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JJ Jorgenson and Tonio are stand up comedians and host the Listen Up and No One Get Hurts Podcast. JJ Jorgenson is a lawyer and Tonio is a Felon. They discuss crimes and comedy with a special guest every week. Check out their stuff here
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Let's go. What is up, Mind Buzz Universe? Welcome back to another podcast episode of The Mind Buzz. I am Gil, your host, and working the board tonight. We're back. She's back. I'm back. We're back with the podcast. It's been a couple of weeks, but we're here. We're back. We're not live, but we're alive. Welcome back. This is Amber. What's going on?
SPEAKER_01Hey. I'm excited. I sound really hoarse, huh? I sound like a man. Do I sound like a man?
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_03That's why I didn't wear the headphones.
SPEAKER_04No, you're fine. You don't sound like a uh even if you did sound like a man, you sound like a beautiful man.
SPEAKER_01Oh, thank you.
SPEAKER_04Uh beautiful chocolate man.
SPEAKER_01Gentleman. A gentle man.
SPEAKER_04If you will.
SPEAKER_01No, I was uh I was screaming on Tuesday for a Mexico game.
SPEAKER_04Let's go.
SPEAKER_01That was fun.
SPEAKER_04I'm kind of scared though. I'm kind of scared those Europeans do know how to kick a soccer ball.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but Mexican's gonna be a good one.
SPEAKER_04That's all I gotta say.
SPEAKER_01Hey, we haven't lost a game. Knock on wood. Knock on wood.
SPEAKER_04Knock on your head.
SPEAKER_01And uh no goals have been um put through us.
SPEAKER_02So maybe, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know soccer lingo. I just know soccer when it comes around uh every four years. That's it.
SPEAKER_04The soccer fanatic, Amber, ladies and gentlemen. No, no. Uh we're back. It's it feels like it's been a couple of weeks, but we're back uh on the podcast uh with everybody. Uh there's so much has uh gone and going on in this beautiful world and the world of us. Uh but we'll we will talk about it throughout the podcast.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04All right.
SPEAKER_01Nothing life-changing, don't be scared. Yeah, nothing.
SPEAKER_04It sounded like uh Did it really?
SPEAKER_02I don't know why that's how I felt.
SPEAKER_01We're getting a divorce. Uh I'm shaving my head. No, I'm just kidding. To shaving my head.
SPEAKER_02I'm just kidding.
SPEAKER_04I feel like somebody recently just shaved their head. No?
SPEAKER_01I don't know. When summer comes, I feel like shaving my head sometimes.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, me too.
SPEAKER_01I want to see what the shape of my head looks like.
SPEAKER_04That's it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's it. And then I want it to grow back.
SPEAKER_04We could do that with AI.
SPEAKER_01No, but it's not the same.
SPEAKER_04No?
SPEAKER_01I want to know if I could pull off a bald head.
SPEAKER_04I think you can. If I can, you can.
SPEAKER_01Well, you couldn't, so no?
SPEAKER_04No. You didn't think so?
SPEAKER_02Oh, I was so mad when you showed up to the house.
SPEAKER_04Ladies and gentlemen, I was in uh the Joe Rogan period of my life, listened to a lot of Rogan, and uh wanted to shave my head. I wanted to see what I looked like on the podcast.
SPEAKER_01You literally showed up to my house to not tell me that you shaved your beautiful hair off, and then he comes to pick me up for a date, and I opened the door and I like slammed it back, and then he's like, What? And I was like, Your head looks like a penis, and I was mad the entire day.
SPEAKER_04But it's a beautiful penis, ladies and gentlemen. Um I'm excited to talk to these uh new uh these uh two new guests of the podcast. Yeah, uh they themselves run a podcast uh called uh listen. No one gets hurt. I'm you guys just told me. I'm on drugs. What's your excuse? I'm no one gets hurt podcast. Okay, JJ Jorgensen and Tonio, ladies and gentlemen. Woo!
SPEAKER_00You just heard my feelings. So no shit.
SPEAKER_04No, no, you know what it is? It's it's that it's so when I was Googling the podcast to check it out, I that's all I remembered was no one gets hurt. That's it.
SPEAKER_03Sounds to me like we need to change the name of the podcast.
SPEAKER_00Well, I think it was originally no one gets hurt. And then I think we'd kind of had talked about like the reason it's no one gets hurt is because when someone's robbing a man, it'd be like, listen up, and no one gets hurt.
SPEAKER_04Okay, so that that's where that's where it's from. Okay. All right. Yeah. Now I won't forget because I'm so embarrassed right now. You should be.
SPEAKER_01We need more shaming on this podcast. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04The live shame. Uh, but you guys had me on the show and I love the concept when you first told first told me about the podcast. I I absolutely loved the the concept. It was so cool. Thank you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, great episode too.
SPEAKER_04Thank you. Yeah, we really enjoyed having you. No, I I enjoyed being there, dude. It was really fun. You guys are awesome.
SPEAKER_00Thank you. Yeah, no, uh, we it was one of those things that kind of just naturally developed from a friendship that began from Tony and I roasting each other.
SPEAKER_03Oh, really? Yeah, we did a roast battle against each other.
SPEAKER_04Oh, you guys did? That's how you guys met?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We uh I tried, I'd signed up for an open mic, I thought it was an open mic, and then I got there and they're like, we're doing roast battles. And my husband was with me, and he jokingly says he's my manager, and he's like, As your manager, this isn't your brand, we should leave. And I was like, you know, like why not? You know, I grew up in a big family. I got roasted a lot, so like let me try my hand at it, you know. So the first round goes, and and then second round, I end up end up with against Tonyo, and then I took it easy on you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, I really did. She was cool as fuck. I didn't want to do it to her.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh roasts are they're hard.
SPEAKER_00I have to say, I remember one of my roads. Oh, I remember a couple of them, but one of the ones I did that I thought was pretty good, and even you said it under your breath, and you were like, damn, that was good. I was like, I was like, when he goes to the liquor store to buy magnums, it's the ice cream.
SPEAKER_03I remember that. That's fucking gold. That's so good. See? That's quality. Write that down and use it in something else.
SPEAKER_01I want to I wanna see because the last time or the first time and the last time that I seen a roast battle, I feel like everyone was like way too nice to each other. And I was like, where's the like ripping apart of each other? Like, I wanted it to be very like savagely. I'm sorry, but I just feel like a roast battle, like I want it to be like ouch.
SPEAKER_00I feel like they're better when you have two people that know each other, you know what I'm saying? Because I feel like when you go against somebody you don't know, then you're just going for like what you see visually, you're not going for like stuff that really hurts. Right. So I don't know. Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_03I prefer to be as savage as possible. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. It's was this so was it an open mic or was it a show? It was a open mic roast battle. Oh, okay. So it was a where was this? Uh Noble Ale. Oh, really? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Long fucking time ago. Oh, okay. So it's been a while since I've got to be. I had to do a comedy for like three months, maybe. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00He had his furry journal with him.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, my monster book of jokes. Yeah. It's a Harry Potter monster book of monsters. But it's empty and it's my joke book. Oh, that's cool. It's my monster book of jokes.
SPEAKER_04You still have it?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Wait, so wait. It's in my car.
SPEAKER_04It's empty. What do you what do you mean it's empty?
SPEAKER_03Like it was just blank pages. It's the the monster book of monsters and it's furry.
SPEAKER_01It's the one that has like the little face that look like um like a tarantula, right? Oh, that looks kind of like a spider.
SPEAKER_03They sold those? Yeah, where did I get it? I think uh lunchbox. Oh, okay. I think it came from lunchbox.
SPEAKER_01Do you let people see? Um, is your joke book or is your guys' joke book like uh like a diary?
SPEAKER_03What do you mean?
SPEAKER_01Like is it something private or is it something like if someone were to stumble upon it and opened it, you'd be okay with them looking through it?
SPEAKER_03No, I don't let nobody in my joke book.
SPEAKER_00So it's like a diary, yeah. I mine I keep it in Google Docs, so I don't care if anybody saw it. I most of my stuff is pretty like benign, so I'm not not too dirty.
SPEAKER_03So I write some fucked up shit sometimes that people don't need to read.
SPEAKER_04I remember one time, I think after it was after a night here at our chatteria, somebody dropped their jokes. And remember your sister? Your sister found it.
SPEAKER_02She did? I can't remember.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, she found it, and she was like, Is this one of your friends? And she was like, Oh my god, he needs help.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right.
SPEAKER_04She was like, I f I like I feel bad. Are these jokes are these supposed to be jokes or or what?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was like borderline like suicidal. Yeah. That's right.
SPEAKER_04I forgot about that. It was this is what I remember from that. Is he talked about how his I his mother-in-law like thought he was like a bitch because he didn't work or something like that. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03It was just it was strange. Some people do comedy because it's cheaper than therapy. That's true. No, but some people need therapy. Yeah, agreed. Everybody needs therapy.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00There are definitely comedians where I'm like, is this a therapy session?
SPEAKER_03Or is this like the fucking intervention?
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Well, I guess the the art is that you get to articulate, you know, what's going on in your in your mind. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_04Some people don't need to. But also there's it's the art is is to craft whatever is going in on your mind into something amusing and something entertaining. And I think that's where the that's where the crafting really is.
SPEAKER_00Right. Yeah, you have to like mine it for gold. So sometimes I feel like going back to the idea of someone coming across your journal, I think they would see these endless ideas that then you have to continue to shave down, to shave down, to shave down to try to get something, you know. So and then I'm jealous when I see a comic that can take one idea and then spend 10 minutes on it, you know, because I'm like, well, that's what I thought I was doing. But really, what I was doing was trying to get to the gold. So I think part of it is you're starting big to wean it down and then hopefully you're bringing it back out again, you know? Like a yo-yo.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I've never had a yo-yo, but I've never had a fucking young. I don't think so. Like in your whole life. I had uh pogs. You ever had a pog? I had pogs, yeah. I also had a yo-yo. I had one of those cone things, it's not the same though.
SPEAKER_01What cone thingies?
SPEAKER_04You know those those little Mexican ones? Oh with the ball?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I it's close, right? I had a yo-yo, but I couldn't do anything with it.
SPEAKER_01I couldn't do anything either.
SPEAKER_04Or the the ball with the paddle?
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah. Do you guys remember the ones that were like this like round silicone thing, and then you turned it and you put it on the thing, and then it popped up? Maybe. No, you don't remember those?
SPEAKER_04I don't think so. Pull it up. What is it called? I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Rubber thing. But it was it was magnum.
SPEAKER_03I don't think you're gonna get the surgery.
SPEAKER_04We're back to the mag to the magnums. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Well, you're supposed to put them like on tables or floors, and me and my sister used to put them on our faces. Oh, and these two pop.
SPEAKER_02That's what I was thinking about the other day. I was like, Jesus.
SPEAKER_04That that reminds me. Like the first time we were together, she was like, Oh, you got one of those rubber things? And I'm like, I got you. And I pull out a condom. She's like, nah, not that. That's not what I'm talking about.
SPEAKER_00No, she was like, Do you have one of those rubber things to put it on my face?
SPEAKER_03I'm like, hell yeah, I got you. I gotta wear a rubber to smack her in the face with it. I'm not gonna do it.
SPEAKER_00I don't even know what it's called. Uh rubber. Maybe like the time frame of when they were popular, like rubber popper?
SPEAKER_04Rubber popper in the 90s?
SPEAKER_0090s, see? It says rubber popper 90s.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, look at that.
SPEAKER_03Oh. See? Now everybody can see that I need a shave.
SPEAKER_05Okay. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay. I remember those.
SPEAKER_01Why is he so like astonished?
SPEAKER_04I remember those.
SPEAKER_01Do you remember?
SPEAKER_04Wait, where do they sell them?
SPEAKER_00I don't know.
SPEAKER_04Ice cream trucks?
SPEAKER_00Probably. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Anywhere. Or fucking Walmart.
SPEAKER_00Or they're in the little coin things at the checkout.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and then you would like flip them inside out like that, and then put them down and then they pop. They go.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01No, I never had one of those. The video's not working, but I'll I'll find one for you guys too.
SPEAKER_00Oh, push a push pop, dude. Those things.
SPEAKER_01I I feel like we did like really dangerous things.
SPEAKER_00Push a push pop. It's all good until it's not and all the saliva is coming down and it's like dripping down your finger. Disgusting. Well, that's what the like also like the wait a push pop?
SPEAKER_01Like the push a push pop, push a push play. No, the one that you did with your finger.
SPEAKER_04Oh, it was like a push it like this. It looked like a um like a stick of lipstick.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly. Those. What do kids play with now?
SPEAKER_03Fucking iPads. That's true, huh? Yeah. I know that's kind of my six-year-old plays in my Xbox.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's crazy, huh? How kids now know technology.
SPEAKER_00It's wild.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I think like for us, like we were I was born 1990, over 1991, and we were somewhere in the middle of like discovering technology, but still like having toys to play with. And like my sister and I was just us two, and we we had a lot of toys, but we liked to play with things that weren't toys. Like we used to lick like the battery. We used to play with these things and pop up on our face. Like I was just thinking about it the other day. I was like, damn, we we did really like stupid shit.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, I used to take if the tops of erasers, you know, like the the added eraser that you'd put on top of a pencil. And I would I would close them and then it'd put them to the side of my face and like make them suction onto my face. Oh, yeah. And I remember I did that like because I thought it would be kind of funny. And it was like first communion was that weekend. And when I got it into the car, my mom saw the little like dent. Oh, because it did like a hickey? Like a well, it was like a circle indent. Oh, not it was not, it was like it'd be like a hickey if like it was a you know, like a red little mouse or something. So like this, what the hell are you doing? Like, you have first communion, like these pictures, like oh, you know, it's like, yeah. So what happened?
SPEAKER_04Were they prominent in the pictures?
SPEAKER_00No, no, they went away. They went away.
SPEAKER_03It's like, you know, but my mom was so nervous because it was like the first ever communion because she's old.
SPEAKER_00No. Yeah. Thank you. All night folks. Or like flipping the eyelids. Did you guys flip your eyelids? Oh, yeah. But then I also pulled out all my eyelashes. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03So my mom was like back to therapy. My mom was like, What are you doing here?
SPEAKER_02Maybe we should have had iPads.
SPEAKER_04It's like I thought iPads are a really good idea.
SPEAKER_01You you went to like the emergency room a bunch of times, huh?
SPEAKER_04You're always getting hurt. Yeah, I was always getting hurt. I think there was like a period of like uh a stretch of two to three years where I was constantly getting stitches or being like sent to the hospital for just something.
SPEAKER_00What kind of stitches? Like to your heads, your arms?
SPEAKER_04Uh I got I have 32 stitches across my foot on the top uh from wrestling. Uh me and my brother-in-law, we were wrestling in uh our garage slash where we slept and hung out. So, like doing exactly what WWF told you not to do. Exactly. Yeah, we didn't listen. Um he had me on his shoulders, like my stomach was on like his shoulders. Are you familiar with uh John Cena? Of course. Okay, so he gave me an FU, right? Oh hell yeah. My foot hit the the railing on the garage and uh right on the edge. And okay, so I landed on the mattress and I was like, ah, my foot, right? I didn't know if if there was a cut or anything, and I just had my hands on the my foot and I opened my hands and there was just blood everywhere, it was gushing, and I had like a piece of like skin just filleted. I got filleted. I think I was like 12.
SPEAKER_00And you're like, if I just put this like this, it's gonna be fine.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. And to top it all off, nobody drove at that time. It was me, my sister, and my brother-in-law. They were very young. And uh they had to call the the ER, or not the ER, the ambulance. So I had the ambulance ambulance come and pick me up.
SPEAKER_03I feel like that was probably an ambulance situation, my dude.
SPEAKER_04Right. Uh if it wasn't it wasn't for the ambulance, I probably would have had to walk to the to the ER. Either walk to the ER or have my one of my cousins drive me on their bike. My mom, not a motorcycle, like a bike.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Wasn't that one time too?
SPEAKER_04God damn. Got a lot of stuff going on with me.
SPEAKER_01My mom used to tell us, um, you know, she never said like if you feel sick or anything like that, but my mom always like made sure to tell us, like, don't take the ambulance, like let me take you or something, you know.
SPEAKER_05And I was sensitive.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So I was, I had I don't even think I was 18 yet, but it was my first year in college. And I was literally the first week there. And um, I didn't know I had food allergies. I literally developed them like from one day to the other, like it, like it happened. And yeah, so I had a really bad allergic reaction that morning. My class hadn't started. To make a long story short, I passed out in the restroom, like tongue swelled, everything. And then my sister was going to the same school at around that time.
SPEAKER_00Lucky.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And she called my mom and she's like, Mom, you know, la la la. Amber's on the floor, she's unconscious. Like, we're gonna take her to the hospital. My mom was like, No.
SPEAKER_04Wait, you're unconscious?
SPEAKER_01Well, for a while I was, yeah, because I passed out. I passed out of the restroom, so I went to the restroom, and then yeah, it was a whole ordeal. So she's telling my mom, like, hey, we'll have to rush her to the hospital. And mom's like, no, no, don't call the ambulance. And my sister's like, What do you mean, don't call the ambulance? And she's like, I'll be there in five minutes. Just tell them to wait five minutes. And then you can, I can hear my sister like now, you know, because I was already like back into consciousness, and I was like laying out in the in the like lobby or like the hallway of you know our class. And then um the teacher's like, my sister tells the professor, she's like, Oh, uh, my mom won't be here for her. She's like, What do you mean your mom's gonna be here? Like, she needs an ambulance now. So literally, my mom was like, No ambulance, no ambulance. And I'm like laying there, like, oh my god, lady. So they called an ambulance, and the ambulance comes, and literally, as they're putting me into the ambulance, I see my mom's car like and then they were like, No, like so. They closed the door, and my mom like drove behind the ambulance. And the first thing she told me, she's like, I told you to wait. I told you to wait.
SPEAKER_00And I was like, Lady, I almost died. Like, well, the school probably was very concerned about liability because if the if the a teacher didn't call, then all of a sudden they can you can sue the school, like, oh, you you knew that she was in dire straits and you didn't do anything, you know. So the school's like, We're just gonna call, you know, that's probably almost like no ambulance. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So now I think about him like no ambulance.
SPEAKER_04IPads are a good idea.
SPEAKER_03It's funny, y'all all got regular stories about ending up in an ambulance and like I overdosed and high assessed in fucking ninth grade and I ended up in an ambulance. Like, I didn't have any food allergies. I did it to myself.
SPEAKER_00I'm all food allergies wrestling. My ambulance story is uh I was in gymnastics and it was uh like right before going back to school. And my dad had asked my mom why I was doing gymnastics, you know, because she's not a sprightly thing.
SPEAKER_04Uh huh.
SPEAKER_00Meaning like she's a little bit big to be a gymnast, don't you think? Thanks, Dad. Um, but he he meant height wise, but whatever. I was doing it more for like to do cheer in high school, you know, like the backflips and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_03Right. So you do a backflip?
SPEAKER_00I used to be able to, but now I can't. But I mean, I'm I mean, I'm also old. So but anyways. Oh I mean so we were doing these things called aerials where you don't put your hand down. So we were like learning it's a cartwheel where you don't put your hand down. So it's you're doing like the motion of a cartwheel, but you have no hands down on the mat. Do you know what I'm saying? Like you have a round off is one hand.
SPEAKER_04Oh, right.
SPEAKER_00And aerial is no hands.
SPEAKER_04Wait, how do you how do you do that with no hands?
SPEAKER_00Because you're like running and then you whip yourself around.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay. So I uh just say Power Ranger. It's just say be a Power Ranger top.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so this is this is like this is like a week before seventh grade, and I I just couldn't do it. Like I just kept putting my hand down, I kept putting my hand on, and we were going over a mushy mat, so they're like really soft mats. And the two girls in front of me were doing everything they could just being stupid and they're like falling and they're like, oh my god. And I'm like seriously trying to figure this out. And I put my hand down and I remember getting up and being like, ooh, that's gonna hurt tomorrow. Like I think I I think I pulled a muscle. And then I turn back around and my arm is in a U. Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_04Oh my Lord. How old were you?
SPEAKER_00Just right before seventh grade.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay. Is that even like during a period where because you know kids they're not in integrated schools yet? Well, they're they're their bone, their bones are growth plates. Yeah. Is that still within the time of that?
SPEAKER_00I was okay. I was okay. So, so they uh so they come they my mom was there, and I'm like, I look at it and the the place knows right away like what's going on because they have injuries. I they they're like literally after I find out, they're like, Yeah, ambulances are called there like every week because it's gymnastics. Like it's a day, it's actually very dangerous. So um the ambulance comes, and my pay my dad had just gotten home from work, so he was close by, he stops over. My other brother, one of my brothers, is home, and uh he wants to go, he's in college, but he wants to be a doctor. So they both show up, and my dad stands over me, he's like, Yep, it's broken. So they had to put it in like some kind of a like a soft cast thing, like a like a splint. And then they put me into the ambulance, and I just remember I was fixated on the fact that the paramedic had marbles in his pocket. Yeah, that's awesome. And I was like thinking to myself, like, why you're in health, healthcare, why are you smoking?
SPEAKER_03That was the that was the time. Well, yeah, and he probably grew up in the time where like they were still telling you it was okay to smoke cigarettes, yeah. It was healthy, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he was probably my guess would be like in his late 20s to early 30s. So it would have maybe he might have been in that cusp, maybe. Right on the edge. Yeah, yeah, maybe. Didn't like pregnant women drink and smoke like a big thing. Yeah, so that's no. Oh, my mom smoked with me and my brothers. Yeah, no, yeah. My mom that's cool. So my mom, my mom I know, I know. So my mom smoked with both my brothers. She smoked with me. That's cool. The only difference is that she had taken birth control with me. So I feel like that my brothers are like mathematical science geniuses. I did not get that, and so I'm like, I feel like that birth control just like robbed me of that opportunity. You know what I mean? It was the secondhand smoke that I you should write that down. I do I have that as a joke, and every time I I do it, it's like I do a little different, and it's just I need to figure it out.
SPEAKER_04Keep working it out, deliver it exactly like that. Okay, keep keep working it out. Yeah, for sure. So uh what's the so I brought up the concept of the podcast, but I don't think I explained it. Yeah. Uh so can you guys explain the concept of the podcast and a little background between the both of you guys?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, sure. So so in the fact that we're roast battling each other, and then I have a like I feel bad, and so I find him on Instagram. I'm like, hey, I just want to make sure you know, I'm sure you know, but like everything I said, like I wasn't trying to be mean or anything, and he was like, No, no, I get it, like me too. And then so we kind of just developed a little bit of a light friendship, I'd say, just like back and forth, like liking each other's posts, whatever. And then it slowly develops. I think because I see his him do his stand-up, he sees my see me doing my stand-up, and then I find out that Tonyo has a bit of a history.
SPEAKER_03That would to say it lightly, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And then it turns out I'm an attorney, but I don't practice criminal law, but I actually am very fascinated by criminal law, all aspects have it. And so And I'm a criminal. So and so we were like, wouldn't that be kind of funny? Like legit, legit. So we thought, wouldn't that be kind of funny to have a podcast where you know we talk about like because it's it's an odd couple, it's an odd pairing. And then, but I thought I don't want to just have like a run-of-the-mill situation, like I think we should use the strengths of the fact that we're who we are, and he was like, I agree. And then he, you know, we went back and forth on a couple different things, and then finally we agreed, like, there's so many podcasts that talk about murders, which no disrespect, I'm all in on those. I love them. Yeah, but I I just feel like that's a little oversaturated a little bit, and so I was like, What if we do one where no one gets hurt? That would be like a different angle, you know. So we've been focusing on mostly, it seems like it's financial crimes.
SPEAKER_03It has been mostly financial crimes.
SPEAKER_00Okay, yeah, and then like the history of financial crimes.
SPEAKER_03So like Charles Ponzi or Soapy Smith, the people that like the four found the forefounders, the founding fathers, if you will, of we even have gone back all the way to the first recorded instance of insurance fraud. Whoa. 300 AD.
SPEAKER_04300 A.D. I was thinking maybe like 18 something, but 300 AD. 300 AD. That is wild.
SPEAKER_00Well, Tony liked it because it happened that the the fraud, if you will, happened to be called a bottom re and I and Tony, you know, he has a fast bottom. He has a fashion fashion fascination with bottoms, so that's that's that's true.
SPEAKER_03I do.
SPEAKER_00I have a a financial crime.
SPEAKER_01Ooh.
SPEAKER_03Wow.
SPEAKER_01I'm all I'm all against.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah, that's right. Hold on, but did have we talked about the story? No. I think did we briefly at least bring uh it up?
SPEAKER_01I would somebody yeah, we talked to somebody about it. Uh huh. Yeah, because I because I think I said I was like, I don't care. I'm gonna say it. Right, right. And then I said like um kind of just like the first part of it.
SPEAKER_04The gist of of what was going on. This is kind of juicy.
SPEAKER_00Is it still going on or yeah?
SPEAKER_01So everything's alleged. Yes, allegedly, but no, she didn't. I'm just kidding. Um yeah, I guess I could talk about it. I mean, I don't care. You can speak in hypotheticals. No, it's fine. So it's um someone we know. Okay, uh kind of they were close to us, um, and uh uh older than like us. And um to make a long story short, because there's a lot, a lot of meat in the story. Um I had I've known her for a long time since I was like maybe like 15. Um, and she's like maybe like 30 years older. She's like an older lady, and um about two years ago, yeah, about two years ago, so she's I used to see her often and I I used to work with her. So I used to see her often and then she used to tell me like these like stories, like, oh you know, I got cancer and like you know, these things. So then I was like, oh my god, like you know, that one I don't know if it was real or not, but now I mean everything else that I learned, I'm like, I don't know, you know. So it would be like that, it'd be um, oh I got in an accident, um, I'm suing so and so, and I won a settlement. Oh, um, somebody committed uh social security fraud, so I won a big settlement, things like that, right? So it was always her saying about winning settlements, and then I like at one point just coming into money randomly, yeah, like coming into money randomly or things like that. And I and then one day I told her, I was like, man, I was like, not to say anything, but geez, like you have some bad luck. Like, you know, you're always like something's always happening. It's just like you know, I I meant like because she was either always getting injured or like something like you know, I I mean to me the whole like social security fraud thing was like like a big thing because at that time she claimed that when she was going through cancer, she couldn't get um claim social security because someone else her identity had yeah, and then they killed she had told us that they had killed her off, so then she was like on social security, like on paper that she was dead, and she was like, I'm not whatever, right? This giant story, but I'm just like, oh my god, like and part of mind you part of me already knew that she was kind of like a like a little liar, but I was like, No, there's no way she was a lime bitch, yeah. Like there's no there's no way allegedly, yeah, allegedly, allegedly, there's no way that someone would fabricate this much, right? So then one day she comes up to me, and and at this point I was um kind of assisting in like putting events together and renting out a space and everything, right? And she came to me and she's like, Hey, I want to rent the space out for a baby shower. And I was like, Okay, mind you, she's like 30 years my senior, okay? So this was two years ago.
SPEAKER_00I was just a little older than me.
SPEAKER_01I was, I was, yeah. Well, I I don't know your age, but but but yes, I just I just could see it formulating the telling you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he was I wanted to beat him to it. It was COVID, so she's younger than me, is what you're saying.
SPEAKER_01So she, you know, like she's like in her 50s, you know. So younger than me.
unknownI'm joking.
SPEAKER_01So so then she's like telling me, like, oh, I want to put a baby shower together. And I said, Okay, you know, I didn't ask whose baby shower anything, right? So literally the day before the baby shower, because I had heard from somebody that knew her, they were like, Hey, were you invited to the baby shower? And I was like, Oh, yeah. I go, but it's her daughter's, right? And she's like, No, it's her baby shower. And I was like, What? So this whole time I'm planning helping her plan this whole baby shower, and it was her own baby shower, and she didn't tell me that.
SPEAKER_04Oh, so at the beginning she said that it was she told me it was her.
SPEAKER_01She first she didn't tell me whose baby shower.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01And then later I asked, and then she's like, Oh, it's my daughter's. And then I was like, Oh, okay, cool. So then I thought it's her daughter's baby shower, but then this close person next to me was like, No, it's it's hers, or she's claiming that it's hers. So anyway, so the day before the baby shower was like, Hey, whose baby shower is this that I'm like literally pouring like my sweat and like everything into? And she's like, It's mine, I'm pregnant. And then in my head, I was like, No. The math is not mathing, the math is not mathing, exactly. I'm like, no, like you're probably already in menopause, like, you know, like, no, there's no way.
SPEAKER_00And then I'm not Janet Jackson, who's uh, you know, financially able to procreate at 55.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, or like freeze your eggs or anything like that. But at that moment, what am I gonna say? No, you're lying, like, and then I was just like, Oh, okay, like amazing. Oh my god, why didn't you tell me? And then she's like, Yeah, I know you can't tell my stomach right now, but tomorrow I'm gonna wear a romper and you're really gonna be able to see my stomach. And then I was like in my head, like, oh god. So, anyways, the day comes of the baby shower, she invites all these people. I'm talking about like maybe like a hundred guests, yeah. And she shows up and she walks into the room, like into her own baby shower, and she got there late, and she has this giant belly on her. And I was like, No way, like I just seen you yesterday. Like that belly was not there. Her belly was like a seventh-month-year-old, like pregnant lady. She went through the whole baby shower, and I remember in the table that I was sitting, everybody's like, Is that her belly? Do you think it's really her belly? And then somebody that went was like, I didn't get her a gift until I see the baby. Like, literally, everyone at the baby shower was like super skeptical about the whole thing. So they wanted to go for the show, yeah.
SPEAKER_04They were there for the show.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think, and it's kind of sad because I think we all knew like she's not okay. Yeah, like this is not okay. Yeah, you know, something's going on, and I think his family, because he's younger, his family genuinely thought Oh, so sh so she was like with a man. Yes. Oh she was with a man. So, anyways, to make a long story short, um, she's like still coming to work and she's still working, everything. And then we asked her, like, hey, when are you taking your maternity leave? And she's like, I don't need to take maternity leave. Like, I've had four other or five other kids. She's like, I'm good. She's like, I don't need it. So we're like, okay, like, all right. So then she comes back one day and then she's like, Oh, I had my baby. And and we're like, when? And she's like, Saturday, and mind you was Monday. And we're like, How are you? Oh, how are you working? And she's like, Oh, it's because you know, I've had five kids, so I'm just like, like, I'm just ready. Like, I bounce bounce back.
SPEAKER_04I bounce back, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So it was one of those, right? So to to kind of wrap up the story, what ended up happing in where the financial part is, is that um we not okay, um I already gave away the whole thing. I don't know how to talk in third person. That's okay. But there was some money coming uh to the people that I know, and it was from the IRS, right? They were getting like tax returns, like a lot of tax returns. And they told them, hey, we're going to be mailing these checks out, keep an eye out, and they're gonna be in like increments of you know, like blah blah X. Um, so then this person was like, Hey, it's been months and there's no like checks. And then IRS is like, what are you talking about? We've sent six checks out already. And so then this person was like looking through cameras, everything. And then the way that that she got caught was the bank, this person, the person that the money was like for, uh, he goes to the bank to cash a check that actually came in. So he's like, Oh, here's the check. So he goes to the bank, and then the bank teller is like, Oh, um, another one of these checks. And he's like, What do you mean another one of these checks? And he's like, Yeah, um so and so came in to cash one yesterday, but they had the wrong um they had uh like a digit off from their uh account, so they they like denied it. And then he's like, This is the first one I'm bringing. What are you talking about? And then the girl described what she looked like and everything, and he's like, I know exactly who that is.
SPEAKER_00So was she trying to wash when she was depositing it, she wasn't depositing, she was getting cash, like when she was taking the check to the bank?
SPEAKER_01No, I guess she was depositing it into their account, into the other person's account, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Into so they had an account, like it was a joint account.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but she was acting like if the like the person that the checks were supposed to go to, she was acting like if he was sending her to go deposit the got it account the or the checks. So then the bank, I don't know why they didn't, but the banks were letting her cash it into the account that she changed it to. Wow. Because she had been there a couple times to like just as a favor to get change and stuff like that. So then this whole thing, and it was like like a like a lot of money. And then after that, it started like you know, we were piecing it together. She left to she did like um like 15 days in Japan and she did like first like a first class trip.
SPEAKER_04First class trip with her whole family. With her whole family.
SPEAKER_01She took her whole family, the baby too. No, the baby, uh baby couldn't make it to Japan. The baby couldn't make it to Japan. Didn't have a passport, yeah. Yeah, no one talked about the baby after that because it had been like year months after that.
SPEAKER_03No one brought it up at all.
SPEAKER_01No, little little sushi, little sushi baby, yeah, and then she went to uh the Grand Canyon and she uh paid for a helicopter ride. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_06Not cheap.
SPEAKER_01And then she started going to the casino, and she what we found out was that she was going to the casino, taking the slump sum of money, betting it, and then checking out. So she was like pretty much like washing, you know, like like having receipts. And then she's dumb because she incriminated herself because she randomly like like no one asked her, and she sent a like to a text to the person that the money was for. Um, she's like, Oh, look at what I won at the casino. And he's like, Oh, oh, good for you. Like, so she was doing all these things to like, you know, supposedly like this is where the money's coming from. So yeah, so then they got her there, and then has she been arrested? She has not been arrested. Um they do have like a trial coming up, um, or they did, and then um they showed up. This other person showed up, and then they were like, Oh, it's got pushed back.
SPEAKER_00So wait, so but she's been criminally charged?
SPEAKER_01Not yet.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Well, no, she she's if she's facing trial, she must be So then okay, okay. So yeah, so she is okay. Unless it's a civil trial, unless he's suing her for like to be paid back, but it sounds like it's the state that's suing her. Yeah, it's uh IRS. Oh, so it's federal. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, did number three.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Clean it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but see, what we what we recommend I'm like, yeah, Sally. No, no, no, no, no. No, we don't recommend that you commit any crimes, but um, no, it seems as though people, you know, when they do these financial crimes, uh, they end up spending it, they they go above their their means right away. And then they don't pay their taxes. And then if you don't pay your taxes, that's usually how you get caught because they're like, wait, you know, we're we're you have all this income here, but you're not paying your taxes. Oh, and then they uh backwards unravel it and figure out that this is why you have all this income and then you get in real trouble.
SPEAKER_01So But why hasn't she been why why didn't they like pick her up and put her in jail?
SPEAKER_00Is it because it's not like a I mean the she might not be a flight risk. There might I I don't know because I don't do I don't do criminal, but I I mean it sounds though that if she has the IRS against her, maybe she maybe she bailed, maybe she posted bail, and so she, you know, doesn't have to be, you know, and she's incarcerated. Yeah, does she doesn't have to wait in jail uh while she's you know going through trial and possibly also she's not a flight risk, so you know, because she has that new baby that she's nursing.
SPEAKER_01Well, she so that so a detective went to her house and then I guess her boyfriend is like on the run right now. Wow. Um, yeah, so they they haven't been able to find him. And then we realized, yeah, and then we realized that he's also undocumented. I mean, he he was raised here his entire life, like he went to school here and everything, and I didn't know that, and I was just like, damn, like yeah, you just like screwed your whole life your whole life up for what? Like, I mean, you know, granted money, but I mean that money's gone already.
SPEAKER_00Like, yeah, they literally she literally has no money. Well, the good thing is in some respects is that this only seems to have been a financial crime. There's a documentary on Netflix right now called Motherly Instinct. Oh, yeah, watch that. I seen that. I seen that and that actually happens like a lot. Like a lot of people.
SPEAKER_04Wait, what is that called?
SPEAKER_01Motherly Instinct.
SPEAKER_04Motherly Instinct.
SPEAKER_01So it's the one that I told you that's like her. I I told you I was like, it's her story. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Minus the last part.
SPEAKER_04Right. Yeah. Right.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. She um killed her friend to yeah, she she I think she went over to the friend's house to like cut the baby out of the belly, and then sh the friend ends up dying, and then the the baby ends up dying too.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay. So that's where I was walking by and the cop pulls her over, and she has like in her hand.
SPEAKER_00She's like, I just gave birth, I just gave birth.
SPEAKER_04Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00And then there was also another situation which not escalating into murder, but I think it was like, I don't watch The Bachelor, but I think one of the contestants on Bachelor somehow was like a realtor in Arizona, and then one of the girls that was his like client, I guess they you're not supposed to like have sexual relations when you're the realtor and your client like it's an ethical thing.
SPEAKER_04Tell that to Pornhub. Yeah. I see that. Uh that that that seems like a plot on a lot of movies.
SPEAKER_00Well, tell that to just realtors on Instagram. I don't know if you noticed, but they're basically wearing like nipple covers and G strings. They're like, let me show you this water feature in this house.
SPEAKER_04Sex covers. Nice.
SPEAKER_00Like, did you know that they're stairs? Come with me. And you're like, whoa, like that's a lot. Yeah, but then as the as a lady, do you want your husband, you know, your married couple? Maybe if you're a single dude, that's who you want to, you know, have you as your agent. But anyways, so uh like I think that my understanding is that they had uh oral sex, like she, you know, performed on him and then claimed that she was pregnant. And he was like, There's no way because we only have unless you uh have your fallopian tubes in your mouth, like, how's this out? And then she she would talk about she would produce uh an ultrasound, and then but this is not the first time that she has done this. I guess like she allegedly has like done this to multiple people, and then people freak out and then. They you know you're you're basically it's extortion or blackmail, whatever you want to say, and um yeah, so this what I'm saying is like this kind of scenario that you brought up, people for whatever reason, whether it's to like to keep the boyfriend or to get that that's you know, whatever.
SPEAKER_01But I I think like in her case, there's a lot more like rooted, like she just was maybe I don't know, going through like an episode or something. And and honestly, like like we've because we've talked about it a lot. I mean, we went through the entire motions, you know, with everybody that was involved. And to me, I'm just like like we seen the signs, you know, but you you were like, oh, ah, she's funny, or oh, she's crazy, or I so and so. We literally, we literally used to be like, I so and I'm not gonna say her name, but you know, I so and so said this, and then everybody would like, ah ha ha ha. Because we just thought, like, uh, you know, this crazy lady.
SPEAKER_00As soon as you started telling me the story that you I mean, the the the lady that was the fan, the president of Selena's fan club. That's what I my mind went to right away. Like, because she told a lot of those crazy stories too, you know, and Selena like believed her and wanted to see the and the dad was like, don't talk to this lady, she's crazy. And then finally she convinced Selena to go to the hotel, like, oh, I'll tell you why everything's the way it is.
SPEAKER_01And I feel like this lady could have if if given more time or like even maybe more pressure under like different circumstances, I really do think that she could have committed something worse.
SPEAKER_04Something bad because I feel like somebody like that like tests the waters in every aspect, like uh as a uh as a person that is is just doing this kind of you know stuff in their life. They're they're testing it and they feel like they can get away with it, and they just keep on testing the waters. And it's all gonna escalate from that. And more and more and more. And I'm pretty sure she's getting off on doing stuff like this, right? Yeah, I'm sure it's a quick serotonin hit every time she does something similar, or gets yeah, gets away with it, and not on top of that, she's getting away with it, but she's also getting money and from the money she's going on trips, and and it's just it's crazy.
SPEAKER_01And then I found out the other day that she's already been to jail for uh check fraud.
SPEAKER_00That makes sense. Yeah, gateway drug. But that's one of what that's one of the challenges. I would say that's one of the challenges for us on our podcast is that there's so many crimes that start out as just a financial crime and then it escalates to someone getting murdered. And so since our focus is trying to find crimes where murder doesn't happen, you know, I mean, there's gonna be the instances where someone dies, right? I mean, but ideally the focus is trying to be where no one gets hurt, like no one gets physically harmed.
SPEAKER_04Well and I was gonna ask you too. Uh, have you well that makes sense because you you you cover the crimes that where nobody ends up getting hurt? But I was gonna ask you if you you looked into the uh the yes, uh what's her name? Uh Saldivar, uh the one that murdered Selena. Oh, Yolanda.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's we were just talking about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, um, I did not again, because she murdered Selena. I said, like, no, I'm not gonna probably cover that one.
SPEAKER_04But but it first started off as a financial crimes, right? What did she do anyway?
SPEAKER_00So she was so with Selena. This Selena was like honestly, I'm like getting in the chills. She was so ahead of her time on so many things, like marketing-wise, you know, and so she realized that her fans wanted a piece of her, you know, and so she created a store in Texas, and then she created like beauty salons and things like that. So her fans would be able to have an opportunity to like, you know, be with her. And then also there was a fan club. So people would send like $13 and then they would get a photo and like maybe a sticker or something like that, right? And Yolanda was in charge of all of that, is my understanding. And so then Yolanda was taking the money and she wasn't balancing the books. Well, she was balancing them to her favor, but then the dad was like, Well, where's the money? Right. And so then they basically told the lady, like, you're off of anything to do with anything. And I think they like relegated her role to something smaller, and then she was so upset because she was she'd been friends with Selena and Selena was sound like a sweetheart, and she was crying to Selena and was like, you know, um, I'm I'm so sorry, like I can explain this to you, I can explain this to you. And the dot, I think, was kind of like, Don't do, don't go over there, like da-da-da-da-da-da like cut ties. And Selena just, you know, wouldn't get better judgment and thought, like, no, I'm gonna listen and hear her out. And the lady was so desperate, and then she claimed she wanted to kill herself, which is always like the story. Like, I was gonna kill myself, and then like I just freaked out, and like, you know, yeah, that was a bummer. Yeah, she was gorgeous singer, beautiful.
SPEAKER_04Oh, dude, we watched the the documentary, the the most recent one, probably within the where they have the little girl like playing her. No, it was like an actual documentary.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was a it was a documentary, the family made it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, the family made it, and after watching that, and I was just like, oh my god, she was such the sweetest, like artist, yeah, like so like in tuned with herself, her fans. It was amazing. Like I I had I think from that point, so I have I have this joke. I don't know if you guys heard it before, but it's it's a joke, and the premise uh is around like Selena, and after watching that, you don't want to do it anymore. I I I don't I I she doesn't do it anymore. I scrapped I didn't I didn't totally scrapped it, I kind of like switched it around to where she's it's not about her anymore, it's about Charlie Kirk. Oh, okay. That's quite a job. It's not a reach at all. Uh but I haven't I haven't used the the the the switch around. But anyways, after watching that that documentary, I was like, oh my god, people really like really loved her.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah. I mean, I'm a I'm a non-Spanish speaking white and I want to learn Spanish because of like her songs. I'm not kidding. I mean, seriously, her her music is contagious. Yeah, I love listening to it for sure.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's it's it's crazy super unfortunate. And she's still trying to get out. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01She was supposed to parole this year and they denied it.
SPEAKER_042025 or 2026? 2026. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03They're never gonna let her out.
SPEAKER_00When she's in Texas, right? So she's lucky she's not dead.
SPEAKER_01I was seeing the talking about paroling. Um, did you guys ever hear I guess crimes but not financial ones? But did you guys ever hear of um this guy, his name is Alex Enamorado? Uh maybe so he's uh like an activist. Oh yeah, that's right. He's an activist and his like his main like activism like focal point is food vendors. So yeah, like street vendors. So he's out there, you know, making sure that they uh know how to get permits and like if something happened, he's out there defending them, he was raising money, like you know, things like that. Um well he pissed off uh Riverside County uh police uh quite a few times, right? So during um during the pandemic, right, is when he got arrested. It was during the pandemic, they went to do like uh they went outside of a detention center that's in, I guess, like Riverside County. And um him and I think like five or six other activists went out and they were like protesting outside and then it escalated to going to like some official's house outside of his house, and you know sometimes they go outside the house and things like that. So, anyways, um I think they ended up like doing like fireworks or something, right? And make a long story short, they all got arrested. Well, they gave him um, I think I want to say like 75 years to life. Yeah for fireworks for wait, hold on. He didn't kill anybody, he didn't like there was no altercation.
SPEAKER_04I thought they were still waiting for a trial. He hasn't even been sent to trial yet.
SPEAKER_01No, they already they sentenced him.
SPEAKER_04When? They sentenced him?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he's still in there, and everybody else got a plea, and everybody else is out already, except for him.
SPEAKER_00I wonder if there's something else going on.
SPEAKER_01I gotta look at the charges exactly.
SPEAKER_04Um yeah, pull him up because uh I was under the impression that he was still waiting uh to uh arraignment or or something, but Alex Amorado life sentence.
SPEAKER_01New update, um still behind bars facing it says 35 years, jury jury jury convicted for three years. Where is it? Uh still behind bars facing felony charges for alleged violence.
SPEAKER_00That's from 2024.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so that's like two years ago. Yeah, let me look for something a little more. Um the one that I see that so his girlfriend is the one that does like like all the updates on his case because no one's really covering it anymore. So they at the beginning everybody was covering it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, this was a huge thing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and then and then they kind of like it started like fading. So now nobody like even he's had two uh lawyers already like kind of just let go of his like trial and they're just like kind of done.
SPEAKER_00Well, what's interesting is a lot of it has to do with what state you committed the crime in, what county you committed the crime in, who your judge is, who the prosecutor is. I mean, that all plays into it, you know what I mean? Because uh for a while, so you know, like Chappelle was uh performing at the Hollywood Bowl, and a guy jumped on stage with like it looked like a gun, but it was a knife on the end of it. Yep. And Chappelle was so mad about it that the next year he performed at the Honda Center in Anaheim, and he made a whole big thing about I won't perform in LA until basically he didn't say the name, but Gascon was out because he's like he doesn't prosecute he he's like that guy thought that the crime of having the knife facing me was only worth $5,000 like for bail. And he was like, I I can't agree with that. Like the guy tried to kill me with a knife and he was only $5,000. But like if that same crime happens in Orange County, or if that same crime happens in San Francisco, like it could be a different set of circumstances, right? Because it just depends on what the DA wants to do.
SPEAKER_04That is so wild to me. It's so wild to me because the same like event, the same thing that that's happening in reality, we're all whisk witnessing the same thing, and it can be completely different based on where you're at, based on who's like con controlling whatever happens to the person that actually like commits that.
SPEAKER_00It's just OJ commits the crime in Brentwood, right, and his attorneys, you know, argue are and successfully argue to move the case down to downtown LA. That changes the jury pool completely. So you have different jurors in different, you know what I mean? So it's like it all those kinds of things, it's it's a very calculated, it's interesting. You know, it really it's fat, it's there's so many things going on that it's it's hard because you like one time I have a friend who does civil law, she's business litigation, and she had a client that was being sued and his well-to-do doctor. And I think it was an employment case. I it sounded like he had a legitimate argument, but he also fired somebody, probably they shouldn't have fired, you know, whatever. I don't know all the details of the case, but he he was definitely like, no, I'm gonna fight this, I'm gonna fight this, I'm gonna fight this. And then he saw his jurors walk in and he was like, Oh no, they're gonna think I'm a rich doctor. Like I'm a okay to do doctor, but I'm not like wealthy, you know, but they're gonna hear doctor, they're gonna think they're gonna, they're definitely gonna find against me. So he's like, all right, let's settle. But for like a year and a half, he'd be like, I'm not settling, I'm not settling, I'm not settling. So that's what I'm saying. Like it's very so, but like once the reality hits of like you're gonna go to trial and you you like all of a sudden you start, or you start getting you get that taste from the judge that the judge is not buying what you're putting down, all of a sudden you start to change your opinions. You're like, okay, maybe we'll settle, you know, or maybe we'll plead down, or maybe we'll, you know, whatever.
SPEAKER_04So I can't take it and plea. Yeah. You found something?
SPEAKER_01Sorry, put a pen on that because I have a question. I'm all I'm all everywhere. I'm like, ah, I just brought you guys on here to get legal counsel. No, so so it says, uh, this was April 2023. It says sentencing. Both perpetrators are sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, right? And then um, I seen another one down here from four days ago. It says activist Alex Namorel is now facing a maximum sentence of 16 years in prison, but prosecutors are also calling for his deportation. So I guess the what I had read was prior. So they were trying to give him life in prison, and now it's 16 years.
SPEAKER_04Okay, but is there a clear charge? Like why what are they charging him with?
SPEAKER_01I think it's like aggravated assault or something like that. Which they're I guess that's what they're claiming that like the fireworks were like you went and like tried to harm us or something like that.
SPEAKER_03He's probably got a launching a projectile charge from the sounds of it.
SPEAKER_00He it says he's charged with this is an old post, but it says this is uh we're we're referencing ABC 7 news. Uh it says that he was charged with kidnapping, false imprisonment, conspiracy, and assault with a deadly well weapon during alleged actions or sorry, ac during deadly weapon after their alleged actions during two protests back in September.
SPEAKER_04September of 2020?
SPEAKER_002023 It's probably like 2021.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay. Oh, so he's been in jail for about three years then. Three years now. Okay.
SPEAKER_00He it says after an incident in Woodland Hills, Enamorado organized a protest at the home of the man who they believed was responsible for attacking a fruit vendor and destroying his property. For anyone thinking about attacking street vendors, this is what's gonna happen, this is what's gonna happen, said Enamorado at the protest. You're not gonna be able to come out of your house, you'll be in hiding.
SPEAKER_04Okay, so who's who's who did he do this to?
SPEAKER_01Somebody who they who they think uh did something to a food like a vendor.
SPEAKER_04But if we find out who this person is, I'm pretty sure this person is is has some ties or he has something I don't know. Because he did this to the like this wouldn't happen to i if he would have did this to uh an average person, like him being held up for three years. I don't think that it would be the same.
SPEAKER_03It's probably the profile of the case, huh?
SPEAKER_04Right. Well that and then whoever's whoever he he whoever he's doing this to.
SPEAKER_01Well they're saying that Riverside County it has already like beef with him prior to all of this, like I guess.
SPEAKER_04Right, but the person but the person that he's he did this to, like at their house, like who are they? They they must have some ties with Riverside County.
SPEAKER_01Possibly.
SPEAKER_04I think so. Maybe. I don't know. Can we see who he tried to do this to?
SPEAKER_01Uh sure.
SPEAKER_04Because I don't know, that's to me that it that jumps out at me.
SPEAKER_00They said that um he was provided he was offered a plea, two strikes, five years at 85%, which would mean roughly two more years of actual time served behind bars. On paper, some might see that as a way out, but he didn't see it that way. To walk out with two strikes already on your record catching a third, and you're looking at mandatory life sentence, that is not a small thing to sign off on.
SPEAKER_03Or you could just not catch a third, George.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. That's true.
SPEAKER_01I think because his whole life thing is like the activism, then I think he knows in his heart that he's not going to stop, even if he comes out.
SPEAKER_00It sounds to me, based on this like super quick uh review, that it sounds like there were the whoever was charging him might have been more concerned because he was able to um get a large group of people to follow him and do whatever he wanted at the time. You know, and so that seemed like very dangerous.
SPEAKER_04To the system that is very dangerous, a person that can rile up a a group of people.
SPEAKER_00Right, but especially but if it's if it's violent, that's even worse, though. Right. If you if you're if you're advocating violence alone alone, right.
SPEAKER_01And they were saying like his girlfriend comes on and does like videos, and she's like, they have them in like horrible conditions, like they're like hardly feeding him, like all these. I mean, yeah, uh granted jail, but I guess they're being like extra like petty with him.
SPEAKER_03Maybe it was a cup.
SPEAKER_00That's what I'm thinking too.
SPEAKER_03Maybe it was a cup.
SPEAKER_00So, what did Enamorado and the seven suspects allegedly do? The group is accused of a brutal attack during a protest in Victorville back on September 24, 2023, prompting a city's police department to launch an investigation. The investigation led Victorville PD to also link Enamorado and his fellow suspects to additional alleged assaults taking place at other demonstrations held in Los Angeles and San Bernardino counties. Um, let's see. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So San Bernardino County.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he well, that's where it sounds like he was charged, but it sounds like he was on mobile and going to LA as well. So look, I'm not against any violence.
SPEAKER_04What's the jail out there?
SPEAKER_01You're not against violence? I mean, I'm against violence. Sorry, I'm not against violence. I'm like everybody fuck each other up. Breaking news. No, no, sorry, the other way around. But I do feel like this one is a little more um like it's a little more. I think it's a little more like whoever is the judges and the the sheriffs and everything, like it's more because they don't want like they're they're doing things on purpose.
SPEAKER_00Well, he seems it seems like he's high profile, and so like they're sending a message like we're not gonna tolerate this kind of behavior, possibly. And so they're probably doing it to curb other people from resin up, you know?
SPEAKER_01So it's just crazy, and then you have freaking people I seen the other day, uh, three adults that had uh did you see that they had 12 kids all like chained up in like one room or something.
SPEAKER_00You know what the sad thing about that is that's the headline that I kind of feel like I see every two to three months. I mean, people like doing some weird stuff, like do you there was a the girl, the woman that was like an influencer, like parental influencer in Utah, she was chaining her kids up and she was like yeah. I mean, so it's like it's yeah, it was like a whole documentary, like it's and she's in jail, but it's like and she'd be like, Oh yeah, like I sometimes you have to teach them a lesson, and like you know, I mean, granted, when I was growing up, bro, I don't chain my dogs up.
SPEAKER_03I can't imagine doing my kids.
SPEAKER_00No, no one would chain me up, but I'm just saying, like you know, my my my mom, my mom, you know, popped to me a couple times if I she didn't like what I was doing or saying. So, but I'm just saying it's every generation kind of changes, but right, number chaining, that's terrible. But um, I'm saying I feel like I see those stories like every quarter, like, and it's awful. People doing stupid stuff to kids, it's awful.
SPEAKER_01I just don't understand what possesses people sometimes. I don't know. I like I can think of myself and in like the angriest like I've ever been, and I still can't like lose my mind over hurting someone. I don't know, but I mean that obviously that's just me, and there's more underlying issues with people that commit crimes and do things like that. It's not just I don't think it's just from one day to another. I think it's mental health. Yeah, it's it's it's a big part.
SPEAKER_04Right. It's a recipe of a lot. It's it's their mental health, whatever they're going through at that time. Again, if they've done something like this before and they've gone away with it, hey, I'm gonna try this again. The first time I did it and nothing happened. So I'm it snowballs, right? It snowballs into something that can't be undone.
SPEAKER_01Have you have you read or either of you read the book? It's called Sociopath. No, I don't think so. No, it's really good. Uh I'm almost done with it.
SPEAKER_00Or should I say, yeah, I have. I really liked it. It was my favorite book. It's my favorite.
SPEAKER_01It's about me. Well, the it's the author, you know, it's it's like a like a memoir, and she talks about how her earliest, like, like recollection of herself and kind of identifying as like, like, first she she read it in a in in a textbook, uh, and she's like, oh my god, that's me. But she already had all these feelings before. And she was saying, like, she's like, I was loving, I was caring, like I was a good kid. She's like, but I used to have this feeling of like, if I didn't do something bad, I was going to explode. And she says, she's like, internally, it was like, and again, like like Gil had said earlier, like she would test the waters. She started with like little things like sneaking out, um, stealing like her mom's earrings, um, you know, hiding little things, and then it started escalating to like stabbing a girl at school with a pencil and then escalation. Yeah, and then like like terrorizing pretty much the kids like at her school and things like that. And she's like, but it would only happen when I had this urge and I had to like I had to have to do it. She's like, I used to hear like pounding in my head. She's like, So the only relief that I would get was to do something bad.
SPEAKER_00See, I think that's what's so terrifying of being being a parent. None of us are parents. Tony I was a parent. I think is that is that something like when your kids are doing something, like it's gotta be so like they're doing something wrong. Like, are you in turn? How do you like internalize that? You're like, oh, this is just like they're just messing up, or like this is a pattern. Like, how do you Or like is my kid a sociopath?
SPEAKER_03Psychopath, maybe psycho. I don't know. I just kind of my teenage years were so fucking crazy that nothing that my kids do is like kind of thing. Like they're really fucking good kids. Like they do little dumb shit, you know what I mean? Like a lot of kids do, but never anything where I've been like, that's concerning.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Uh so I don't know, I can't imagine having a little crazy ass kid.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03They're pretty cool. But I think like kids in that situation, uh, it's partially parenting. And then they just need they just need somebody to be nice to 'em. A lot of the times it's it's kids that have been picked on or or treated poorly for the majority of their lives, and that's how they end up doing these bad things because it makes them feel good now. All all kids need is as a parent, you should be the person you needed when you were a kid.
SPEAKER_01So you think it's it's nature over nurture type of thing? Like you think it's the environment that they grow up in, or how like because I mean it's known, right, that like serial killers carry like a distinct like gene. Have you heard of that?
SPEAKER_00Well, it's interesting because uh he's like one of my brothers is a doctor.
SPEAKER_03I thought you were gonna say serial killer.
SPEAKER_00Actually, my brother, I mean there's this term we we might need to look it up. It's called Kluverbucey. It starts with K, I believe. And it's some kind of like a uh gland issue, I guess, I think in the brain that is causes overstimulation for sexual and for violence. And my brother's theory is that not like a scientific, science, like you know, studied theory, but he he's thought before that, like, yeah, see, exactly, that it has something to do with he's like, I wouldn't be surprised if serial killers that have a propensity for like, you know, uh violent sex that they have Cluver Busey.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.
SPEAKER_04Did they name it after Gary Busey?
SPEAKER_00Well, you want to know the weirdest reason why I even remember that it's Cluber Busey. So my brother, when he would play Halo, that would that was his username.
SPEAKER_06That's fucking fantastic. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And so and then he's like, and usually no one would know what it was until they were in unless somebody that was playing was in medical school or like you know, was a doctor, and then you're like, yeah, yeah. That's awesome. Shout out, brother. Yeah, that's so funny. Well, there's a doctor.
SPEAKER_04Hold on, I want to read uh Cluver Busey's syndrome is an extremely rare neurological and psychiatric disorder caused by damage to both temporal lobes of the brain, specifically the amygdala, characterized by a dramatic shift in behavior. Its hallmark systems include compulsive eating, hypersexuality, placity. I don't know what's what's what's that? Placidity uh visual uh agnostic and and an urge to explore objects with the mouth. Whoa. Okay, all right, placid. Spell it like a placid penis. P-L-A-C-I-D-I-T-Y. Did I spell it right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, state of calmness, tranquility, and serene. Well, y'all are describing me a lot now. Just have a picture of Tony on the side.
SPEAKER_05Did you fall on your head?
SPEAKER_03You know, my mom said I used to bang my head on a concrete floor when I was a little dude. Oh, all right. Or I would hold my head on the washing machine while it was fucking doing the spin cycle thing. So it's it's very possible.
SPEAKER_01Well, my mom buys like uh vitamins from this doctor, his name is Dr. Eamon. Have you ever heard of him? No, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So he's like something like, yeah, is it out in the back of a car?
SPEAKER_01No, no, no, no. He's like like uh like those TV doctors in that back alley of Yeah, and he came out with a book where he talks about um I guess this is what he's talking about, but in there he's he puts it in like like you know, terms that everyone can kind of and so my mom always tells us because I'm all I'm all airing my mom's um before we got the podcast. But like my mom's younger brother has you know some mental health issues and issues with like you know just stuff stuff. And my mom always says, she's like, My mom always said that that you know uh that he was dropped on his head. And I think that you know what Dr. She always says, Dr. Eyman. She's like, Dr. Eyman says that if you have like something traumatic, like some kind of head trauma, that it could trigger like mental health issues later on in the world.
SPEAKER_03I wonder if that's something you can test for.
SPEAKER_01I'm pretty sure. Probably after you're dead.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'm gonna email my neurologist right now.
SPEAKER_00You could give your brain to science. I want to I want to go back. I want to go back to head injury, but I also want to go back to the beginning of the podcast when we're talking about Tony having a last name. I think we want to come across one that we have for him. Tony. Tony Kluber. Tony. I like that.
SPEAKER_03It has a good ring to it, actually.
SPEAKER_00I think it does. T K.
SPEAKER_03My my my uh gaming name is E Rick. So E-Rick. Yeah, it's E and then it's W-R-E-K-T.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I like that line. It's good. No, but going back to the head injury, one a couple of head injury. No, but the but there's certain things that they say that uh serial killers. See, this is honestly, I I could go on and on, but this is again such an area that is so many people cover, but it's such so fascinating. No, yeah. But they talk about like head injury, bed wetting, torturing animals, uh, interest in fire. And then I I don't know if we already said head injury. So yeah, head injury, yeah, wetting the bed. Huh? Yeah, no, but head injury, wetting the bed, uh and and and uh torturing animals. I think there's a fifth one. Isn't it like the hyper sex, like they're very sexual? I'm saying that those are like things that like if you have those traits as a young child that's the propensity to yeah, and I think also like a lot of them, it seems like their relationship with their mother, like the movie Psycho, right?
SPEAKER_04Like that's based on the Gean had a uh a weird relationship with his mother.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a that right there was a documentary movie on him recently in the Netflix one. It was I couldn't do it.
SPEAKER_01Sorry, I didn't want to say it was good, but it was good. It's it's Monster. So it's called Monster and the Ed Gean story.
SPEAKER_03It's it's on uh Netflix.
SPEAKER_04I think it's I think I think it's because the actor's just so like Yeah, it's just a little look it say what you will about Ed Gean, but the way I love that guy.
SPEAKER_00Do you think he killed his brother? Yes.
SPEAKER_04So the the sheer cinematic uh realism in that series, it it was it was really good. Like it was it was written well, uh it very over overly um they they took elements from his actual case and his real life, and of course they they blew it up for for uh you know for for TV.
SPEAKER_00Cinematic purposes.
SPEAKER_04Right. I liked it because they integrated reality and how how it how his case really impacted uh culture and and just not culture, but just like pop culture in general. Like uh uh Psycho. Psycho, um the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Uh there was also another film that it really impacted just his story. And I like I said, say what you will about Ed Ging, but that r it really changed a lot in in just horror in general and just like true crime.
SPEAKER_00And speaking of horror, I just want to bring to your attention, don't think that the clown situation doesn't make me think of John Wayne Gacy, because that it should.
SPEAKER_01That's why. Really? Kind of sad.
SPEAKER_04It's a it's a little bit of that, and most of them are sad. I like I like the little golfing.
SPEAKER_00The golfing one gets a pass because that's like Red Skelton, I feel like, right? But the other ones are very Ed G. I feel like this one is a lot.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and oh, did you see that?
SPEAKER_00Oh, I didn't see that one, no.
SPEAKER_04No.
SPEAKER_00That that guy's story.
SPEAKER_01Why why do you think as like a society, why do you think that we're so um like intrigued by this, by like murder and serial killers and like to hear about things they don't understand?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think that's one of the reasons why my prison jokes do so good, because people like to live vicariously. Yeah. Uh with serial killers, I I I personally don't want to live vicariously, but somebody might somebody might have a long list of people they want to kill.
SPEAKER_00I think also it's kind of like that mystery of like why. And and or like first it's like like with the Nancy uh Guthrie case, everybody's fascinated with it because it's like, how did this happen? Why did it happen? And then it's like once they find out who did it, then it's gonna be like, why is that person the way that they are? And it's like a you know, it's then it's the trial, and then it's the the drama of the trial, and you know, it's a perfect season just people love that kind of stuff, you know.
SPEAKER_04You know what really what I thought about um now that we were talking about your podcast and about how uh usual like crimes that are are financially uh uh driven crimes end up in in murder, and you guys uh research ones that don't end up like that. I recently watched a movie called Bernie. Oh, about Bernie Madoff with Jack Black, and oh my god, I had no clue that that was a true story.
SPEAKER_00Wait, that he was the Bernie Madoff story?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I didn't know that was real.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, that's real. And and you know what else about Jack Black? He has another movie that I don't know if it ever came out, and this is something I want to cover on our podcast and breaking news. Internet, internet He does one about a polka king that has a music? Uh-huh. It's mine, baby. Don't do it. But yeah, um, there's the polka king. He has a he has a financial crime too, and it is fascinating. I my understanding is that Jack Black plays him in a movie. Wow.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, this thing.
SPEAKER_00Maybe Jack Black has a fascinating show with financial crimes. No, have you seen it?
SPEAKER_04Do you know a little bit of uh Bernie Madoff? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, can you because I'm probably gonna put you in an episode?
SPEAKER_00I don't know. I think we talked about him in terms of the his he's the uh he stems from Ponzi.
SPEAKER_03That's right, that's right. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. But we haven't done a whole episode on it.
SPEAKER_00I don't believe so, no. But he basically he is a like he does the Ponzi scheme, the the standard Ponzi scheme, where he is getting financial you know investments from people and then giving them falsified sheets showing them that they're making all this money, but he's robbing Peter to pay Paul. And this is his this is the big move I think that a lot of our cases have. Basically, the person is like, you know what? I've I've got this investment, it's doing really well.
SPEAKER_04I don't, I don't so it went, it went that that deep.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I feel like okay, so maybe I need to look into it more because I just took the movie out of face value.
SPEAKER_03When there's money involved, bro, it gets crazy.
SPEAKER_00But he does that. This is where where he they're successful, in my opinion. It's like, I've got all these in you're my friend. I've got all these investment. I don't want you to invest because it He played me.
SPEAKER_04He played me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he it's he's like, he's like, you know, I don't, it's it's not for everybody, it's not for everybody. And then you start hitting me up because you're like, I want in, I want in. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I we're friends.
SPEAKER_04Wait, hold on. Are are we talking about the same thing?
SPEAKER_00Bernie Madoff.
SPEAKER_04Bernie made oh Bernie.
SPEAKER_00He was a financial wealth advisor, basically.
SPEAKER_04Okay, no, I we're talking about something totally different. I'm talking about the uh the funeral, uh, the assistant funeral director.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I don't know.
SPEAKER_04No? No, pull it up, Bernie, Jack Black. Yeah, so it was uh he was a assistant funeral director that moved to a small town in Texas.
SPEAKER_00Okay, no, no, I don't know this.
SPEAKER_04And uh he he ran a small funeral home for for the city, and he ended up doing a funeral for this uh for this woman that uh her husband just recently passed away, and she was probably like the wrist probably one of the richest women in uh Texas. And this is based on a true story, yeah, based on a true story. And he somehow she's she's a a royal bitch, uh-huh. But she they built some uh non uh like a platonic uh relationship uh throughout many months, and uh he's taking care of her, and she basically uses him as her little bitch uh to do all these different things, and she's like super rich, right? And uh Bernie at some point he gets tired of it and takes a rifle and shoots her like four times in the back and stuffs her body in her uh uh garage freezer.
SPEAKER_03But he was a funeral director, you said, right? Right. So I assume he has access to caskets and a fucking crematorium? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00What was he thinking?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he he for him, and during the trial, you even said he was like, Oh, well, I'm a funeral director and I want to preserve the body, blah blah blah. So he he stuck her in the refrigerator, and I think for like six to nine months he goes about like uh that she because he handled like all her financial stuff.
SPEAKER_00I kind of think maybe now that you're saying I kind of vaguely remember it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Maybe, maybe.
SPEAKER_04Maybe there's like a video, a clip or something. It is crazy. It's a pretty when did you see this? I watched it when I was like on that movie. Oh, when I wasn't thinking like a yeah, five movies per day thing.
SPEAKER_02Sorry, what were you gonna ask?
SPEAKER_03What do you imagine is going through a person's mind after they stuff a body in a freezer for nine months? Yeah, like for a day or two, it's still bad, but like for nine months, like what is going through your fucking head for that nine months?
SPEAKER_04And and to him, to him, like through and uh like I said, just it this is all movie, right? It's based on movie. I don't I don't know how much of it was uh used for. Exactly. I it it was just it's just a weird, weird thing because they portrayed him as like such and then they had these uh actual characters that really knew him saying like he was just the nicest painted him out to be a victim, pretty much, right? Because the the the woman was just like I said, she was like probably one of the worst, yeah. Really, really so it was just like this weird case of of yeah, she deserved it, but does he like does this did she deserve that and there's like everybody justify the crime kind of thing? Exactly. So everybody was was kind of shocked that that he was found guilty uh of of this. They give him life, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Texas well, you're talking about a freezer. The so here's a mystery murder, it got solved, but it that always is burned on my brain. And I it was like 1992, uh around that time, and there was a girl that had gone missing. She would had gone to a concert, dropped her friend off, and this is in uh Orange County, uh Newport Beach area, and the parents find her car or that they find her car on the freeway, but she's gone and she's just missing. And they have a big poster on the freeway, like where is Denise? And years go by. And then that was like I said, in Southern California. So in Arizona, I think maybe Scottsdale, I or uh Phoenix area, and this neighbor noticed a U-Haul truck or such like a box truck out in front of their neighbor's house. And they were just like, something just seems weird because there was an electrical cord going into that box truck. And the neighbor just thought it was weird, just like kept thinking it was weird. Finally reported it and was like, This doesn't seem right, like that something seems off. And when they went in, there was a there was a freezer in there, and there was a body, and it was the girl Denise. He had abducted her and taken her and put her in a freezer, and she was they had to thaw her out for like days before they could even do fingerprints.
SPEAKER_06Oh, it's like shit.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was awful. Like, and they think that he had pretended to be a police officer. Oh, like pulled her over. Yeah, or or maybe she had a flat tire and he was gonna help her out, kind of thing. And this is before cell phones. So, yeah. I mean it's and then like that's one of those things where it's like, you know, as a lady driving in a car, you think about those things, you know, like, oh, is this a real police officer pulling me over? Did I really commit a crime?
SPEAKER_01I think I think that people that commit crimes, especially like murders, again, going back to like the brain thing, like they they lack empathy. There's something in their brain that doesn't develop. And the only reason I I'll tell you this is because someone close to me um got a stroke, right? And they were they're really young, I mean like my age, got a stroke and had to go through like rehabilitation. And one of the things that they realized, and it was it was temporary, um, because they they did like studies after, but they realized that there was um something in like her frontal frontal lobe um that was like not like sparking, like it wasn't working. So what they would do was they would show her literal like pictures and be like, what does this make you feel? And it was like a child putting their hand over like fire, like things like that, and she was like, nothing. And I remember her like telling me, and I was like, Whoa, and she's like, I know. She's like, So they're they're trying to like like see, you know, if the stroke is what caused it and is it permanent and things like that. So she had to go through like a lot, a lot of therapy, and finally it like clicked again, clicked again, and I was like, Whoa, like like that's crazy. And she's like, I know. She's like, I literally would look at these pictures, she's like, and I wouldn't even like cringe, I wouldn't like, and she said they were pretty like graphic, graphic, but they did that to see where her brain was.
SPEAKER_04And I feel like like maybe like this guy, like, yeah, okay, people liked him or whatever, but you have to lack some kind of empathy at some point to be able to I no, I I think I I disagree a little bit because I think that there there is a a right, there is a thing uh called uh like a crime of passion. Yes, right, which I'm and maybe I'm taking it a little too literal. Like it it is it something that just happens like in the moment? Heat of the moment, right? Heat of the moment, and I think that's what happened with this guy. He was like there's I there has to be a point where this woman was treating him so poorly. So poorly at a certain point where he just broke, grabbed a gun, and because I I don't know how true it is, but they depicted it to where he after like he shot her, like he felt like so regretful for what he did in that exact moment.
SPEAKER_03According to the movie, uh, did he like pull up with intention to kill her or like they were having whatever's going on?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but they were having an argument. So she had him buy a gun uh to shoot like some like small animals that were like fucking up her garden. And uh so the way it happened was they were having this argument about something, and then she's walking away from him, the gun's right there, he grabs the gun and shoots her in the back four times. I would a hundred percent argue crime of passion right there. But but the thing is where he jacked up was nine months putting her in a freezer, and I think that's that's where that's where he kind of messed up.
SPEAKER_03Like called the cops. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01Right. If there was some empathy and some remorse, I'd be like, oh my god, what did I just do? Let me call the ambulance, and you know, even if you don't go to jail and things like that, like like you know, I freezer pride fucked up. Like even today, I seen a video that's going around right now of this girl. I think they were in Florida, and I think in Florida they're able to like carry. So she they're fighting over like a parking, like a parking spot.
SPEAKER_04The way you said it, you're like this carry carrying.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so so she's something's happening with the parking lot at like a Target or Walmart. I think it was. He had me at Florida, yeah. Yeah, and so then this man gets off his car and the girl's like parked in there, and the man's like coming at her, and she's just like, like, you could tell that she's moving back, and then he keeps like, Wow, and I can't hear audio, there's no audio, but you could just see. So then the girl goes into her car and she grabs her gun and she tells him, like, hey, like, leave me alone, or you know, it looks like she's telling him, like, leave me alone.
SPEAKER_03No, she should have.
SPEAKER_01And he starts moving back, and then she's like, Okay, and then she's trying to get to her car, and he kind of like like runs like towards her. And this whole scenario is just like him in trying to intimidate her and things like that. And at some point, she shoots. And and honestly, as a woman, I'd be scared if somebody keeps trying to come at me and you're already probably multiple.
SPEAKER_03As a six foot, 260-pound food, I'm gonna shoot him too.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and and she shot him and he died, but she stayed, she still tried to like like compress, you know, like you know, and then she called the cops, and and you know, and it's kind of one of those things, like so. I think in instances like that, like, okay, it happened, the uh heat of the moment, whatever, but you're just like shit, like I fucked up, not stuff her in a freezer and wait nine months to get caught.
SPEAKER_00If I if I can make one amendment in that situation, maybe call your lawyer. Get a lawyer, and then you know what I mean, before you talk to the coach. And what all you know that they're dead, if you know that they're dead, if they're not dead, go 911, then you're caught, then your attorney. But I'm saying if you're if they're dead, dead, maybe you call your your attorney.
SPEAKER_04What also didn't help his situation was he was made like power of attorney for all her so he had financial gain, exactly motive, yeah. Yeah, so all just all that did not look good.
SPEAKER_00Right. No, that's a hundred percent a lot of you know why the motive is what I feel like not that it's supposed to be the reason that you get convicted, but I feel like the motive helps convict people.
SPEAKER_04It's a really good movie. Yeah, it's it's it's a really good movie. It's called Bernie. Yeah, it's called Bernie. Yeah, you see it right there. What's it on? Uh where did I watch it? I think I watched it on uh Amazon, Amazon Prime.
unknownI'm gonna look right now.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it it's I had no clue it was uh a true story uh until the the end. You know how they have movies that they make it seem like a uh documentary. It's like documentary style plus s cinema. It's uh it's really good. But see, that's the thing.
SPEAKER_00You have to take into cons you have to take into consideration too, though, is like who's creating the movie, what their point of view is, what they're trying to say. Because um, making a murderer, my understanding is that like as you watch it and you're like, wow, it looks really like you know, Stephen Avery, maybe he didn't do it. But apparently, I don't know for a fact, but I my understanding is there's a lot of evidence that wasn't included in the documentary that was very damning towards him. But the people that were making the documentary, it's my understanding allegedly that they had a point of view that they wanted to convey that he was targeted.
SPEAKER_04And who are we talking about now?
SPEAKER_00Uh so during the pandemic, there was a sh there was uh a docuseries called Making a Murderer, and so a guy named Stephen Avery, and um there was a girl that went missing, and he she showed up on his um like basically family area of like land in a burn pit, and they were like, he did it, but then when they interviewed his nephew, his nephew had like I wouldn't say it was like non-verbal, but he has a level of I would I would I think maybe Osper or maybe autism something and he didn't have representation and so then he you know maybe said things that were taken out of context, maybe not, and so the whole I think the point of view of the documentarians was that like this person was tar Stephen Avery was targeted and that the um that the nephew wasn't properly represented. I think that was the point of view. But my understanding, like because Stephen Avery had other issues with the city and had been, I believe, in jail before, and I don't know. He he invited this girl over to take a look at I think this has been a long time since I've seen it, but my understanding is like he invited this girl over that was like basically like a photographer for like Penny Saver or like something along those lines, you know, and he was saying, like, I have a truck to sale, and she comes over, and when she came over, he was in a towel.
SPEAKER_05Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00I mean, that seems odd, you know what I mean? And then um, the next thing you know is like they she goes missing and um they do a search of his property where he lived and they found her bones in a burn pit.
SPEAKER_04Wow.
SPEAKER_00Jeez, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Well, speaking of of burn pits? Who yes, burn pits and and and producing uh, I guess, documentaries with uh I guess intent and uh showing a narrative that that's not there or pushing a narrative that that's uh uh different from I guess the public narrative is that that uh documentary of of Yolanda Saldivar. And the they that the family actually did her family did a documentary from her point of view, and there was just a l there was like a few uh accusations in there that were kind of like, whoa, okay. I don't know that could be a reach. Like one of them was that uh Selena and Yolanda like were lovers.
SPEAKER_00No, no way. Yeah. I heard that Selena actually had a boyfriend in Mexico, I think it was Mexico, that was like a high-end plastic surgeon. Yeah, that she and Chris were like on the outs, and that she had a boyfriend that she was seeing. I never heard that she was a lovely.
SPEAKER_01That story is comes from her from Yolanda's family. The what the one about the doctor, uh-huh. Yeah, that she was having an affair with the married plastic surgeon and like all these things. Yeah, so that those are some of the things that they talk about. Yeah. So, like Gilbert says, like that documentary is is kind of they it was made to supposedly say her story of dirty up Selena a little bit.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, just a little bit. Uh what can we look it up? Because I can't remember what that one. All these to my watch list there. Dude, that one was I was like, there's just no way. I don't know. This is you you never know.
SPEAKER_00You never know, but I feel like Selena could have pulled a lot more talent than Yolanda.
SPEAKER_01No offense, Yolanda, but yeah, like why would she she would not if she was trying to be with women? I don't think it'd be Yolanda.
SPEAKER_04No, yeah. Well, I don't know. You see some of these, uh some of these studs, some of these uh butch lesbians pull some uh lipstick with. I don't even say that Yolanda was a butcher.
SPEAKER_00But Yolanda was not any of that. I don't think she had I don't think she had any of that now.
SPEAKER_01It's called Selena and Yolanda, The Secrets Between Them.
SPEAKER_04Oh, they even uh implied it in the the title of the documentary.
SPEAKER_00Well, they there's a Whitney Houston documentary that heavily suggests that she was lesbian. Really? Yeah, she had a longtime friend. I think the friend's name is Robin.
SPEAKER_01Have you seen the Michael Jackson one they just made? I have not.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah. Is it a thriller? That one is crazy.
SPEAKER_01It's kind of hard to it just depends on where your your sense is.
SPEAKER_04If you're a Michael fan, and I think just this movie, this documentary coming out in the height of Yeah, they did on purpose. The movie of Michael is just that's oh the documentary.
SPEAKER_00Yes, ballsy. Okay, so you what you saw the documentary, or are you talking about the movie?
SPEAKER_01No, I I watched the movie twice. And then they did I watched it twice, and then they came out with a documentary uh maybe like a month ago, maybe two months. Okay.
SPEAKER_04So very, very close release between each other.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and it's it's like all the other people against him type of thing.
SPEAKER_00See, I it's one of those things where like I let's argue for argument's sake that he did do the things that he's alleged to have done. Okay. I am this a hot take, it's controversial, but I am willing to overlook because his music I just the music is just like oh you're so good. I don't know. Like, I'm not R. Kelly, I can say never again. I'll never listen to his music again. But Michael Jackson, like the thriller album for me is just like it's so good. Sorry. It's so good. No, you don't think thriller was good? He can't overlook uh if he did do it. So you so you don't like if thriller comes on the radio, you're out. You turn the channel. Do you think he did it? Are you non-verbal right now? What's going on?
SPEAKER_03My flabbers are fucking gasted. That is that's not even a hot take. That's fucking boiling.
SPEAKER_02Do you think he did it? Or is this one of those things you didn't want to answer? Maybe it should have been at the beginning. What do you want to talk about?
SPEAKER_03We don't want to discuss Michael Jackson. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03No, no one knows. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's what I'm saying. No one knows. So like I choose to appreciate and and I I I tried to think maybe maybe this music was created before the bad acts. Therefore, it's out of the outside the statute of limitations.
SPEAKER_04I'm I'm a very go ahead.
SPEAKER_01I I was just gonna say, I'm a Michael Jackson fan, and I and I I really do genuinely like him. But again, if I were like if if it's true and there would be something concrete, because I think right now it's just like a lot of back and forth.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, speculation, hearsay, there's not really concrete evidence.
SPEAKER_01Then I don't think that I can look past that. And it's not to say that, you know, but but I'm I'm a big fan. I do, I love his music. I watched his yeah twice, but I I would be like, okay, like he fucked up and that's yeah, bad.
SPEAKER_04But there is there is one one okay, sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER_01But right now I'm like in limbo, you know, like I like him so much that I want to believe that he didn't do that, but then I also don't want to be naive and also think like, well, because I think it is kind of odd. Like, why was there children sleeping in your bed, right? But then the part of me is like, Well, you know, he had a lot of internalized trauma, and then he needed to be a child. Yeah, he wanted to, so then I see it in the innocent sense, right? Or I want to see it in that innocence of like, well, maybe he wasn't, like, maybe he didn't even think about that. But then I also think, like, well, the kid's parents openly and knew that these kids were sleeping in his bed. So as a parent, like, I would never let my child sleep in a man's bed, but maybe that nothing was happening, and and that's why everyone was okay with it. Like, I don't know, it's just like Well, you know who Natalie Wood is.
SPEAKER_00Right. Yeah. Right. So there's allegations that the older Douglas, my um Michael Douglas's father raped Natalie Wood. Natalie Wood. That's an accusation, okay. On a boat, right? No, no, no. That's her husband killed like allegedly. Oh, that killed him.
SPEAKER_04But but Oh, wait, okay, okay. So who's Natalie? All right, I'm I'm in. All right. You said rape.
SPEAKER_03Tell me more.
SPEAKER_00Natalie Wood. Natalie Wood is a gorgeous child actor that actually became an a full fledged fledged adult actress.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_00And she was in a movie called Gypsy. It's a girl, it's a it's a uh musical. She was in music, she was in that. She was in Miracle on 34th Street, she was a little kid in that. She's Maria, which, you know, she'd be questionable. Questionable. She's Russian, so she's not Puerto Rican, but you know, this is this is you know, a long time ago. But anyways, oh, there she is. She's gorgeous.
SPEAKER_04Okay. Fantastic. Natalie Wood.
SPEAKER_00Natalie Wood.
SPEAKER_04And her parents are who now?
SPEAKER_00Nobody's like they're they're like just regular parents. She's not anything about that. Okay. But but when she's an a child actress, she gets invited to talk to, I think, um Michael Douglas's father. So I think it's Kurt Douglas.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_00She's like 13 at the time, and she goes to the hotel, and she's already a star. Like, she's not like a nobody, but she got invited to allegedly got invited to his hotel room and allegedly he raped her. And her mother like drove her there. And it's like, so what am I pointing is like there are parents that are like, there's a price to fame, there's a price to these things, and like, baby girl, you're gonna have to pay that price. So I mean, I'm just saying, you as a parent, maybe you're you have standards that are different, and that's great, but there are parents out there that don't that aren't like that, you know. So like all the the girls that at our Kelly's house, right?
SPEAKER_01Their parents would let them say their too. Like, yeah, it's it's kind of crazy.
SPEAKER_00I know, but so so I'm all I'm saying is like with with Michael Jackson too, he he's dead. So like I feel like his estate, he's not benefiting from the financial. It's it's his children are, you know, and they didn't participate in any of that. I don't know. I just it's hard, it would be very hard for me because I we don't know, we don't know, right? It's not definitive. And because we don't know, I am okay with still listening to his music because it's not like definitive, right? That's I think that's right.
SPEAKER_03But what what we were saying was like, let's say concrete evidence comes out, then what are you gonna do?
SPEAKER_00That's so hard. I mean, I mean, honestly, I don't know. You're you're like what album?
SPEAKER_04What album can I throw out? All I'm saying is I get a pre or post- I get a pass, I get a pass in October thriller.
SPEAKER_00Okay, that's my pass. I get a pass.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's it's it's hot.
SPEAKER_00That's a jam, dude. I know that's like my one of my favorites. I love Michael Johnson so good. And I want to believe that he didn't, you know. Now, what about P. Diddy, though? So now we have to cut out all of no big big diddy.
SPEAKER_05But just a few.
SPEAKER_00Biggie smalls, do we cut Biggie Smalls out? Like, because he produced Biggie Smalls, right? So, like, do we cut Biggie Smalls out?
SPEAKER_04No, I I don't think you because it that that's not even in the same ballpark. That's not the same sport, JJ. I mean, he just he just produced his music. He didn't it it's not I I think can we separate the art from the actual person and what they do?
SPEAKER_00That I think that it it comes down to But you being a movie, but you being a movie person, all the Harvey Weinstein produced movies. Like you know that he did some burn things to make sure that those movies went forward, you know what I mean? That's a hard thing.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. It it comes down to can are can you separate the art from from the actual person?
SPEAKER_03I don't think so. Because your art is supposed to be a depiction of you. Right. So I don't think so.
SPEAKER_01And then you start like really thinking about like, oh shit, like what was going on when they made this? Like, kind of like that case that happened um, I think like this yearslash last year with that guy, um what's his name? That they found the little girl in his in his Tesla. Um David David. And they were saying, like, yeah, they were saying how in one of his performances he did like um like a casket, like a memorial. And they were talking about how they did like a memorial. Like he like on stage did a memorial.
SPEAKER_00I think a lot of his music was about killing her or killing someone because he even had one with like bloody handprints or something.
SPEAKER_01So and then in one of his albums, he's wearing her Hello Kitty sweater that she would wear.
SPEAKER_00Well, she's she was underage, too. Yeah, she was like, so so I think part of it might have been that he was probably having other girlfriends and she probably was gonna call his card, and then he was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, and he knew if she if she called his card, he's out because she's underage. Yeah, you know, so he probably thought, Oh, I'll just kill her.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that that whole case is messy. But what I'm saying is like his music, right? Like now, now it's starting to show. Like he did a lot of the songs while she was dead, or you know, or thinking of killing her and all that, and now we see it like like you said, like an it's a reflection of who they are.
SPEAKER_00Like that's I'm not familiar with his music, so um, you know, I don't know. We know. Yeah, it's it's probably not for me. So I don't I don't have to make the that tough call.
SPEAKER_04So I I like listening to all not listening to all those, but I like seeing those like um like songs or or or movies that that you're or commercials or whatever pieces of of art, let's say, that was made uh that was made before like what we know about the person. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00Well, it's like Elvis for me too. I mean Elvis was a groomer, like Priscilla was a very good one. Legit, legitly he was, yeah. I love Elvis. I don't know, it's hard, like it's so hard, and it was a different time.
SPEAKER_03It's genetic, you can't help it. That's true. It's your predisposition to like Elvis, you're white.
SPEAKER_05Oh.
SPEAKER_03For the record, Elvis's music is ass, by the way. You think so? Oh my god, not trash, it's absolute fucking garbage. What year? Yes.
SPEAKER_00All of the I love Elvis. Really? I love Elvis.
SPEAKER_03I like Elvis. Absolute garbage.
SPEAKER_00I mean, there we can't go on together. We're suspicious.
SPEAKER_01I mean, at this point, who what famous person is not fucking garbage?
SPEAKER_04Like, well, we were talking about garbage, but like has compromised. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I think that people like even like like P. Diddy and them, like, I think they get to a point where this fame is like they've already reached like this pinnacle of how famous you can be and how many people, like attention-wise, right? Or even money-wise, and then they start searching for things that are unattainable, unattainable, and things that are gonna give them that serotonin boost that you know, and and that's why they start doing all this weird shit or doing things that they know they're not supposed to, because it's probably giving them a rush, and it's like they have to each time keep heightening it, like like it needs to get higher and higher because they've already reached this point of like because people that like average people, we think like, Oh, I would love to be rich, like I would be so happy if I was rich, and then you get there and then you're like, Well, what's next?
SPEAKER_00But I think it's been going on forever. Like my dad and I were talking about hold your horses, Jerry, Jerry Lee Lewis, okay, oh yeah, married his cousin, right? Married his 13-year-old cousin, and so he was literally gonna be. My dad was we were talking about this. He's like, he was literally being slated to be like the next Elvis. And he everybody in England loves him. He goes to go to England, and one of the reporters was like, Who's that girl part of his entourage? And then they figure out it's his cousin who's 13 and he married. Now they're like from Mississippi or something originally.
SPEAKER_03Oh, so they allowed it.
SPEAKER_00Most likely. But but but that undid him because suspicious here. Well, because they were like, Whoa, like England's like, we're not that's not cool. Like, you know, we're not gonna think she has to be 14. No, I'm just gonna go. But but like, but that was like his undoing, basically. But if you think about it, like Elvis did a weird game where he found Priscilla at like what 13, 14, but like held her off until she was 18. But he was like still dating her pretty much. What do you mean?
SPEAKER_03Like marrying a 13-year-old or grooming one until she's 18.
SPEAKER_00I think they're both bad. I think it's both bad. I mean, it's I think it's worse that he married her because he was obviously having sex with her. I don't think he was having sex. I don't think Elvis was having sex with Priscilla.
SPEAKER_03I think it's equally fucked up.
SPEAKER_00Well, I just I said that, but then you said I had to choose, so nothing. No, no, no. That's what I was saying. Scales of Justice over here.
SPEAKER_03Get her coffee first, bro. She gets so sassy.
SPEAKER_00I am always sassy.
SPEAKER_03That's true. I'll give you that.
SPEAKER_00Anyways, yeah. So no, it's hard because there's so you know, like you said, divorcing the from the the bad act. I and I I di I disagree with you. I think Elvis' music is so I like it.
SPEAKER_03We've been over those. I know.
SPEAKER_00Do you like Elvis' music? I like Elvis' music.
SPEAKER_04Not all of it, right? Not all of it.
SPEAKER_00What what what ones don't you like? Well, hold on.
SPEAKER_03We had this conversation, huh? You're gonna be Elvis.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I liked yeah. I I liked his early stuff. Do I think he's the king of rock and roll? I don't.
SPEAKER_00Um who do you think is the king of rock and roll?
SPEAKER_04I don't know, it's hard. I don't think you can pinpoint one person.
SPEAKER_00Do you think Michael Jackson is the Prince of Pop though?
SPEAKER_04I don't think so. I think he was very influential in in the time of different decades of music. But do I think he's one person that can say we we can say that yeah, he was a um a pivotal, you know, pivotal person in in music.
SPEAKER_00Speaking of a pivotal person in music, um I have a red eye I have to catch tonight because I'm invited to uh someone's wedding tomorrow in New York. Oh Taylor Swift, it's a joke.
SPEAKER_02Oh I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Have you heard the conspiracy theory that like the weekend is just making unreleased Michael Jackson songs? What? And now wait, what now that you've heard this, uh huh? Go back and listen to the weekend. Go listen to uh Oh wait, we just changed gears here.
SPEAKER_00So you're saying the weekend, like the artist the weekend. The artist the weekend. Wait, so we were talking about Taylor Swift marriage, and then we switched to the weekend.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I have ABD, it's fine.
SPEAKER_00Don't let him smoke weed before I podcast.
SPEAKER_03No, don't let me not smoke weed. Um go back and listen to a weekend album. Uh-huh. It doesn't matter which one, preferably either the one that just came out or the one right before that. I'm losing the names of them, but tell me you don't hear Michael Jackson. The weekend is like Michael Jackson if he popped a Molly.
SPEAKER_00I could see that. I definitely see that, yeah.
SPEAKER_03So what what's the conspiracy? That he's they gave him these unreleased Michael Jackson songs.
SPEAKER_05The catalog.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the catalog, and he's making the songs. Got it. Well, who's producing his music for him? That's a good question. If it's Quincy Jones, he's damned.
SPEAKER_00I thought maybe David Foster might have helped him on something maybe at one point. I maybe I'm wrong, because I think the Hadid sister was dating him. Maybe that's where I'm getting at.
SPEAKER_04If he's using a shore uh SMB 7 uh microphone, then it's one of these microphones that he he um he recorded with uh I think it was Thriller, Thriller album.
SPEAKER_00I have to say too, again, going back to Michael Jackson, one of the things that's so so cool is he um on the last album he has a he has a whole skit by Quincy Jones, actually now that I think about it.
SPEAKER_03It's called The Tale by Quincy. Wow. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's interesting.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I mean why not? Right? Yeah, I Michael was Michael was was was uh uh a crazy person right writing music. I'm pretty sure he had a whole catalog right before he died.
SPEAKER_00As long as the weekend doesn't do anything with children, then we're okay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, Quincy Jones was a profound musical mentor, idol, and inspiration to the weekend. The plot thickens.
SPEAKER_00But I don't think that Michael Jackson would sing a song about cocaine.
SPEAKER_03I mean I'm sure there are aspects to his artistry where he was like, listen, I have my own ideas. I have my own ideas, so I'm gonna do these, but I'll absolutely do these fucking Michael Jackson. Like, who would turn down that opportunity? Yeah. Especially if you have the skill set, and obviously he does. Who's gonna the money coming in from those songs? You know they're gonna be hits. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, you know, like there are songs that are written, like so there was a song Dirty that was written for Janet Jackson, and she's like, I don't want to do the song. So then Christina Aguilera texted.
SPEAKER_03I love that song with Red Man.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and then Christina and Christina Aguilera did it. So I mean, people write these music and they have someone in mind, and I could see them having Michael Jackson in mind, and then Michael's not here, so the weekend has a very similar bravado, so I could see that.
SPEAKER_04What was that one song that uh that was done by Pink that like catapulted her her career that was written by that that one chick with in the 90s that had dreadlocks? I'm trying to remember her name.
SPEAKER_00Oh uh Linda no wait, uh the girl from uh uh Four Non Blondes.
SPEAKER_04Was it? I don't know. It's one of those songs that have has recently gone viral on TikTok and they're like using it. Yeah. They're like using it for like every video right now. Is it just like a pill? I think that's their first hit. Is it four non Four Non Blondes, right? Yeah. You know what? Linda Perry. I said Linda Perry. Linda Perry, yeah. So she wrote uh can you look it up, Amber?
SPEAKER_00So is the pillows. Yes, yes, yeah. So it's that one.
SPEAKER_04It's so so it's like um Linda Perry uh writes uh Katie.
SPEAKER_00Did I cry? Oh my god, do I cry?
SPEAKER_04No, pink. I'm sorry. Yeah, Linda Perry writes uh pink song. Which one is it? Oh yeah, get the party started.
SPEAKER_00But that's not that's not the song that's getting the thing now.
SPEAKER_04No, no, no.
SPEAKER_00It's it's um it's like it's a song where uh is it Nicki Minaj that's like like so so it starts out like like a oh yeah, but those that that's like a mashup that people write on TikTok.
SPEAKER_01Right. That song is coming out.
SPEAKER_00He's saying that Linda Perry wrote Get the Party Started. She's written a lot of songs. She wrote She Help Write Beautiful with uh Christian Aguilar as well. Uh-huh. Yep. Oh, okay. Yeah, she's she oh, she actually wrote and I think helped produce Gwen Stefani's solo album.
SPEAKER_04Like now? No, no, no.
SPEAKER_00When she went solo, allegedly, I just saw this Linda Perry interview where she was like, um Gwen came in to record and was like like just nervous and just like I don't know what to do, you know, whatever. And and Linda's like, just go like whatever, and she left and she's like, like, what are you waiting for? And then she's like, and then she started writing it down. Like, what you waiting, what you waiting, what you waiting for. Like, so she wrote that whole song, and then when Gwen came in, it like inspired the whole rest of the album.
SPEAKER_03Artists write for other artists all the time.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, they need to do a uh a movie about Linda Perry.
SPEAKER_00So if you like music writing, so I just saw you know Ella Langley, like she's got that, she's a country singer, she just came out. I I know maybe you you probably haven't, even though you're from Virginia. It's um like uh I don't partake in country at all. I don't like I'm sure you've heard it though, because it's a very popular song right now. It's um like she's from Texas, sack and tail. By the way, he's to step around the room.
SPEAKER_03Anyway, they were talking a little catchy, I ain't gonna lie. I would have to look this up. So she so she so she's what is it? How do you spell it?
SPEAKER_00So as she's uh so so they're in a songwriting room, her Miranda Lambert, and a couple other people, and I guess Miranda was telling a story about how she had a kangaroo in her uh passenger seat and she got pulled over and she was in Oklahoma, and she's like, Oh yeah, and police officer was like, Oh, you have Texas plates. And then Ella heard that and she thought it was an interesting idea. She's like, Yeah, she's like, he's probably like she's from Texas, I can tell by the way. And then, like, it's just like and then that's how that stories came about, and they just were like, Oh my god, this is so good, and they just went with it. It's so crazy how like a couple different they hear they they hear a musical lyric as they hear a phrase, and then it just marries into a full song. It's amazing.
SPEAKER_04It it's similar to finding uh a joke, a joke. Yeah, that's how all my comedy works.
SPEAKER_03It's like musically write that down. Yeah, that's how I write that down. I used to write music actually. Oh, there you go. Uh and that's how a lot of my music started too.
SPEAKER_00I would say something or hear something and be like, when you say you hear something, do you mean like someone saying it or somebody in your own brain?
SPEAKER_03Well, at the time I was on like acid and mushrooms, oh there you go either or that table talking to me said something really funny.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, write that down. I gotta write that down. That wall screaming at me.
SPEAKER_00Tony O comes out with like a song called I Gotta Write That Down. All over the place.
SPEAKER_03I wrote a song on mushrooms when I was like 16 or 17. Do you ever record it anywhere? Well, when I woke up in the morning, it was a doodle of a house. I swear to God, this is a true story, dude. I was like, this shit is so fire, and I couldn't wait to read it in the morning, and it was a fucking doodle of a fucking house.
SPEAKER_00It'd been so awesome if you had a voice recorded too, you're like, That would have been great. And then you heard the next day, you're like, what is this?
SPEAKER_03I was 15 though. There was you you were hard pressed to have a voice recorder. They were expensive. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't like I could just bust out my phone. I didn't even have a cell phone yet. Well, I guess I did. But I was on mushrooms.
SPEAKER_04It's so hard when when you're on something like that and and to articulate just the easiest shit. You think so?
SPEAKER_03You can think about the absolute most complicated problems of life and even have a few epiphanies when you're on like mushrooms or acid. Right. When it comes to like I got high on mushrooms one time and I was playing a video game, and I I started knowing I was feeling the mushrooms because I just couldn't play the game anymore. Yeah. It was a driving game, it wasn't even complicated. I just let the fucking car hit the wall and busted out laughing.
SPEAKER_00It was actually his car. He wasn't playing a game.
SPEAKER_03I've only ever hit one thing in my life, okay? It was a mailbox and it wasn't his fault. I did not.
SPEAKER_00When you said I've only hit one thing and you said it's a male, I was like, whoa. I heard I've heard different from your prison time.
SPEAKER_04Oh my god. This has been so fun. It's been educational. Do the spanger. It's been hilarious. I had a great time. Thank you for that. We gotta get out of here before they lock us up. Yeah. Upstairs. I don't want to be locked up.
SPEAKER_02He's like, not again.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, no, never again.
SPEAKER_04Tonio, JJ, uh, tell us where we can find you. Uh tell us the podcast where we what you guys have coming up and all that good stuff.
SPEAKER_03Uh, so you can find the podcast at no one gets hurt pod on Instagram and YouTube, or you can find it on Spotify, Apple, uh, pretty much anywhere you can get a podcast. We're there. Uh, and then you can find me personally on Instagram at A That's Tonyo, A Y, that's Tonyo, all one word.
SPEAKER_00And I am J J O R G E N S O N N N. So J J Dorgensen and then and then Instagram. We have a show coming up together actually on July 14th. Oh, yeah, we do. GameStop in a GameStop.
SPEAKER_05GameStop still exists.
SPEAKER_04I'm like, hey, these comedy shows are locations are getting wild.
SPEAKER_00Game craft. Gamecraft.
SPEAKER_03It's called GameCraft. In Anaheim.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. So thank you so much. This was so much fun. Yeah? Yeah. You had fun? Yeah. You had fun.
SPEAKER_04Uh listen to the podcast. Listen up. And nobody gets hurt. Uh I'd love that podcast. Check out the podcast. Uh YouTube. Uh you said YouTube. Um, Apple Podcasts. All it all the good stuff. Um, yeah. Have fun. Yeah, it was great. Alright, thank you so much. Yeah, all the links uh to their stuff will be down in the show description. Uh follow uh the Mind Buzz on Instagram and hit the like and comment subscribe button. Uh do I have a couple things coming up? Um check out the YouTube channel. I got some sketches coming out that I'm uh super excited to share with everybody.
SPEAKER_03I saw that one preview, dude. It looks so yeah, yeah, it's fun.
SPEAKER_04Me and Ricky got some more sketches and cooking and we're writing, we're filming. Uh check that out.
SPEAKER_00Are you doing an open mics too here?
SPEAKER_04Yes! Uh July 15th, Poodle Laughs Comedy Mic is coming back to uh Mexican. Check it out, parameter micro. Peace and love! Thank you.
SPEAKER_00So