influencers. They put 'em, they sell out the joint. They'll sell out the joint two shows a night. They're like, great. That influencer can just go up there and talk, do a Q ⁇ A. They don't it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. What they do it might not even be comedy, you know, doesn't matter. You know, like um, even some like uh I've seen these uh serial killer podcasts. Okay, these murder podcasts serious podcasts. Um they'll they'll do a live podcast or do do a live event Q ⁇ A with their fans or whatever. I've seen I've seen one of those, I wasn't there, but they use the comedy club as one as a venue. So that's not even a night of comedy. We're talking about a night of a murder podcast doing Q ⁇ A in their venue, you know, but they sold out the joint, and that that's what was happening that night. Um, so it's like they just wanna they just wanna get that room booked, man. They just want to sell those, sell those tickets. I see it again and again. And being funny is not even it's like secondary now.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

It's really something where you've been around for for a long time. Where do you think that like that changed? Has it always been like that?

SPEAKER_05 29:14

A lot of us have been saying that it's been since COVID, coming out of COVID, that this has changed. Yeah, yeah. Hard to figure out exactly when, but a lot of like in general, we've been saying that. And when I say we, I mean like bitter old comics like me who only are funny but have no following. So let's just be clear. You know, it's me and my grizzled old buddies going, like, what the fuck, man? I can't get I can't get booked anymore. Like clubs that used to book you don't book you anymore for weekends because it's a it's a dice roll with you because you don't have a lot of followers and you kind of you have a shifty ticket sales thing and it's just not guaranteed. They'd rather go with a more guaranteed ticket sales uh performer, regardless of whether or not they're a uh a seasoned comedian or or not.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

But I think like even like for me, I don't do comedy, but I I enjoy comedy. I like the art of comedy, like I can appreciate it. And I think from seeing like shows back in 2012, you know, in in hotels and all these places where I used to go with my friends to watch comedy, I think it's changed so much. And even now as a spectator, like sometimes I go to shows and I'm just like, what the fuck? Like it I think that a lot of of like what you're saying, like social media, I mean social media's screwed up a lot of things, but I think that it social media now is throwing like credibility in kind of in like the comedy realm, kind of out the door a little bit. Where I mean, uh maybe for me, maybe I I'm I can't speak for everybody, but for me, sometimes I feel like like oh, it's really changed and it's very different. And even like people that are coming out to see comedy shows, their expectations of comedy shows are are completely changing because they're following these influencers that are doing videos on their social media, and then they go to the show to see them, and then if they go to another comedy show and it's not like the one from the influencer, they're like, What the fuck is this? Like what is this?

SPEAKER_01 31:16

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 31:17

And it's it's it's changing.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

There's somebody up on the stage doing really good material, really jokes, real jokes.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

And the only the only reason that I'm saying it is because I've heard it like from someone that I know that had just started getting into like comedy, and they go and see all the, you know, they're like, Oh, you know, last week I went and I seen so and so, and it's someone that oh, like a like a person, yeah, it came from like social media, and then they saw a social media person, yeah. And they're like, Oh, I love going to comedy shows, and I'm like, Oh, who else have you seen? And everybody they told me were like social media, influencers, yeah, like influencers, and I was like, Oh, I was like, Have you been to like a real comedy show? Yeah, like a real, like, you know, like and she was like, Yeah, but it it was really boring.

SPEAKER_05 32:05

She was like, they didn't really talk to us and they didn't do anything interactive, and I was like Oh, this is the new, yeah, the interactive that they like, yeah. This whole this whole crowd work stuff has really popped off. So this is someone who likes that. Yeah, there's a whole this is a whole genre.

SPEAKER_07 32:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:25

This crowd work stuff, and audiences love that. So they want to go, they go see like Rene Vaca, somebody like that. This is what he does, right? Matt Reif does this too. Right. And people love to be, they love that, they love to be part of it. I didn't want to be talked to. I want to be uh the days of like the days of like you're the pro, you take over, you entertain me. Now it's like you're kind of a pro, but all of us are pretty good too. Yes. We want to we we think we together we can make your show way better, way better. So if you especially when we're all liquored up, we're just wet, we're like, you want us.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

Hey, I got one for you, I got one me.

SPEAKER_05 33:04

Me, yeah, I got one for you. Pick on me. Yeah, ask me something. Yeah, yeah. This, yeah. So this is this friend you're describing is one of those people. Yeah, I've heard of these people.

SPEAKER_00 33:15

Like, I've heard of them. Well, and that's not everybody, right?

SPEAKER_05 33:20

It's like a it's a it's a passive versus an active experience, right? So you got gen, maybe I don't know what this comes from, but like um young generations, what do they love so much about video games? It's like a movie, right? But it's not passive. You're participating in it, you're controlling the characters, and it's so realistic. They love this this um participation thing. Even they can't even like they'll even watch like sporting events and they'll be chatting about it. Let's just say as another example, chatting. That's so that that's an option that makes it active. So they can be like, you know, like tonight the Knicks game is on. They could be chatting in the thing, like chatting about the Knicks or and the Knicks are gonna win in four or whatever the hell. This sort of like it's entertainment, but there's an active component of it. Old school stand-up comedy is shut up. This is a passive experience. You you do not say a thing, we got a bouncer that's gonna eliminate you, you know, if you if you try to make it about you, or you try to help, or whatever. Right. And now, but like this, so now this active thing, which has been a new phenomenon in the comedy world, which is all these these crowdware comics, even bringing crowd people on stage. You know, this whole thing, this is that's a way for them to get active, and that's the kind of interactive entertainment that they're they're kind of been raised on in a way. Um, on some level. This is just my it's just kind of like me trying to piece this together. You know, I'm a I'm an older guy in my 40s. I don't I'm just trying to like come up with a theory of what's going on. We're a lot of us are like confused in the comedy world of like why is this happening? So we've talked about it a lot. This is what I think is going on. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

Right. I I think, and I I was just thinking about this too, that I guess comedy changes, right? Like just the way it's performed, like throughout the years, right? Every decade it it it it evolves, but I feel like the audience never really evolves. I think within the past couple of years, the audience evolved, like just the way that they're consuming it, rather than just like what you said, just sitting down and and they're not they're not about that, they're not about that.

SPEAKER_05 35:37

Um they think that they're like this this can be participatory too. I I think I think you I think that's what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

People used to be scared to sit in the front row because they didn't want to be called on. And now they'd be like, don't put me up there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 35:54

Now it's like put me up there. I'm gonna put my feet on the stage.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

Yeah, I'm gonna put my I've seen that. You're you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_05 36:02

So where I come from, you don't put your feet on the stage. That is like sacred ground. That's the comedian's that's the comedian's place. Even I did I studied theater, even as an actor, like that that that that stage is magic. They don't the crowd, if a crowd person puts their feet on that stage, like that is one of the most disrespectful things you can do. It disrespects the whole aura of the separation of art and consumers of art. And now these fools just put their beer on the stage, their legs on the stage, they they get up and they show, they they they just take out their phone and show the comedian. They like they what I mean. The whole thing is just it's gone, it's gone, it's gone nuts. They're way too comfortable. These crowds are way too comfortable. And uh they think this is like I don't know what they think it is. They think it's like a backyard barbecue that they could just they could just be like, hey, I got something to say about this. Hold my beer, you know? Yeah. Uh yeah, and I'm not adjusting well to it, as you can see. I'm not adjusting well to it. I'm like, I like the I like telling jokes. I got into this business because I love I get a such a boner of writing a joke and trying it out and writing a joke and using my mind and my words to craft something that gets a certain response from the crowd. And I just that's why I liked it so much when I was doing it. I'm like, this is like I'm casting spells. I'm casting these spells with my words. These words are getting, they're getting that having this effect on people. I'm controlling them like a puppet master, you know what I'm saying? Like Metallica, old school puppet master shit. You remember the album? Yeah, remember the cover? Yeah, puppet master. I'm controlling these people with just my delicate little words and ideas, right? And I thought that was so dope. And now, like, the people don't even want that. They're like, yeah, we we don't want you to be so much a puppet master. We want to be, we want to be on equal level with you, uh the crowd. We want to be, hey, we're magical people too. We're sorcerers, we can we can spin some words. We've stuck, we've practiced jokes for years and years. We've told jokes with our friends in the locker room. We're worthy of that. Why shouldn't we be part of the show? I get some laughs in my text thread every day. Why shouldn't I be part of the show now? How about that?

SPEAKER_01 38:21

I get laughing emojis, I get big LOLs.

SPEAKER_03 38:24

I get super LOLs, yeah. Mega LOLs. Why shouldn't I be part of your show? Famous person.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

Yeah, I don't I don't get it. And as a spectator, like it's uh it it just it ruins a show for me because I'm just like, shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_05 38:41

But I think you're one you want you're you're an old school, you got an old soul with that stuff though. You're an old school person. That's what I that's why that's what I'm like at a um at a comedy show. I would never be like, let's just let's just let's just get another analogy involved. Would you be so thrilled if you went to see Tool and then they let somebody from role four drum for a little while?

SPEAKER_00 39:02

Hell no.

SPEAKER_05 39:03

They're like Danny Carey, you're probably the greatest drummer living right now, but like let's get Joe McGonagall, who's uh who works at the docks on the on the during the week. He wants to go for uh play a track. Maybe that's a little bit of an exaggeration, but do you do like who's paying for that? What crowd wants that? Right. I mean, I I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

I think there's there's two like it there there's it's a branch, right? It's a branch of of I guess a type of audience person and a type of uh another type of of comedy that's like I guess branching out, and you kind of figure out what you like and what you don't like, and you find you find stand-up comics, you find producers that okay, I'm gonna go support them because they do this specific type of art that I like. I guess you can say it's a an a genre of of comedy, right?

SPEAKER_05 40:03

Yeah, like a subcategory, right?

SPEAKER_01 40:06

Like uh like a horror movie, right? Uh yeah, yeah. Say say you you're not really into horror, like I'm gonna go see a rom com. I'm gonna go see a sci-fi.

SPEAKER_05 40:15

So comedy, yeah, I think you nailed it another aspect of it. It's evolved into like these other sub-genres right now. Well, you got the crowd work stuff, and then you got like you even got like niche theme shows now. So like a horror comedy night. I remember those. I went to the show. Or like the um the classics are that you still see, and these have been going on for a while now. You'll have like um specific ethnicity nights. Yes, yeah, so like we're doing Middle Eastern night, this is the Asian invasion show, whatever, and you get that chocolate sundays at the Laugh Factory, has all been a you know, predominantly all black show for a long, long time. These these ethnic themed shows, but now they've gotten a little even more specific than the ethnicities. Now they're getting into they're going deep into like very they're going very niche, and then you know it's kind of smart though, right? Because then you know where to go to sell tickets. Because if I just do a general comedy show, I don't know who who's coming. But if I'm doing a comedy show that's about uh superheroes, it's like a superhero theme, like I know where to market that. I know where to get my nerds to come. You know, I know how to do that, and that's uh that's that's pretty smart. So I think you're right, yeah. It's evolved into these shut subgenres, and I just gotta deal with that. And I just gotta I gotta find my subgenre. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 41:33

What would be your subgenre, Jonesy? Oh man. Uh anger?

SPEAKER_00 41:42

Angry man.

SPEAKER_05 41:44

Yeah, I know. We've already Bill Burr already did that. So like uh I don't know. It's like Well, that's true. I was gonna say Angry Man from Boston. From Massachusetts. Yeah, it's me and it's Bill Burr and Nick DePolo and me. Uh you know, I guess you you know what they do, they go to their interests, right? They go to the, they find like, what is my hobby? And then maybe I can pull a stroll around that. A friend of mine did a sports comedy show, and I um I went and watched it, and it I thought it was great. How do you do that? What what what was the concept? Uh all the comics had to do only sports jokes. They had to write stand-up material about sports only. Oh, all right. Um then at the end of the show, he he pretended like it was a uh it was a coach talking after a game. And he was like, I want to get, you know, thank we came out strong. We came out strong with Benny, you know. Uh Benny came out strong. You know, he's been he's been our guy this this season, so it's been really, really nice. And then he took questions like, so we're gonna go to the press. You guys got any questions about the game? And like so it was it it had that aspect to it, which I thought was cute. Uh but no one really bought tickets, and so he never did another one. And he told me I I could do the second one, and I got very excited, and I wrote a bunch of sports jokes, and then I never I never got to do them. Um, but I have like a I have an inbox full of some sports jokes that I did. But it's a little niche. If you do sports jokes at comics, you can kind of get away a little bit, but if you do a bunch, like you know, it's kind of a lot of not everybody likes sports, it's like it's very specific. You know, not a lot of women are into like you know, doing like I'm doing like a hockey joke. Like, what am I doing here? You know what I mean? Like, I'm already like being I'm already saying like, all right, half the crowd, I've cut it in half now, and then out of those, I probably cut it in half again, because out of all the sports fans, who likes hockey? Like, this is like so you're just kind of limiting yourself. So I thought that was a cool theme show, but I haven't I haven't seen any of that. I guess I would probably re revitalize a sports theme show if I was gonna do it again.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

I have a coworker that's uh he he went to nursing school and his wife is uh uh uh in nursing. I'm not too sure what her. Position is in like the industry. His twin brother is a nurse. He ended up in in a different industry, but he went to a comedy show. I want to say like a few months ago. And nurse John. It was a nurse that did Nurse John. Nurse. Yeah. It was like a nurse comedy show.

SPEAKER_05 44:18

I know, I know this guy. Yeah. This guy, yeah. This guy sells theaters. Yeah, sells nurses. Right.

SPEAKER_07 44:24

What the heck? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:25

Nurses. He's kind of a mid-comic. He's like, okay. For comic. Like for nurses, they love him, but he's kind of eh. Right. So he's smart.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

But he puts it together.

SPEAKER_05 44:36

He books some funny friends of mine to feature for him to go on before him. So they get a real comic, a real stand-up classic, stand-up comedian, no crowd work, does good jokes, smart jokes, funny jokes. And then he goes on afterward and does his hour of nurse stuff and whatever. And so together it becomes this great whole experience. So even if the nurses had brought their husbands or wives who aren't nurses, who might not enjoy So it's not it's not an all-nurse lineup.

SPEAKER_01 45:05

Correct.

SPEAKER_05 45:05

It's not an all-nurse lineup. He has someone before him doing a normal stand-up act for 20, 25 minutes or whatever. So that there's something, you know, everybody can get something out of it. Because if you're dragged there and you're not a nurse, you're like, you're not gonna-thirds of the what he's talking about, right? You know, because the the bits are so nurse-centric. So smart guy, nurse John, doing very well, by the way. I'm completely jealous. Like I, you know, this guy's made more money at comedy in probably three years than I've than I have in 20 years. You know, I just I don't have this, I didn't fall into this niche, right? This is good for him, you know. It's it's really smart. But I don't, I don't, I, you know, I that never I never got that. I just thought I would be a a universal I try to make all kinds of people laugh in all kinds of environments, all kinds of ethnicities, ages, walks of life. I've performed comedy in like different different countries. Uh you know, I've gone, I've performed in Malaysia and Japan and Taiwan and Thailand, you know. I try to make those people, you know, people over there laughed as as well. I've done youth hostels with international hostels where you get people from everywhere. Yeah, I've done a lot of that. Yeah, what was your question? Japan. How was Japan? Oh, it was it was great.

SPEAKER_01 46:16

Yeah? Yeah. There's um wait, you did English? Yeah, yeah, I did English. And they it was the crowd knew English? The crowd knew English.

SPEAKER_05 46:25

It was um it's at like at a like a British pub. Oh, okay. And so it's all ex it's people that speak English from all over the world that happen to be living there or traveling through. Uh-huh. And uh and so they this is their hang this is one of their hangout joints if they want to hang out with English speaking people. Oh, cool. So you're getting like you know, Kiwis, Australians, Irish, even you know, Swedes, all kinds of people, you know, Germans even as well. They're just they happen to be there and they they want some English speaking comedy. And the one the place in Osaka does it like four nights a week or something.

SPEAKER_01 47:03

Whoa.

SPEAKER_05 47:04

Yeah, they're doing it like a lot. The one there's one in Japan, it's it's called the uh the comedy bar. They only do like English comedy like a couple nights on the weekends, from my understanding. But the one in Osaka is like banging, they're doing a bunch of nights a week. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:17

Is Osaka the place that has the the taco, the the taco and burrito place? I think so. We gotta go there. Next time we go to Japan, we're going there, and I'm trying to I'm gonna try to do that. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 47:33

I was gonna say it's kind of like when we went to the um to what is it called? Heavysick, the the club.

SPEAKER_01 47:42

There was there was the guy that we met, and he was from uh Oh, because they had the Moon Moon Eyes was doing uh um a car show there.

SPEAKER_00 47:51

But some of them that was their hangout spot. Like the that guy was there on vacation, but he was from London. But he was hanging out there, and then the girl with the pixie cut, the one that got pushed, remember? She was um from Ireland, and then there was the other guy too, and he was also from somewhere in Europe, and that's that was like they lived in Japan, and then that was their hangout spot.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

Oh, okay. Yeah, got it.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

So something like that, right? Is what I'm kind of getting at that they live there and they go and do that. That's cool. Do you think, um, not do you think? I guess what I'm asking is like because right now that we're talking about all these sub-genres, right, that we kind of coined. Um it wasn't always like that, right? It wasn't always like I don't think so. Do you think do you think this is happening because there's um like a saturation of comedy shows and yeah, saturation of comedians and well I guess so but we've had like this creator explosion, right?

SPEAKER_05 48:54

And so when you get an explosion of creators, you're naturally gonna have more musicians and comedians and actors and I mean cameramen and sound people. You're just gonna get like more of everything. So I think that's what's happened now. So we get you get more comedians, right?

SPEAKER_00 49:15

Then you have to get creative on like okay, a normal comedy show isn't doing it right now for me. What can I do to you know bring other people out?

SPEAKER_05 49:25

Well it's a way to make money, right? So like if you're an online comedian, right, but you've never done you don't do stand-up, you just you talk funny to the camera. What I know some people they get you know, they get they get a big following this way, right? Maybe they make some money off of um monetization or just from YouTube or something, but like another money stream could be they're like, oh, I could you could sell tickets to an event, right? That's another money stream. What am I gonna do? Well, I'm a comedian, so I guess I'll just book a comedy night at a club and now I guess I'll just figure this out. And so now you get people just jumping into that world from an influencer space or whatever, talking heads, right, tick tocker, and it's like this could be another income stream. I know I can sell tickets, I'm gonna I'm gonna go into that world now for the income.

SPEAKER_01 50:21

Who did I see at uh in in Austin? He jelly roll? I think I seen Jelly Roll like the comedians, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I seen Jelly Roll uh uh I think at the sunset strip uh in Austin, I was like, oh, he's he's doing comedy now. Or was he doing comedy? It was just a picture of him with the microphone on stage. I'm not teaching it was you know just that, or he was like, you know, you get the people, you know.

SPEAKER_05 50:50

I was I was I was coming right out of COVID um TI was trying it. And and and he was trying it at at the at the place that I was hanging out at quite a bit. So I got to see his first f you know few times. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And uh and at that venue, it was just a bar in Hollywood, but yeah, that's where he was trying to cutting his teeth a little bit with it. But it was him, and then I also did see him get on at the laugh factory around that time as well in in Hollywood. Um, but yeah, I saw him trying it out and trying to do it. And um so then you get people who are curious, who yeah, all their friends have told him they're funny, and right he happened to be really close with uh Dave Dave Chappelle. Um he is close with Dave Chappelle and Donnell Rawlings, and I sp I I believe one of them suggested it. I think um he got and so he got motivated to give it a try, and so he was doing it for a little while. This was probably in 2022 or 2021, something like that. I can't remember exactly, but yeah, and uh so people like that, like they get they get uh you know, they get curious.

SPEAKER_01 52:03

I think also too, like you said, we're in there's this there was this big boom of creators, right, in the past let's let's say decade, right? Let's say decade. And it because everything is so accessible now and terms can be uh used loosely, I guess, online. Right? Like I mean, me and Amber ha have had this conversation too about like headliner, right? That there's there's certain people that I I'm just saying that the term headliner has been loosely used within comedy with it very very loosely and it's just who like we're no per we're we're nobody to tell people oh like you're you're not this, you're not that, but it I wonder how they did it back in like the the 70s and 80s and 90s on determining who who is who's right how that happens or who does that.

SPEAKER_05 53:13

There were gatekeepers back then. Those gatekeepers are gone now. There were gatekeepers at the clubs, they were gatekeepers in media. You had like at one point it was Johnny Carson or Bust. That's true. You had to be, yeah, you get on Carson, and not only that, he had to invite you. There was like levels of levels of approval when you were on Carson. Sometimes you just give you like the thumbs up, and it, but if he literally loved you, invited you to the couch, boom, every door opened for you in the world of stand-up comedy. If he invited you over to the couch, that was like these are the levels. This guy was a gatekeeper. At the clubs, in the very beginning of the clubs, the host was the gatekeeper. The hosts were hosts had all the power at comedy clubs a long time ago. The host ran everything, the host decided who went on and who went when and who went on and when. So that was a gatekeeper. If you went to like the original improv, did you like um or the comedy store way back when it was new, you know, the there was the hosts were running the show, and those were the gatekeepers. And they, if you if you if they gave you a shot and then you weren't funny, like good luck coming back next night and getting on. Guys like Richard Belzer was like, you know, who we a lot of people know from being like a an actor in crime um shows, but he was he was a big time host, uh stand-up comedy host for the beginning of his career, and he was a powerful host. He was people like that, and those were your gatekeepers. This is all gone away, right? There's no you're a headliner if you rent out the space, yeah, and you put yourself on the flyer with a bigger face than everybody, and that you're at the front and center, like you're you know, you're the headliner, right?

SPEAKER_01 55:01

This is what's going on. So I guess that's it's just the floodgates have opened to to all this.

SPEAKER_05 55:09

It's well you could link it back to right, fake it till you make it, right? So this is another aspect of it, right? So if you say you're if you if you got some marketing and PR flackery, now it's like you look like you're you know Yeah, but where's the where's the the the morality?

SPEAKER_02 55:23

The merit. Where's the morality?

SPEAKER_01 55:26

Where's so cute? Where's where's the morality? Where's the morality? How do you sleep at night? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 55:33

How do they sleep at night?

SPEAKER_01 55:35

Knowing that you you're doing this.

SPEAKER_05 55:37

I ask myself this all the time. You're like you're asking somebody who lies on a flyer how they sleep at night. I'm I'm wondering, how does Kevin Hart sleep at night for say saying yes to every stupid product that they ask him to be a shill for? That's true. That's what that's where I go. How do you sleep at night? Right. And what do you know he'd probably say? He'd be like very comfortably in my $25,000 bed.

unknown 55:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 56:00

But like, yeah, people lying this people see big players in Hollywood being completely complete sellouts and being dishonest or given a foot rub, whatever they have to do to make it. Of they have no problem lying on a flyer. That's nothing.

SPEAKER_01 56:20

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_05 56:21

Are you kidding me? These motherfuckers are lying on billboards that cost 50k a month. That's true. This guy, you're like, I'll take whatever, you know. This is what I'm a cynical guy, obviously. You could tell I'm a little bitter, but like I, you know, I'm also a realist.

SPEAKER_01 56:36

No, I I get that, but I'm just I'm just saying at like I I haven't been doing comedy very long. It's been about four years. I've known people that have started around the same time I did, and they're headlining and co-headlining. I'm just like, bro. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 56:57

Bro, when I started, you would not you would be no headliner after four years. You'd be like, I'm I'm I'm gonna be a feature in four years. Right. You'd be like, Do you shoot for feature?

SPEAKER_01 57:07

I mean, what what what what what do we do? Like, what do I do? I don't I don't it it's it's very confusing.

SPEAKER_03 57:13

These days are over though.

SPEAKER_05 57:14

So, like if you so you could be doing stand-up for four years, but you have such a following that you can sell tickets on the road. What are you gonna you're gonna say you're the feature over there? No, yeah, like you're that headliner for that weekend. Your face is on the event, yeah, and so by default, because of your ticket power, sales power, skills-wise, are you a headliner? Absolutely, you are not a headliner, and you can tell yourself that all day, but you're not, right? You're not, and you're not gonna be able to follow you know a lot of comics who have been doing this for a long time. You're not gonna be able to follow me, for instance. You're not gonna be able to follow me, you're not gonna be able to follow Shang. You're not gonna be able to follow Dwayne Perkins, you're not gonna be able to follow you know what I'm saying? Like you and so, but they sell the tickets and their faces their their face is the product, and so like by default, it's it's headliner. You know, I would hope that they have the self-awareness to know what the position that they're in, that that it's like like I know I'm I know I sell out, but I'm not like if they're watching real comics, they know where they stand. If they sit, if they watch Chang Wang, if they watch Lachlan Patterson, they know they're gonna know, oh I got it. Okay. Um if you watch Orney Adams, you'll be oh, got it. Okay, I'm not that. I'm not that. You know, I aspire to be that someday, but that guy, you're gonna that guy.

SPEAKER_00 58:39

But like you said, there's no right now, it's there there's no rules. It's a wild west, it's a wild west out there.

SPEAKER_01 58:48

It is, and that's what me and Amber say all the time.

SPEAKER_00 58:50

Like, we're I'm gonna have you move a little to your right. There you go. Perfect. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 58:56

Yeah, that's what me and Amber say. Uh like we're just like, you see this? You see, you see what's going on? It's the wild, wild west.

SPEAKER_00 59:03

We're no one, we're no one, and I I would say this on here. We're no one to say that.

SPEAKER_01 59:07

No, absolutely not. No.

SPEAKER_00 59:09

Horrible, someone is better. Like, no, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_01 59:12

I'm just questioning, I'm just asking, uh, like what's going on? Because it's very, it's very not I I hate to say the word confusing, but it's sometimes it becomes that just a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 59:26

I don't know. What like like think about how music is, right? Are the most talented musicians the ones that we're all hearing uh, you know, constantly? No. No. So I think there's there's something like going on like that, you know? Yeah, it's like if you're like the Taylor Swift phenomenon, right? Although she probably I mean, I can't really speak to her, I don't really listen to her stuff, but maybe she's got some great talent. I have no idea. But let's let's just say, let me just pick a general, very, very pretty girl that can dance well, that looks good in booty shorts, who has kind of an okay voice, can't play an instrument, can't write a song, people write songs for them. Yeah, and then they they go they are they are a mainstream hit. We've we can all name many that have done this, Britney Spears, whatever the hell you want to insert there. And um, are those people the best musicians in their genre? They're fucking of course they're not, you know. There's so I mean I I I sometimes wonder like has is comedy turned into that? Is it turned into music? Is it like it's it's a look, you know? It's a look, it's a you know, and you have an angle, you have something.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:42

You have a me too, brother.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:46

If it's a look, then I'm Kevin. What is it? So it's like so you dumbed down, it's a dumbed down act, it's an act that appeals to the lowest common denominator, right? Like my material isn't for the lowest common denominator. I'm not gonna give you, you know, you're not this is my I'm not for everybody. You know, you're not I'm not giving you're not getting uh dating jokes even. I don't even I hardly even go there with it. I mean, I got some and I whip them out one once in a while when I'm in trouble because I got a I'm sitting in front of a bunch of morons. And then I'm like, all right, you're getting my dating jokes, guys. Here we go. Oh, I got a karaoke joke you might like to chew on for a little while. Right. You know, I have some of that, but I don't like that's you know what that stuff is? That's the stuff I wrote at the very beginning of my comedy career. It was the dumbest, simplest stuff I had. I've evolved as an artist from there. I don't even like that stuff anymore. When I do it, uh I mean I get I do a joke about dating, I feel gross. I feel like I'm playing Free Bird, right? A covered song or something. Yeah. Some comic, but some comic, this is their bread and butter, and they do this. This is what they do. It's to me, it's uncreative, it's unoriginal, and they get somewhere with it because by hitting the common denominator over and over again, you got a country of 340 million people, 240 million of them are fucking dumbasses, and they eat that shit up like popcorn. And that's what we're dealing with, and that's why they like Taylor Swift. You know, this is what's going on. I think, I don't know. Again, I'm a bitter comic.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:24

Like Jose's for president. That was your presidential presentation.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:30

2028.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:31

When is the when is the next one?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:33

No, I agree with you though.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:34

The girl I'm dating, we we took a little road trip up to the bay where I did some shows and stuff, and then uh one particular show didn't go well, and we we both know why. If she and she said she's she spelled it out to me on the drive back. We had a we had a bit of an argument about it. She goes, you know why that show went south? It's because you wouldn't stop doing what you're doing. You were doing smart material, you know that crowd wasn't getting it, and you just kept pushing through. You couldn't change. You were gonna stick to your guns because that's who you are. But you know, if you could just change, if you could just take it down, she goes, you could have more followers on Instagram, you could build that audience that you always talk about that you wish you had, and she's right. Of course, I could do that. But will I sleep at night? You asked that question earlier. Right. Will I sleep at night if I if I start doing this bullshit? Will I sleep at night if I start doing crowd work just because that's what's going viral on the gram? Here's the problem you get yourself trapped when you start doing something that you got people start eating it up like a flavor. They go, hey, this is a flavor. I want more of this flavor. And then they then they come see me live. And then I'm not I'm tired of doing that shit, and I don't do that flavor that they came there for. Now that now I got an angry customer, right? Now I got an angry customer. You came to In N Out, and I gave you out and in. That's true. And now you want your money back, or you're gonna write a bad Yelp review about me. This guy's bullshit. He does, I follow his gram, but then I go see him live and it ain't that, you know. So, do I want to play that game too? That rat race? Do I want to open that door and go down there just because I want more Instagram followers? So we had this big, you know, this argument about it, and it's a it's a give or take thing. You know, it is a choice I'm making, of course. But I want to, you know, it's someone said, uh, make the art that you want to see in the world. You know, they were they were speaking about like a painter situation, like make the art I want to see in the world, or like a if it's more appropriate for like visual art, like make the movie you want to see. But I think, you know, when I think about stand-up comedy, I make the art that I want to, I make the stuff that I think is funny, that I want to see for funny words. And that's what I that's what I do. And so to do it. That's what it's about, right? It's about finding so. I think so. You know, you ask yourself, what did you get in the game for? You know, wouldn't I love to be able to, you know, sell out every weekend somewhere though, too? Yeah, sure. That would be great. You know, so I'm I'm stuck. You know, but I just hope that I keep grinding out the things that I do, you know, smarter bits, more original stuff, creative takes, you know. Um you know you you watch my bits and you're like, wow, that guy has a stance, you know. That that's you know and and maybe the people, I just hope someday the people uh you know follow me and come out. And if you want that, if you love if you want that stuff, you'll love it, and I'll give that to you again and again. But I don't want to pander to like I don't want to pander to like the the the 65% like middle America or some shit. Yeah, you know, like like Nate Nate Burgessy's got fucking seven houses, but like look who goes to see his show. You know, respect to Nate, but like if my crowd can if my crowd look like that

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

Like I'll keep my Medico my wife likes what you do too. Look at man, you know, I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:09

But that that's what what you being, and and then I think it it's authenticity and it and you being you because I again as a spec I'm only a spectator, right? But I do enjoy comedy, and I'm tired of going to comedy shows, and it's the same thing over and over, and everybody's jokes are around the same thing, and I'm just like, come on, like I can tell that you didn't write. I can tell that you just drove here and you were thinking about it, and you were like, you know what, it might be funny. Like it to me. And again, I again I am not a comedian, anything, but I appreciate comedy enough to know that some of it is just slop, you know, and it's like it gets tiring. It gets like sometimes he'll be like, You want to come with me? And then I have to kind of ask, like, where is it at? Or, you know, and then I'm like, nah, no. Because I already know what I'm getting myself into.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:10

You gotta be like, is it at a bar? Yeah, right. Yeah. That's a that's the first question. Is it at a bar? Right? Or you maybe you say, Is it an open mic? Is it at a bar? Oh, I don't even are you getting are the performers getting paid? Is there admission? Are they charging admission? Because free shows, you know, you know, I mean, you gotta questions. Yeah, you know what kind of questions. You know the kind of show you're gonna get. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:32

And no shade to anyone, like I but this is my personal preference is I like to see real comedians. Like, and it doesn't have to be, you don't have to be this, you know, selling out venues. No.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:47

No, I think just uh Amber, she appreciates uh a well-written joke. Yeah. And and comics that perform well-written material. People should people don't appreciate it enough, I don't think. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:04

They don't understand how many times I have to I have to put that up, this bit to rewrite it, and how many times I've had to do it. We're talking like you know, I work on a bit for a hundred sets.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:20

No, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:21

Fifty sets minimum to get a bit into a place. I'm better now, I can get it into a place a little quicker, but we're still talking 50, 100 sets before I get that bit into a place. And I and it's like crafting it here and there, you know, it's like a take a piece off, put a piece on, boom, like a imagine a sculpture for people that are listening at home. It's a sculpture, and then you, you know, you you kind of mold it into like something. It looks like a uh it doesn't have much shape, but then as you as you each show, you'll punch it into shape, you pull off a part, you stuck another one on, put this over here, and then eventually you get it where you put it out there, and you're like, oh, it's it's it's now it's in a good shape. That takes so many times, that takes so much work. And then and then you know, I would hope that people would appreciate it, but like the way the audience is now, it's hit or miss, it's hit or miss. These crowds are hit or miss. They either like they they like love a crafted joke, or they're just like, This is where's the crowd work guy? Is someone gonna hump a stool? What is going on?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:18

I need somebody to scream and yell at me and pull me on stage.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:22

If I have to hear about someone's balls again, no dick jokes.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:27

This guy doesn't have dick jokes.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:29

And I can appreciate a dick joke, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:31

But when a well-crafted dick joke, I appreciate a well-crafted dick joke as well. They're very rare. But like, you know, if you got one, like make it good. Make it be original. That's a thing I strive for. I got people, I don't understand why you don't want to be original. Like you get on stage and you talk about dating, and then you go watch other comedy shows, and everybody's talking about dating, and at no point are you gonna stop talking about a fucking dating app that nothing registers in your brain? Like maybe this is overplayed or overdone. Like, people don't, I don't think these comics give a fuck, man. And that's what and and I don't think that's that's like just that just bothers me so much, man. It it it does, I shouldn't let it bother me. I shouldn't. But I care so much about the craft, I care about it so much, and I want to see the best, I want it to be the best it can be, but it's just so fucking watered down lately, I feel like it's just so I I wrote this, I wrote a post on social media a couple days ago. I said that the comic the stand-up comedy that's that's the most popular right now is so mid that it makes regular citizens think they should try it. And a bunch of my comics were like, amen, dude. Like this is what I've been thinking about it lately. It makes me sad because I love the I love the reasons I got into it. I love it, and I still that's what still motivates me is those reasons to write a good joke from from A to B to C to have a middle, beginning, middle, and end, and and have it be thoughtful and and and make the whole thing funny, you know. You know, you work on a bit and you're like, all right, the middle's funny, the end's funny. How do I make the setup funny? Like I give a shit, man. I give a shit about these things. Or spend so much time doing crappy shows and I and and sitting at coffee shops and writing and rewriting and listening to my listening to sets over and over again, listening again, listening again. I do a show and I'm already listening to the set on the drive home, like what I do, oh what okay, it worked, okay. I gotta fuck that. That needs to change. Yeah. Next day wake up. First, I'm I'm listening again in my bedroom. Oh my god, you know, that's how crazy I am about bits and how much I want to try and and and make my bits, you know, presentable.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:43

But I don't think the average person or the average audience person understands the amount of work that goes into a 30-second, 60-second, two-minute, you know, stand-up joke. I I don't think so. And I think that that's I don't know, it's kind of the the issue here, but kind of not. I mean I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:09

It could also be your attention span.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:11

Sure. Right, but uh I don't I mean if you have a person on stage with the with a light and you're in complete darkness, you should be able to pay attention to that.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:27

Now our attention span is like what can I see instantly that's gonna grab my attention? And if somebody needs to put some brain into understanding they're not going to want to watch that, they want to watch the person, hey, where are you from? You know, how long have you been together? Like that because now they're like, okay, I'm awake in case I need to be called on, I need to, and again, there's no shade on that. Like, like it's fun, it's really fun. But I think that kind of what you're saying, like with your jokes, that sometimes people have to think about them. Like, he'll tell me a joke sometimes, and then I'm like, okay, I understood it. But is somebody gonna, you know, like is everybody gonna understand it?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:14

And then there has to be like I think there has to be a middle ground to you're you're hitting on something that's affects me in what I'm trying to do because my jokes are very long. I don't write short jokes. I take a subject and I beat the shit out of it, and I fuck it every way till Tuesday and try and squeeze every laugh I can get out of it, whatever it might be. So my jokes are seven, eight minute long, one bit. Five, most of them at least. So the attention span it requires is I'm asking a lot. I understand. I'm not for everybody. I'm asking a lot of people, I'm I'm asking a lot from people to like really buckle up and and commit. And it's a gen and the younger generations are a tough sell with that because they're you know, they grow up on TikTok and they're just like a laugh a minute, a second, a laugh every five seconds. And then they really love this shocking humor, but I which I don't do, I do this thoughtful right stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:16

And I think a whole other subject.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:19

It's a whole other subject, but yeah, but I think it um it created a situation where um it's what makes I think roast battles popular.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:27

Because roast battles are these quick hits love that even then, those sometimes you'll watch some of those or you'll go see some of those, and they're not jokes, they're just complete 100% complete insults to the other person. Oh no, no, no joke, no premise, no cleverness, nothing, just a complete insult, not funny, just oh my god, why would you say that?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:57

To me, it looks like yeah, to me, it looks like that, and it's you know, it's mean spirited, and I don't do them. Right. I don't do them, but I can see the appeal. If you're if you're not one to like follow along with some joke that has setups and punch lines, and you just want a quick I grew up on TikTok. What's funny to me is the guy that you know punches the dwarf in the face, you know, and I mean these are the kind of videos that they you know, like a roast battle's perfect, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:24

It's just like shocking, bam.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:28

But I can enjoy a punch to the dwarf in the face, but is is there a there has to be a joke to it. Yeah, right. But you're a sophisticated fellow. I mean, I talk about morale, I'm asking for morality.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like you, you, you're like you're a smart guy.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:47

Like, I don't, you know. I I I can see like I can see why Rose battles appeal to like a younger generation of quick that wants a quick shocking hit. Because that's what a lot of um social media gives you these days is a quick shocking hit, right? These prank videos are pretty shocking, quick hits. They they they are humiliating somebody, hurting somebody's a lot of times too. This is what this is what some people want. It's another it's another niche. Um my concern has always been is that entire generations like skew skew to that level where they want the short, they don't have the attention span. They want they would rather have some shocking stuff that's shorter. I don't do either of those things. I'm not shocking at all. And uh, you know, and I don't I don't got short and I really don't do short bits, although I have some that I've had to create for certain moments, but um yeah, I don't it's just something I I don't do, and I see a lot of like I'm like, oh alright, yeah, I know that's what they probably like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:46

Who did you grow up watching? Uh you know, uh stand-up. As a kid? Yeah, as a kid.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:52

Oh, um as a kid I I watched um Eddie Murphy and Bill Cosby and uh then Chris Rock. Um those were the and then I discovered um George Carlin eventually I just fell into a George Carlin hole for a while. But uh yeah. Um I remember being but but as a child, my my stepdad, somebody had a VHS tape of Bill Cosby himself, and so I watched that's not really stand-up though. It's like more he's like a story, it's like storytelling. He's like sit down and tell stories in such a funny way. The way he crafted it was brilliant because it's so hard to like it's so hard to tell a story and get laughs all throughout the story. Like, you know, it's easy to tell, you know, your normal person on a street can tell you a story that gets a big laugh at the end. But to be able to I think the mark of a pro is can I find a way to get laughs throughout the whole story? Me giving the details that you need to understand and the facts that you need to understand to get the big laugh at the end. Can I get can I make the all those funny too as we go along? Each character I introduce into the story, can I find a way to make them make that funny and get a laugh as I go along to the big laugh at the end? So I mean I was blown away by that by that that power that he had to tell stories. And then, you know, of course, that's a that's a super difficult way to do it. I can't r I can't really do what he does even today, really. It's uh you know, I think that's you know, but then seeing Eddie Murphy was like straight, more stand-up style. And Chris Rock, of course, was you know, and then I was on I was on my way. But I didn't I didn't think I would be a comedian. I didn't think I wanted to be a musician. Oh really? Yeah, yeah. And I was. What did you play? I I sang and played guitar. Did you really? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:49

What what kind of what kind of genre of music?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:52

It was it was strictly uh cover bands.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:55

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:55

Yeah. Like what kind of cover bands? So we I did So you had a band? I had I was in a few bands. Okay. Yeah. Uh the majority of them were general cover bands. Um maybe you could um you could slap a a decade on them. Like I was in an 80s cover band, I did a 90s cover band, um uh a classic rock cover band. I did a funk cover band. Um and then I did a a tribute, I was in a tribute band for the Chili Peppers. So we were I was in a Chili Peppers tribute band for Ember likes Chili Peppers. Yeah, I was in a tribute a Chili Peppers cover band called uh Pepper Spray. And uh yeah, that was in New York City. I was in that band for like f three or four years, and uh, we did a lot of bar shows and yeah, it was a lot of fun. Well, but yeah, I was and I sang in that only sang in that band.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:46

Um so musician, yeah, stand-up comedian, and now podcasting.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:53

Yeah, I've been podcasting now, but I've been podcasting a long time. Yeah, I've been podcasting since like 2017.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:01

Oh, yeah, it's in bio.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:03

I got um over two 2300 episodes of my podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:07

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:08

Crazy, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:09

Whoa, yeah. We're barely gonna hit 300. You get 300 is a lot. That's a lot.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:15

Yeah, that's good. It's about over five years. A lot of my comedian friends, man, they can't get to a hundred, bro. They they give up after 25 and they and they don't see the numbers and they don't see the money. I don't know what they thought was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:28

Yeah, well, honestly, that that's what you think, right? When you first start something, you're just like, oh yeah, I'm gonna be a big hit. They're gonna, I'm gonna get discovered. Yeah. Uh, you know, Spotify's gonna give me that deal in a year. I'll keep going. Yeah, that's right. That's what's driving that whole industry.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:42

Yeah. Everybody thinks that because it looks so easy, right? And and the equip the the the cost for the barrier to entry is low. You know, you can get some equipment.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:51

Well, yeah, everything's now everything's accessible. I I don't know. I haven't looked at the percentages now, but back in like 2020, they were like really high of like people starting them, but to go like what you said, like they don't pass that year mark or that at least 50. I think the the ratio was like a year or 50 episodes. They didn't get past that, and then they completely stopped.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:19

You have 300. That's a lot of episodes.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:22

That's a that's a good chunk of episodes. Well, this is yeah, we're at the 290s around now. So I've guessed it 300.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:29

I've been a guest on probably maybe 80 podcasts.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:35

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:36

And I don't think any of them have maybe you could count on my hand how many you have 300 episodes or more. It's like pretty rare. I think it's pretty rare. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:48

The the I don't even think I told you this, Amber. I probably sure you don't remember, but early on, I think it was like the first year of me starting the podcast. Uh I reached out to you like a very long time. I think it was like within the first year of the podcast. Um we I think we were we're deciding on on dates for you to this was this was back when I was barely doing it on, you know, Zoom or Riverside FM, you know, over online remotely. Yeah, yeah. During COVID. It was during COVID. Yeah. Yeah. And I I found you online and I followed you for I've been following you for for a lot of years. And uh and I was just like it blew my mind because I'm just like it's been it's been a lot long time when you're you're here doing the podcast. Yeah, you don't have to have a blown mind because of that though. No, it's just it's it just I'm like you know, I'm just me. It's like I'm no I I understand that, but I'm on I'm kind of a nobody, yeah, in a way. No, you're not. It's it's uh it's just a weird thing. It's a weird experience. It's just a weird experience. You're saying it's a little psychedelic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it is, it isn't around, yeah. No, I'm just saying it's it's uh it's uh it's a whole thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:09

Well, you know, one of the things I've done this before, I don't know if I did it to you. When uh someone who has a new podcast would ask me to be on it, uh huh. I would say um ask me in five years.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:20

I would say when you're close to 300 episodes, talk to me about 300.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:31

I'm a 300 baseline podcast.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:35

All right, unbelievable.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:42

No, I what I would do because like um so many people would start a podcast and quit. And so I I wanted to find a way to like avoid those. Like I wanted to only be on podcasts with people because I had done some podcasts with people who I could tell weren't serious, and the episodes were lame, and everything about it was improper from a professional standpoint. So then I was like, how do I narrow this down to like just doing um you know, uh people that are have gonna have a mainstay, they're gonna actually the podcast is gonna be around. So I started saying, Hey, uh, you know, how about I do your second season?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:18

Oh, okay. Something like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:20

Um, if they were doing seasons, or I'll be like, hey, let me hit me up in a few months. Um I'm I'd I'd make up a stuff, like I'm really tied up for the next four months. So like talk to me in June. Don't give away your stories.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:31

I'm giving it away.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:32

You're never giving it away here. Yeah, I don't I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:35

There would be someone at their house like, oh, like, oh man.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:39

Listening to this, like open up your podcast app, bro. When's the last time you've hit publish the publish button? Yeah, it's been a while, right? That's why I'm not on your show.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:47

But but that's you know, something I had to separate, I had to figure something out. That's okay because I think you're giving not only like I don't want to use the word respect, but you are kind of respecting yourself, you're respecting your craft, and you're respecting your time.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:02

I was respecting my time, yeah. That's what it was about mostly.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:05

Wrong with that because why? Because we get to pick and choose what we want and where we want our energy to go. And I think there's nothing wrong with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:16

And it's just got too easy to do these.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:18

People just true, yeah. People got people start, there's way too many podcasts, right? People just doing them, and what are they? They have no direction, they have no format. They're just like, hey, me and my buddy Todd are gonna talk about our week and just like let's just hope something magical happens. Be like, you're not even gonna have a guest. Nope, we're just gonna talk each week, and like we think the people want to hear this shit. Because, you know, opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one. And then, you know, we live in such a we live in the world now where the younger generations their parents allowed their ego to get a little big, so they think their opinions are worth slightly more than anybody else's because mommy and daddy didn't push it down the drain, which is where the opinion needed to go many times, and just let the fucking opinion fester like bacteria and grow on them like some moss, right? And have some some black fungus, and now they got this that now they think their opinions are something, and that they need to hit the record button, and that's all it's gonna take for the world to just embrace them, and then they're gonna be making all that Spotify money, blah blah blah. So I had to separate those people somehow, and so that was what I came up with. Nice, and uh so I didn't mean to do it to you.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:32

No, no, that's not what I was doing.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:34

I didn't even know if I did it to you though.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:35

It's like he brought you here five years later.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:38

It was more like it was more like I I would do people would ask me like if they had I looked at their page, they had two episodes or four episodes, and I would be like, all right.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:45

I don't know, I don't know how much I was in then, but I mean I I'd rather have and then that that's another thing. There's there's times where I've had guests where I wish I would have had them later on. You know what I mean? Like when you were a better interviewer, better interviewer, I had a better presence uh on the podcast, or even just better equipment. Yeah, I had this one guy named Dave, I think David Weiss, Dave Weiss, he's a flat earth guy. Dave Weiss, the flat earth guy. Yeah, he he was a flat earther, and I had him where does he live? He I think East Coast. Oh, East Coast, yeah. Oh, alright.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:30

So did you slap him in the face?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:31

No, it was it was it was through Zoom, but that was like one of like Did you tell him that in order for the Zoom to work, there had to be a satellite? Should have asked, I should have told him that.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:42

You should have been like your whole theory is debunked by the fact that we're now speaking. We're doing it, really. You fucking mora. This reminded you remind me of something I spoke about this morning. This was good, this is a little off topic, but tell me what you think about it. Some uh one Of my podcast listeners, because my my podcast is weird and my fans know I like weird stuff, so someone sent me a um a link to uh it was a video uh for uh showing a Sasquatch theme park that's somewhere in this country, right? Isn't that now I don't believe in Sasquatch, I think it's ridiculous, but how fun is a Sasquatch theme park? And then I wrote back, I wrote to him, like, oh man, you could you could do a theme park for all these crazy conspiracy theories. You could do a theme park for I go, you could do a theme park for flat earthers. And then he wrote a bunch of funny, he had a bunch of funny suggestions of what you could have at the flat earth park, but I thought that was like really, really funny. There's a there's a there's something there because people think people love to take the piss out of that. You know what I mean? Yeah, people think that's a gag, right? Who doesn't want to go to the whether you belie believe in Sasquatch or Bigfoot or not, you're gonna go to I don't believe I would go. Yeah, I would fucking go. I don't I'm I'm not a big alien guy. I would go to Area 51. I think that's like the that area if I'm through if I'm going through there, I would stop at the alien, it's called like the alien cafe, whatever it is. I take photos, I think all that's fun. It's a fun, it's fun. Flat earth theme park. I would totally geek out about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:13

I would even go to like a flat earth themed like pancake. So a pancake house. That's kind of perfect, right? Right?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:22

Yeah, it's kind of perfect.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:25

Where everything's flat?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:26

Yeah, yeah. There's nothing's round in the city.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:30

What you want to avoid is the strip club.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:31

I was gonna say I'm like so you kind of have a butt or it's all flat. Get it, guys!

SPEAKER_03 1:29:38

It's the flat, every all the girls are flat. That's my frat boy humor coming through. There's a little bit of that in there still. I gotta get I gotta squeeze that out. But yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:49

I don't my stand-up comedy is not that. I'll just letting I'll just let you know. Yeah, yeah. So I thought flat earth theme park. You could do all kinds of things.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:56

That'd be great.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:57

Slender Man theme park, you could do you can go, you can go buck wild, man. I mean, people these are all these things are Chupacabra Chupacabra theme park. Fuck man, they're doing you know, they do superhero. Look when Halloween comes, they do the themed mazes. You could do Sasquatch theme maze.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:16

Oh my god, that'd be terrifying.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:18

Great, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:20

All the actors have to dress up like Sasquatch. And eventually be like, oh yeah, another Sasquatch. Oh, another one.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:25

Can I get something other than Sasquatch? How about a how about a bat?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:31

Sasquatch is just Bigfoot, right? It's Bigfoot, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:35

Or so they there's other terms for it. Sasquatch and Yeti. I believe I thought Yeti was I think Yeti is the snow version. Yeah, there's a snowy version of it. Yeah, there's um you know, I don't I don't believe in any of that. That that stuff I think is like that's like an intelligence test. Like if you believe in Sasquatch, like you're failing the test, bro. Like, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:57

You think so? You don't think that there's there's no Bigfoot up there? No, not at all. No, of course not. No. I don't know if I do or if I don't. I'm like 50-50.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:06

There's if there was Bigfoot, it would one of them would have been hit by a car by now, and we'd have it. We don't have it. We have what do we have? No one even gets a clear photo with these goddamn campaigns.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:14

Yeah, and then they make it seem like they leave in like rural America where there's still people like there's nothing it's not like they're like, oh, they're on another island that no one can go to. It's like they live amongst us.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:25

Do you know, like uh in the past like five years or so, there's been an explosion of uh these hunting cameras, like these cameras because the price of cameras has come down, right? So you can get a camera for nothing. So now hunters have they have their property, and this happens in rural America. There's so many cameras now, there's more cameras in the woods than there's ever been, and still, you know what they pick up on these cameras? Every animal in the book, they're not getting Sasquatch. We would have gotten one by now. We would have gotten one.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:56

We gotta get all the royal hunters, uh those ray bands, those metaglasses. Yeah, why not? Right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:04

I still don't think they're gonna catch anything, but like that would, you know, that's something that needs to be added.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:08

Look, if your IQ is very low and you're a hunter and you live in the northeast, uh what where is it? The Pacific's PNW? Whatever. Pacific Northwest. Yeah, yeah, that. Okay, maybe, maybe give me the glasses.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:22

Maybe you need the glasses. I need the glasses.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:25

Although low IQ, low IQ people get glasses.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:28

This is why you believe in Sasquatch.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:30

This is why half, half. You have only half believe? Half believe. I think I'm just I I like the idea. I love the thing. It's a fun idea, Shah. I love the idea. Sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:41

And the theme park would be so fun, right? It would be so fun. It would be so fun. I mean, we love Chewbacca, right? Like we love, you know. Um, but I mean, we have to be started on Star Wars. But we have to be adults, man. We have to be adults. You have to be. This is an intelligence test, like I said earlier. This is an intelligence test. The people that are believing in Sasquatch are the people that are voting in ways that make you uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:03

I agree. Facts. Facts.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:06

You don't want to be part of you want to be those people? You don't want to be, you don't want to be those people.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:10

You don't want to be those people, bro. You don't want to be those people. Those people are buying ammunition out of a vending machine in a grocery store right now. I think you don't want to be those people.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:19

I don't think he like I'm all speaking for him because I'm embarrassed. Like, uh, he's not low IQ. Of course he's not. No, I just like fun things. No, I you do. He's it's fun. Because he he falls asleep. He falls asleep to like um like morbid facts or yeah, I like that stuff too. But like all the like, you know, the creepy stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:40

And I think it's just it's one of those things that like you don't have to really think. It's entertaining. No, but you don't have to think as like you don't need your brain to think too much on it, it's just more entertainment and it's like something fun. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:54

I think that's where it should remain. Yeah, and I think people that don't when it jumps out of that realm and starts infiltrating your own personal ideology, you know, and now you're you you know you're a flat earther and now you raise a bunch of flat earther kids, you know, you because you download your flat earth stupidity onto their hard drive, this is when we have a problem. Yeah, and a lot of that we we live in a country where too many people are doing that, and it's very sad. And this is why we have a president that's a fucking moron. It's because people like that. You know, we have too many people like that is the problem. Do you know the rest of the world isn't this dumb and they laugh at us? And I know that because not only do I travel, but I'm on Reddit.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:40

You are correct. When I travel, the times that I've traveled outside of the country, like, no, I mean, I'm whoever listens to this probably be like, Well, get out of here. But uh it's just easier for me to say, like, when people are like, Oh, where are you from? I I when I first started traveling, I would be like, Oh yeah, I'm from you know Los Angeles, and then Los Angeles works, right? They're like, Oh, yeah, certain cities they get it, they're like, Cool, but if I said like, oh, they were like, Oh, America, and I was like, Yeah, yeah, don't say it was like no, so then I I did that once, and it was like, Oh, I seen that it was, and then after I was like, Oh, I'm Mexican. Like, I would just say, Oh, I'm Mexican. Yeah, you're Mexican, oh Mexico, like, you know, like and I said, Oh, but I live in Los Angeles, and then it's like even cooler, you know, and it's and that's when I learned I was like, Yeah, everybody hates us and thinks we're dumb.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:27

Like, yeah, I got in a lot of trouble when I was traveling, they say, Where you're from, and I'd go, Gavin Newsomland.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:36

They didn't like that at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:39

Gavin Newsomland!

SPEAKER_00 1:35:44

That's funny.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:45

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yo, you say LA, I think you can get away with it. When I lived in New York, you say New York. Yeah, most a lot of people have been that you meet in the world, they've like been to LA or they've been to New York. Like when they come here, they're going to there's only two places. Yeah, they're only going to two places. Let's be real, there's two cool places. It's here and it's New York. And that's all, you know what I mean. So they get like, oh, cool. You're not like those other Americans. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:06

Maybe Vegas, maybe Area 51.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:08

And then I and then I go, oh, come on, hold my beer. I gotta take a picture of these chemtrails. Yes. What were you saying about?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:18

Who is it? I think it's uh Bill Hicks who has that that um that bit about why aliens always go see like the dumbest people. The dumbest people in the rural areas.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:28

Yeah, yeah. It's great bit. Yeah, it's a great, great bit. So you know what?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:32

As uh as a well, before we we wrap it up, I just want to say, because I want to say it earlier, but as uh Angelino, because I was we're I was born and raised here. Um legit Angelino right here, authentic, genuine all the way.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:46

So is he legit Angelino, authentic, genuine all the way, and I think Go do yours.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:51

Yeah. But I I really like when like like you that you're so excited to be here and you love it here and you you embrace it and you're like, you know, and to me that's it that feels good because I hate I know that a lot of people see like LA and they're like, oh, it's fake, oh it's this, and oh, you know, it's such a dark place to be in, and it's all this and all these negative things, but at the end of the day, it's like it's not, it's just you're not giving the chance to really let you know the city or the state like embrace you. And and I think to hear that from you like earlier when you were talking about it, I was like, Oh, that feels good, like that's nice.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:29

I'm glad, I'm glad that you felt good about that. I and that's genuine. I like I I really no of course we could make a laundry list of all the the bad things that yeah are going on in the city all the time, and now we got a mayoral race, and in the midst of that, a lot of bullshit's coming out too. I'm learning things that these people have done that I didn't need to know. Uh but like in this country, like, where are you gonna go? Every city has something, right? Every city has things about it that you're gonna find distasteful. You have to like it's like a buffet, right? And you pick the things that you're like, I want to eat this. Yeah, this is the this is the kind of plate I want. This is a certain lifestyle here. This is the lifestyle I want. This lifestyle fits me very well. And so for me, it's not for everybody. You know, my my family couldn't, you know, my my you know, my brother and my parents, they live back east.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:25

They could never they're still back there.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:27

Yeah, yeah. They never they this is like an alien land to them. They wouldn't understand it. What? They can't even understand a highway that has like eight lanes. That that doesn't even register. They're just like How people can't, you know, the same for everybody.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:43

I don't know. Yeah. This year I want to go to I want to go to New York this year. Yeah, you have you been? No. Oh, you've never been in a blow your mind.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:50

Yeah. Yeah, it'll blow your mind. But you've been to Tokyo, right? I've been to Tokyo. So it's not gonna blow your mind as much as much as as it blows the average American's mind. Yeah. Really? No, it'll be correct.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:01

New York first, then Tokyo.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:03

But my mind can be blown like easily. I'm very appreciative of where I go.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:10

But once you've gone to Tokyo, man, I'm like, that's such a I think I just uh that place is so much different than anything else. I you know, it's just hard to top that. Yeah, I think for Metropolis.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:23

I didn't really grasp Tokyo while I was there, like mentally, right? I was just like, okay, I'm in Japan, I'm in another it just blew my mind I'm in another country. Like I could have been somewhere else. Oh, okay, right? But I think because I I've been wanting to go to New York for a very long time since I was a kid, and I grew up a Yankee fan as a kid. SNL was a big part of my life growing up. I think that just going there and being in all that.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:54

Yeah, this would bring an extra layer of like appreciation for you because you have a personal connection already to it that you didn't probably didn't have in Tokyo. Although I heard you're really into hentai.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:11

You know what hentai is? Uh isn't that the like porn? It's like anime porn.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:17

He's like, I'm like, huh?

SPEAKER_05 1:40:19

I was dropping a joke in there. Maybe my comedy's not for this guy.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:25

He believes in Sasquatch.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:26

I think uh so yeah, you'll you'll you're yeah, New York City is like start your set off incredible.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:32

Does anybody does anybody believe in Sasquatch? Before I even start. Does anybody okay? Yeah, you get the fuck out. This is uh please leave.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:43

Earmuffs for you guys. Yeah. Earmuffs for you guys. Like these jokes are not for you.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:49

That's funny.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:50

We should all, we should, we should uh let's have it, let's do it. The people that are listening, we're gonna do a GoFundMe for all three of us to go to Sasquatch theme party. So don't you want us to experience this? Don't you want us to have a good time? Maybe make a believer out of me, because I'm a skeptic. So you you're donate $500 for every $500, I'll send you a dick pic. Go shoot.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:17

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:18

It might not be mine, but I'll send you a dick pic.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:23

We're gonna get this money. We probably only need like four grand and we can all go to Sasquatch theme park.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:28

We're gonna clip this. I want to go to Sasquatch theme park.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:32

Fuck yeah, man. It might only be a pop-up. Right? Because it's so it's so niche. It might be a pop-up. I'll look into it though. I'll send you the video that you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll send you the video. And then, but I think Flat Earth theme park could be a the bomb as well. Yeah. The Exorcist theme park. Like, we could go, you could do this stuff, man, and I think people would eat it up.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:51

Wait, you don't believe in the exorcist?

SPEAKER_05 1:41:52

No, I kind of believe in that. Uh-huh. Yeah, I kind of that I believe something's going on there.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:57

Only because Well There's been so many, like even like um very um so when indigenous cultures and primitive cultures that have a shaman and shit, when they believe in this stuff. Oh yeah, like there's something that that starts to get me, oh yeah, okay, maybe there's something here because they believe in that stuff. They believe that someone can be sickened from a spirit. It could be a health thing, it could be a mental thing, and they um you know, in South America they have uh they have a a routine or a regimen to rid people of these specific bad spirits. You know, some of them do like the have an ayahuasca ceremony with the shaman, and but there's many, many different cultures down there that have an approach with the shaman for these spiritual illnesses. And I I think there's something going on there. I just don't think the Catholic Church is handling it correctly. Because I'm not sure this is something that you're talking about a spirit, you think the spirit gives a fuck about Jesus? That's true. You think the spirit's like, oh, oh, a little water, you know what I mean? But the the shamans are going deeper than Jesus and holy water. The shamans, the shamans take the medicine and the shamans journey into the spirit world. That's the way they describe it. They go into the spirit world and confront spirits face to face in a spirit world. They don't splash some water on you and read out of a book. Like that doesn't make any sense. That's like that's a terrestrial earth approach that is not going deep enough. But going into that spirit world, that's why I believe there's something there. But when you see the when you when you hear about exorcists, I I don't think the Catholic Church is has a grasp of what's really going on. They just call it the devil. It's the the it's the devil, it's Satan, you know. You're you know, it's way more complex than that. And it's gonna take more than some read some lines from a book, words in English to you know, get a to to f to help somebody who's suffering from a spiritual uh malady, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:44:00

Yeah. That's just my opinion. But also I I think too, yeah, I know we have to go because before we get locked down here. But it got so interesting. I know, I know. Uh but but also too, the ancient there's some ancient cultures that also too had a de like a deity or some type of creature that was described similar to Sasquatch and the big fan.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:25

Oh, oh, oh, I see what you're doing. You're you're you're so you say you're saying that um there's a history of Sasquatch in some of these cultures in their mythology. Yes, yeah, a hairy man that flies a space vehicle and goes, it could be this guy. Well, I I I mean, maybe. This could this this could be. This could be.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:48

I I think Well, I think a Wookie is different than Bigfoot. Yeah, I agree. I was just trying to be silly and stupid.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:54

I wanted to do that, I was gonna do it earlier. My problem is like we're talking about this is like Are you into Star Wars, by the way? Not so much. I mean, I I watched the the movies when I was a kid and I loved the first three and then I I tried to watch the others. I'm so you're gonna think I'm so lame, but actually No, no. I I like watched some of the I don't like I just wasn't I wasn't into it.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:16

Yeah, if you're a uh I I read too. If you're a uh if you grew up with the original trilogy, you that you watch the new ones, and you're just like the fuck is that if they if the new ones had been pushed on me earlier, I think, if they had just if they had been there ten years earlier, but my taste had changed over everything.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:37

Yeah, you know, I started getting into horror movies, right? I I really went crazy with horror movies and and and I was like, I'm not into the space stuff anymore, the sci-fi stuff. Although I do like I do like sci-fi horror, you know, I do like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:54

But um like uh see look at Jonesy knew who was on my shirt.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:59

Oh yeah, I knew immediately, and I I I like I would wear that, I would totally rock that. I'm a huge David Lynch fan though. I'm a big I'm really into David.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:06

Yeah, but it's it's pretty niche.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:08

I went to a family party and everybody was they weren't capping on me. They're like naming all these different people that it could be. JFK?

SPEAKER_00 1:46:19

No. They what is somebody told you?

SPEAKER_01 1:46:22

Einstein? Chef uh Gordon Ramsey. So I thought you were gonna say Chef Boyardy? Yeah, yeah. No, Gordon Ramsay and Gordon Ramsey, because another another chef too, the the chef with the spiky hair that uh what's his name? Anthony Bourdain.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:35

Anthony Bourdain was gonna produce no, but um the one that uh committed suicide, uh Anthony Bourdain committed suicide. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:43

So he drug overdose, right? Was it a but it was over a girl?

SPEAKER_00 1:46:46

Yeah, but there was uh Anne Emberell.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:48

Amberell. Oh, I don't know who that is. She's another chef. That so they thought that was a woman.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:54

Well, they thought it was all three of them.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:56

If somebody had different like they have oh, such a shame. I was like, this is because this is like I thought it was all cool walking to the party. Oh my god, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:05

I would have thought you were the coolest guy there with the David Lynch thing. Exactly. That's what I was saying. David Lynch was the coolest, the coolest. He's red. I'm totally rad. I'm so into David Lynch. I love David Village.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:18

Blue Velvet, Maholland Drive, oh my god, Dune.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:21

Yeah, but you went into the run where first generation. We don't know who that is. They don't know who that is.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:28

But no one, like you you have to like if you're not if you've never seen Blue Velvet, like Blue Velvet is a must-watch. You have to watch Blue Velvet in your life. It's a must-watch movie. Like it's in a hundred movies that you have to watch in life, like blue velvet is on that movie, is on that list.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:42

Yeah, but like my uncles got here when they were like yeah 17 years old, and they worked, you know, more than half of the day. I'm pretty sure they didn't watch blue velvet. Yeah, they probably didn't watch blue velvet. He was in the wrong party. That's that's always yeah, you know, you can't blame them.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:58

But his interviews, he's got all kinds of interviews on YouTube. I've watched a shit ton of that. He was he, you know, um, I got into um transcendental meditation because of him. Uh you know, mostly Jerry Seinfeld, but also he was a contributing factor because he's got a lot of speeches about it on there. He was he kind of he was one of the faces of the Transcendental Meditation Society here in LA or whatever. Um so yeah, he was like a kind of a one of the faces of the organization. So yeah, yeah. No, he is I mean when David Lynch died, that's the one that's died in the past two years that I like I really mourned. Like I honestly mourned. That one sucked. That one totally sucked. And I watched his movies for uh three to three to five days in a row. I watched David Lynch movies, Girl I'm Dating. I made her watch these David Lynch when it's not really her cup of tea, but I made her. Although she did like Mulholland Drive, she did like that. That one's crazy. Have you watched that one?

SPEAKER_01 1:48:52

She loved it. Yeah, have you watched Mul Holland Drive?

SPEAKER_00 1:48:54

I don't think so. We gotta watch it.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:56

We're watching it tonight. Yeah, you should watch it. Yeah, so uh next time you come on, if I want to have you again, dude. We gotta talk, we gotta talk movies. We got there's so much other shit we gotta talk about.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:06

I feel like we're ending in it, like we could we could go another two hours. No, absolutely. So yeah, I would love to come back.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:11

Heck yeah. Uh please tell us uh where we can find you if you got stuff coming up. Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:17

I would love it if I'd love if people checked out my podcast, which is called Weird AF News, and it's available on all podcast players. I do weird news five days a week, and on Friday it's only weird news from Florida. It's a Florida Friday. But I'm doing five day a week weird news. It's all current weird news that's going on in the world, and it's I I make it funny. I try to make it funny, and I, you know, and I I make commentary on culture while I'm doing it. And um, so I would love if people check that out. It's available on all podcast players or go to weirdafnews.com. Also, if you'd like to see me do stand up, my Instagram is at Funny Jones. You can just follow me at Funny Jones on Instagram. I got clips up there, and um so uh love to love to have uh people come out and see me do stand up if I'm in uh your city. I'm going to Nashville in the middle of June. That's really the only trip I have planned right now. June uh what is it, 11th through the the 13th, 14th, something like that? Nashville. But all that information is on my Instagram at Funny Jones.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:14

Yes! Dude, this was fun. I'm so glad that that we finally Yeah did this, man. Appreciate it. Thanks for the beer. Yeah, you got it. Uh anything else, Amber? You got something? What do you got going on? Nothing. What's up? You going to Nashville? Um You're watching Mahole and Drive.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:32

Yeah, you're gonna watch Mahole and Drive.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:34

It's dope. I'm actually doing this uh There's some uh there's some girl on girl action in there. Yeah, you yeah, that's right. Yeah, you're gonna enjoy that. It's just it's such a weird, it's just yeah, you figure out what's going on.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:46

Yeah, I had to watch it like three times in a row to figure it out. This you know, this portions of blue velvet where I try to figure out what's going on, but it basically does run like it's like a it's like a film noir murder mystery at some point, like you so you get those kind of vibes where you're like, oh, this kid this guy's trying to find out what's going on. I fell in. Mulholland drive is very much Blue Velvet.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:07

I fell in love with Roy Orbison again.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:10

Oh, it's just his it's a lot of his music in there, right? Yes, yeah, yeah. In Dreams, I remember that. Oh my god. That whole scene when he's singing in dreams into that Oh my god, that guy, and he put the he had the lipstick on the line. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:27

Dreams I walk with you.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:28

Oh my god. That whole scene with my favorite part about that movie.